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[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pan-Islamic-Pakistan I remember you said previously no Chinese member has the right to question a Pakistani poster on his loyalty to the country, doesn't that apply to us as well? What right does @Itachi have in calling @Brainsucker a Chinese bootlicker and an Indonesian false flagger?

Even if I disagree with him on this topic, he is still my compatriot. Pakistanis disagree with each each other on so much, it doesn’t mean he is a fake Pakistani or fake Muslim because we don’t see eye to eye.

I can still disagree and respect him.

 

[Rasengan]

Even if I disagree with him on this topic, he is still my compatriot. Pakistanis disagree with each each other on so much, it doesn’t mean he is a fake Pakistani or fake Muslim because we don’t see eye to eye.

I can still disagree and respect him.

I don't agree with calling anyone a fake Pakistani even a liberal beghairat. But what right does @Itachi have for calling @Brainsucker a Chinese bootlicker and a fake Indonesian? Is there one rule for Pakistani's and another rule for members from other countries. This makes our community look arrogant. The Mod has taken action, but you can now see why some people get triggered and call him a fake Pakistani even though he is just a deluded one.

 

[Itachi]

I can write whatever I like

Right, you do, I don't disagree with that. Freedom of Speech, I'm not a dictator after all. On the other hand, how many Uyghurs do you see on PDF?

Probably will get jailed or killed if they ever come onto PDF and expose all the lies.

hy do you have a terrible itch if I support the Chinese? You won't change my opinion on the Chinese people.

No itch, just amazement that you support mass murderers. They have, over thousands of years, killed plenty of their people to achieve things.

1) The Great Wall of China......thousands, if not millions died in it's constructions.

2) Civils Wars of China over the last 2-3000 years.

3) Recent rise of Communism and the revolutions following it....millions killed by Mao, before, during and after his reign.

4) Uyghurs killed, tortured and detained by the Chinese govt. for the past 100 years. Must be more than a million by now.

So, on top of all this, you support them over Uyghurs on this issue. I have no problem with the Chinese in general, it's just the Uyghur issue where I differ and many others too. You supporting the Chinese govt. on this issue is akin to the Muslim Ummah supporting India over us in regards to the Kashmir issue.

At the least, it comes as a backstabbing, at the most, it's hypocritical. Get it?

What right does @Itachi have in calling @Brainsucker a Chinese bootlicker and an Indonesian false flagger?

Cuz he acts like one, I don't. The Indonesian govt., like I have said before and like @Indos has said, already differs on the Uyghur issue with China.....so why does he still support the Chinese govt. over his Muslim brothers & sisters?

Then calling me "hostile"?? Like what!? You think this is hostility?

You call that hostile? Have you seen how Chinese members shamelessly attack here?

Have you read their off topic posts?

Right? No one sees that lol

Every single time...you catch them lying or spreading half-truths and they start going off-topic, attacking the origin/location country of the poster etc etc

Why foreign delegates on chinese paper is acceptable but same foreign delegates on Western paper is propaganda?

Right? The Chinese sources only talk about them visiting one such camp and doesn't even talk about their reactions....and all the videos posted here either don't look like Uyghurs (like why would they dance like Indians lol??) or seem very choreographed.

I can still disagree and respect him.

Right, I don't care if we disagree or agree, I respect all that deserve respect.

If you're choosing people with a known history of mass killings (read post #187; or this one) over your Muslims brothers and sisters then sorry to say, you get no respect from me.

 

[Itachi]

Oh, really, how strange, in your previous post you advocated "You can stop making the Chinese seem like holier than thou." The word stop is essentially telling me to do something else rather than speaking my own mind on the subject. I guess you champion freedom of speech in name rather than in actions The Uighurs have more productive things to do than waste time stroking your ego Oh, you are also a fortune teller, look @beijingwalker the Chinese have successfully sinicized @Itachi




What's the point in hiding around the bush, you do feel a terrible itch. Look at your blatant racism bringing in ancient history where all civilizations in one shape or form have committed crimes against innocent people. Do you know what makes me happy and laugh reading your posts. You can't do anything, in the grand scheme of things you are insignificant, so continue to cry for the terrorist Uighurs who demand independence from China. Chinese will come to Pakistan and they will enjoy our hospitality and vice versa while you can sulk in the corner.





