ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[Dubious]

Ok, whatever you say, my lord.

So you have not had university education? We learn this as basics of analysis, where you rule out things based on what is available...Since you claim your language is perfect and yet you are incapable of understanding a basic concept that has been repeated numerous times...this kind of leads to your lack of interest in the subject matter (of the other side of the coin)...You seem to have swallowed what the govt told you without thinking what it is doing in context and come to defend the govt blindly without questioning!

 

[beijingwalker]

So you have not had university education? We learn this as basics of analysis, where you rule out things based on what is available...Since you claim your language is perfect and yet you are incapable of understanding a basic concept that has been repeated numerous times...this kind of leads to your lack of interest in the subject matter (of the other side of the coin)...You seem to have swallowed what the govt told you without thinking what it is doing in context and come to defend the govt blindly without questioning!

Ok, whatever you say, my lord.

 

[Rasengan]

Again repeating things not in context isnt getting you any brownie points!

My point is about the concentration camp:

Now in view of the Chinese law where religious practice is not allowed in public buildings and concentration camp is a public building! And people are forced to LIVE in it...meaning they have to stay 24 hrs x whatever number of days, weeks, mths ....and THIS means no prayers for the whole period! They are not working there that they get 2 hr breaks...Their break from "learning skills" is still retiring in the building...where they live! It is not going back home to pray and then come back...So, their break time is spent in the building! Just listen to any of the videos, it will tell you exactly the same! What it doesnt tell you is that Muslims pray 5x a day! So if they are living in the building, their break is spent in the building, they are not allowed to pray nor read Quran while there! That could be weeks to months to years!

Why would I be interested in gaining brownie points? I have far more important things to do than pleasing the masses. Am I receiving any monetary gain in this exchange? No. I am just giving my opinion. You have a problem in accepting my answer @Dubious. I don't blame you, in trading terms, you are following the herd which relies on newspapers to purchase a stock, while I follow the smart money which is inside information (living previously in China).

In regards to the concentration camp. How did you come to the conclusion people aren't allowed to pray in these camps? The camp is a public building but its not an office environment. This law came into existence in response to the Govt's demand for greater productivity from its workforce and is held across State Owned Enterprises. These people (Uighur) aren't on the Govt payroll, therefore, such laws can't be imposed upon them.

So if you don't understand my English, how could you say what I meant is oppression, and count me as one of your claimed two Chinese posters, can anything be more funnier than that?

When he can't answer a question then he attacks your English. He kept mentioning your name stating how you apparently agreed with the notion people can't pray in public buildings. @Dubious I was the one who asked @beijingwalker to comment if this was true and now he has answered. I am going to take a leaf out of your book.
Who are you to deny when a Chinese member has spoken on this issue?

 

[Dubious]

Why would I be interested in gaining brownie points? I have far more important things to do than pleasing the masses. Am I receiving any monetary gain in this exchange? No. I am just giving my opinion. You have a problem in accepting my answer @Dubious. I don't blame you, in trading terms, you are following the herd which relies on newspapers to purchase a stock, while I follow the smart money which is inside information (living previously in China).

Kindly read my post again!

In regards to the concentration camp. How did you come to the conclusion people aren't allowed to pray in these camps?

I already broke it down for you...Being in UK, you should improve your English skills!

2 members from China (not including intentional media and other foreign members) have agreed that:

NO praying in public places or institutes
Concentration camp is a public institute

And when asked are these people allowed to pray...same members said no praying in public institutes...So according to Chinese records (you can find them on PDF) ...the Uyghur people are told to stay in these camps...So, kindly tell me how or where do they pray if their rooms (staying) is in the public building in the concentration camp?

This law came into existence in response to the Govt's demand for greater productivity from its workforce and is held across State Owned Enterprises. These people (Uighur) aren't on the Govt payroll, therefore, such laws can't be imposed upon them.

So you are telling me @beijingwalker was trolling me?

When he can't answer a question then he attacks your English.

Other assumption would be you are not reading my post and replying crap = trolling (check the meaning of the word)

Why wouldnt I question your English when both of you claim to have great English and can communicate effectively in it...and even when I BROKE DOWN the synopsis for you multiple times, instead of asking (if you didnt understand) BOTH of you replied (meaning you understood or assume so) and yet the reply is a repeated question of what I already answered in broken down scenario/ steps!

He kept mentioning your name stating how you apparently agreed with the notion people can't pray in public buildings. @Dubious I was the one who asked @beijingwalker to comment if this was true and now he has answered. I am going to take a leaf out of your book.
Who are you to deny when a Chinese member has spoken on this issue?