I will be frank with you, I don't believe in the Ummah concept under the current geopolitical framework. None of the Muslim leaders are fit enough to lead such a coalition. Money talks and bullshit walks. None of the Arab countries support us with credible action. How do we know this? Look at there trade with India in comparison to Pakistan. Who is supplying oil to the Indians? Arabs. I suggest you play Ummah on Empire Total War But unlike you, I care about the national interests of Pakistan and that is aligned with China.




You have no right to judge him. He can have his own opinion. You sound like a control freak @Brainsucker can support the Chinese Govt and there's nothing you can do

Damn, you would like a 11 year old lol....not gonna answer all of this since it falls outside the topic we're discussing. If I reply, it would just be me bashing you and vice versa and thus end up us fighting each other rather than discussing the topic at hand. If you want me to reply, you can just quote me in the Pakistani corner.

But, what I am going to say is that I'm not going back on anything I have said so far. You're either not great at interpreting English or misunderstanding what I wrote.

I fully stand for freedom of speech. Your Chinese bros don't. You can see that by the bashing I got from this and other threads.

The worst Chinese posters of this forum got banned after they shit talked at me. You can see their replies to me in my post history.

Also, your Chinese bros don't stand for "Freedom of Speech" either....otherwise we would either have Uyghurs here on PDF or in the international media (more than right now) spreading the truth and exposing the half-truth/lies.

 

[Brainsucker]

You have no right to judge him. He can have his own opinion. You sound like a control freak @Brainsucker can support the Chinese Govt and there's nothing you can do

Thank you for defending me bro. But you don't have to go too far. What I want is only to building bridge between Pakistani and Chinese people in general. But I have to admit too that PRC Citizens are quite an alien to international political correctness. That's why they're rude, and racist. They exercise more freedom of speech than we are in this regard. Because their talk is not limited by political correctness that embrace by international people.

@beijingwalker, I think we have to admit it, that many of your comrades are rude and racists. You're not one of them of course. But their action make you looks bad too. I hope Chinese Posters can improve their English, and understand more about international political correctness, or else, your mission to make China looks good will backfire to you. Because, like it or not; you have to respect others before others can respect you. Well, @beijingwalker, you're in tough situation here

 

[Rasengan]

Damn, you would like a 11 year old lol....not gonna answer all of this since it falls outside the topic we're discussing. If I reply, it would just be me bashing you and vice versa and thus end up us fighting each other rather than discussing the topic at hand. If you want me to reply, you can just quote me in the Pakistani corner.

Your first sentence doesn't make sense. Why would I like an 11-year-old? What are you smoking Admit the truth, you have an issue with Han Chinese people? No one mentions ancient history unless they have a certain grudge against a community. So you are a racists

But, what I am going to say is that I'm not going back on anything I have said so far. You're either not great at interpreting English or misunderstanding what I wrote.

I fully stand for freedom of speech. Your Chinese bros don't. You can see that by the bashing I got from this and other threads.

The worst Chinese posters of this forum got banned after they shit talked at me. You can see their replies to me in my post history.

Also, your Chinese bros don't stand for "Freedom of Speech" either....otherwise we would either have Uyghurs here on PDF or in the international media (more than right now) spreading the truth and exposing the half-truth/lies.

Do you want me to give you a medal? I don't give a flying hoot that Chinese members were banned for shit talking They are mature enough to handle their own affairs and if they have breached the rules of the forum then they have to face the consequences. You have comprehension issues, go back and read my post carefully. Someone who promotes the idea of free speech wouldn't use the word "stop" and command them to change there opinion. I never said I was in favour of free speech. Personally, it needs to be curtailed in Pakistan. I don't need you to educate me on Chinese culture. I know free speech isn't accepted in China and I have no problem with that. You can't answer my question, because deep down @Itachi you realize Pakistan's relationship with China won't be affected by your opinion.

Thank you for defending me bro. But you don't have to go too far. What I want is only to building bridge between Pakistani and Chinese people in general. But I have to admit too that PRC Citizens are quite an alien to international political correctness. That's why they're rude, and racist. They exercise more freedom of speech than we are in this regard. Because their talk is not limited by political correctness that embrace by international people.

@beijingwalker, I think we have to admit it, that many of your comrades are rude and racists. You're not one of them of course. But their action make you looks bad too. I hope Chinese Posters can improve their English, and understand more about international political correctness, or else, your mission to make China looks good will backfire to you. Because, like it or not; you have to respect others before other can respect you.