He didnt deny that you cant pray in public places
He didnt deny that concentration camps are public places
He also didnt deny that the people forced to live there cant pray coz it is a public building!

Now, you rejoicing kind of makes ANYONE question your command of the English language!

...So the book from my page favours me...

My post is still there and so are his posts where he did state so!

 

[Indos]

Kindly read my post again!


I already broke it down for you...Being in UK, you should improve your English skills!

2 members from China (not including intentional media and other foreign members) have agreed that:

NO praying in public places or institutes
Concentration camp is a public institute

And when asked are these people allowed to pray...same members said no praying in public institutes...So according to Chinese records (you can find them on PDF) ...the Uyghur people are told to stay in these camps...So, kindly tell me how or where do they pray if their rooms (staying) is in the public building in the concentration camp?


So you are telling me @beijingwalker was trolling me?


Other assumption would be you are not reading my post and replying crap = trolling (check the meaning of the word)

Why wouldnt I question your English when both of you claim to have great English and can communicate effectively in it...and even when I BROKE DOWN the synopsis for you multiple times, instead of asking (if you didnt understand) BOTH of you replied (meaning you understood or assume so) and yet the reply is a repeated question of what I already answered in broken down scenario/ steps!

Not only about praying, the Indonesian delegation is also concern about the food served on the camp.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

As for praying 5x a day, I have explained to you but you have chosen to ignore it. People can pray during the day on their two-hour break, and if their workload is too much then they can read Qaza. The same thing happens in the UK. You won't find a prayer room, in most corporate companies, the only way is to leave the office and find the nearest Mosque, and you can't do that if you have a deadline. You are bringing the conditions of a Muslim state into a non-Muslim state.

This is an untenable position.

Muslims are allowed to fight and remove anyone in power who violates their right to follow the obligatory actions of Islam.

It is one of the rare occasions where we can even disobey our parents, if they force us to stop prayers.

Muslim that doesn’t pray knowingly is no longer a Muslim.

Furthermore, Xinjiang is a Muslim majority region, so it should be treated as its own Muslim nation, and the people given free right to practice their religion.

 

[Rasengan]

Other assumption would be you are not reading my post and replying crap = trolling (check the meaning of the word)!

If you feel that way, then there's no point me discussing this topic with you. It's a waste of time. @beijingwalker I suggest you do the same. Goodbye @Dubious

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Not only about praying, the Indonesian delegation is also concern about the food served on the camp.

Appreciate the Indonesians for their help in allowing us to understand what is transpiring there.

Terima Kasih.

 

[Dubious]

Not only about praying, the Indonesian delegation is also concern about the food served on the camp.

Yet @Rasengan sees no harm nor oppression if one is forced not to pray 5x a day!
tell that to our @Rasengan

The food would be a far jump considering forbidding to pray (for a religion that asks 5x daily prayers) is not even counted as oppression in China

and dont forget
@beijingwalker who claimed that the foreign delegation approved of China's concentration camps!

If you feel that way, then there's no point me discussing this topic with you. It's a waste of time. @beijingwalker I suggest you do the same. Goodbye @Dubious

Good to know you have no answer for the truth!

This is an untenable position.

Muslims are allowed to fight and remove anyone in power who violates their right to follow the obligatory actions of Islam.

It is one of the rare occasions where we can even disobey our parents, if they force us to stop prayers.

Muslim that doesn’t pray knowingly is no longer a Muslim.

Furthermore, Xinjiang is a Muslim majority region, so it should be treated as its own Muslim nation, and the people given free right to practice their religion.

I dont think that guy is neither Pakistani nor Muslim ...he didnt even know the basics of 5x daily prayer and the sin of leaving them - Something even a Pakistani Hindu and Christian knows!!!

He thinks when you can go to the masjid you are praying! He used his other friends used to go...Not "we"

So analyzing his words and style of writing...I have my doubts but I cant care less!

The point is...he doesnt seem to understand that these Uyghur people are living in a public institution and thus are NOT ALLOWED to pray! The 2nd fundamental pillar of Islam! When you dont know the fundamentals and the other refuses to know them...what sort of discussion can you expect?

@OsmanAli98

By the way, what language is the title?

It is Bahasa Melayu!

 

[Yankee-stani]

Interesting the President of Turkey will be in Beijing I think some things will be clear with both Xi and Erdogan anyways it was the Turks who for a couple decades here and there bring the issue in Xinjiang out thats a good sigh I think its good after the G20 summit he will be there this could help the PRC pr in the region I personally dislike Erdogan and his policies but I think many Muslims do trust him a lot than the west like I said the Chinese bot posters here at least don't have control of the CPC like wise other members who are not members of the govt but just bark opinions

Yet @Rasengan sees no harm nor oppression if one is forced not to pray 5x a day!
tell that to our @Rasengan

The food would be a far jump considering forbidding to pray (for a religion that asks 5x daily prayers) is not even counted as oppression in China

and dont forget
@beijingwalker who claimed that the foreign delegation approved of China's concentration camps!


Good to know you have no answer for the truth!


I dont think that guy is neither Pakistani nor Muslim ...he didnt even know the basics of 5x daily prayer and the sin of leaving them - Something even a Pakistani Hindu and Christian knows!!!

He thinks when you can go to the masjid you are praying! He used his other friends used to go...Not "we"

So analyzing his words and style of writing...I have my doubts but I cant care less!

The point is...he doesnt seem to understand that these Uyghur people are living in a public institution and thus are NOT ALLOWED to pray! The 2nd fundamental pillar of Islam! When you dont know the fundamentals and the other refuses to know them...what sort of discussion can you expect?

@OsmanAli98

It is Bahasa Melayu!

How can you tell anyone for Pakistaniness if all members here are anonymous just like other nationalities here

This is an untenable position.

Muslims are allowed to fight and remove anyone in power who violates their right to follow the obligatory actions of Islam.

It is one of the rare occasions where we can even disobey our parents, if they force us to stop prayers.

Muslim that doesn’t pray knowingly is no longer a Muslim.

Furthermore, Xinjiang is a Muslim majority region, so it should be treated as its own Muslim nation, and the people given free right to practice their religion.

PRC lacks good amount of PR needs to improve on that front having diplomats visit from friendly countries is good but not enough needs to do more hence its good that Erdogan is in Beijing for that

 

[Indos]

Good to know you have no answer for the truth!


I dont think that guy is neither Pakistani nor Muslim ...he didnt even know the basics of 5x daily prayer and the sin of leaving them - Something even a Pakistani Hindu and Christian knows!!!

He thinks when you can go to the masjid you are praying! He used his other friends used to go...Not "we"

So analyzing his words and style of writing...I have my doubts but I cant care less!

The point is...he doesnt seem to understand that these Uyghur people are living in a public institution and thus are NOT ALLOWED to pray! The 2nd fundamental pillar of Islam! When you dont know the fundamentals and the other refuses to know them...what sort of discussion can you expect?

The fact that he hide his IP mean he may write in PDF from China.

 

[Yankee-stani]

The fact that he hide his IP mean he may write in PDF from China.

I could tell from their tone on writing tbh again I still think he is Pakistani from the way he writes

 

[Dubious]

How can you tell anyone for Pakistaniness if all members here are anonymous just like other nationalities here

We can check IP

The fact that he hide his IP mean he may write in PDF from China.

His IP shows UK...but that is his issue!

I could tell from their tone on writing tbh again I still think he is Pakistani from the way he writes

Yes his posts are questionable! Read my posts and read his conclusions....

 

[Indos]

Appreciate the Indonesians for their help in allowing us to understand what is transpiring there.

Terima Kasih.

No problem bro, there is also another fact being found from Chinese official that even university student cannot fast in Xin Jiang

"Zhao said, Xinjiang residents were free to fast during the month of Ramadan, and restrictions were only imposed on those who had official responsibility to ensure their religious practices did not interfere with their public duties.

"Restrictions only apply to members of the Communist Party, who are atheists; government officials, who must carry out their duties; and university students who are required to attend education and heavy learning assignments, "he said.

https://www.voaindonesia.com/a/dipl...san-pada-bulan-puasa-di-xinjiang/4921344.html

 

[Yankee-stani]

No problem bro, there is also another fact being found from Chinese official that even university student cannot fast in Xin Jiang

"Zhao said, Xinjiang residents were free to fast during the month of Ramadan, and restrictions were only imposed on those who had official responsibility to ensure their religious practices did not interfere with their public duties.

"Restrictions only apply to members of the Communist Party, who are atheists; government officials, who must carry out their duties; and students who are required to attend education and heavy learning assignments, "he said.

https://www.voaindonesia.com/a/dipl...san-pada-bulan-puasa-di-xinjiang/4921344.html

The VOA is US State Dept funded and BBG funded program for overseas broadcasting and for CPC members regardless of what religion the policy have been applied not on citizens but govt offocials however acoording to some sources I have seen is its not enforced or half assed enforced enforced that type of a thing @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Rasengan