He was rude to your brother and if we are going to have double standards in this forum then I'm going to flag it up and question Pakistani's. This is the problem with our country, talk so much nonsense but nothing productive is done. Pakistan has far more bigger issues to deal with and he wants us to police the world antagonising another big neighbour who happens to be our biggest ally. You can only build a bridge if you have some compromise, not dictating others on how to run there country.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I don't agree with calling anyone a fake Pakistani even a liberal beghairat. But what right does @Itachi have for calling @Brainsucker a Chinese bootlicker and a fake Indonesian? Is there one rule for Pakistani's and another rule for members from other countries. This makes our community look arrogant. The Mod has taken action, but you can now see why some people get triggered and call him a fake Pakistani even though he is just a deluded one.

Correct me if I am wrong @Brainsucker that you are a Chinese Non-Muslim person living in Indonesia, so he is being loyal to his people and country @Itachi

Anyway guys, let’s get back to the thread topic and stop personally insulting each other.

 

[beijingwalker]

No itch, just amazement that you support mass murderers. They have, over thousands of years, killed plenty of their people to achieve things.

1) The Great Wall of China......thousands, if not millions died in it's constructions.

2) Civils Wars of China over the last 2-3000 years.

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Wow,My.. I first thought you hate current communist government but it turns out you hate everything about China, even her whole history, culture and civilizaition..many often perished building pyrimads of Egypt, Persians, Romans , Alexandra the Great and Genghis Khan killed more people than past Chinese kings and emperors.

China has one fifth of the world humanity and our culture runs for thousands of years, so bad you can't wipe out our people and the culture you hate so much, there's nothing you can do about it, you must be a very unhppy person unable to do anything for the people and culture you hate so much. I pity you, live your whole life in hate.

@beijingwalker, I think we have to admit it, that many of your comrades are rude and racists. You're not one of them of course. But their action make you looks bad too. I hope Chinese Posters can improve their English, and understand more about international political correctness, or else, your mission to make China looks good will backfire to you. Because, like it or not; you have to respect others before others can respect you. Well, @beijingwalker, you're in tough situation here

I m here for fun, not with a mission or purpose, I just speak what's in my mind, do you really believe what we say here will change a bit of how our governments work or behave? I usually just post some videos and news about China, don't really care about other countries, unless there are some attacks on China, then I may join in and discuss, defending your country is a natural spontaneious thing to do.
Most Chinese posters won't attack a country or a poster if they are not being attacked first, can you say a domestic issue of Pakistan, India or any other coutries that Chinese posters always bring up and accuse? No country is perfect, but geneally Chinese tend to avoid confrontation, and most Chinese believe what happens in other countries are non of our business.

 

[beijingwalker]

Xinjiang concentration camp barbershop, where people are trained to be hairstylists and get a nice haircut.

 

[beijingwalker]

CPC young village cadres in Xinjiang bring dynamics to rural Xinjiang

Many young college graduates are now voluntarily go to rural regions to work as Chinese communist party's village level administrators, young people with high academic degress bring new ideas , innovation and dynamic vibes to rual regions.

Many of them joined the Chinese communist party when they were in college, there is a chance for them to move up the ladder, president Xi Jingping started his political career as a village cadre himself.

 

[Pangu]

Your post are going make many China haters blood boil bro. I like.

 

[Dubious]

There's nothing wrong. Why should a human being admit to a mistake if he hasn't committed a crime? The same analogy can be used on the Chinese Govt. Why should they admit to a mistake on religious oppression when it doesn't exist. It's an illusion created by vested interests to weaken China of which some Pakistani's have fallen for without ever visiting the country.

How is it an illusion when you have 2 Chinese members from China, who have admitted it and yet you are still in some form of denial? Just coz they havent called it a crime doesnt mean a crime wasnt committed!

The Chinese don't allow prayers in public places but that is for all religious and ethnic groups. Chinese New Year is an excellent example. They don't allow large groups of people to conduct the dragon dance but they can do it within the indoor area. I don't agree with this policy, it needs to change, but you are advocating this policy is made just for Muslim's.

I am not advocating that but the topic at hand was the Muslim issue coz unlike any other religion on the planet it is the Muslims who pray 5x a day! Now you being a Muslim (I had assumed) would have known that!

In China, if you want to become a member of the communist's party then you must have no religious affiliation. People are given a choice, whether they accept it is their business. Do I agree with this policy? No. Does that mean people who work for State Owned Enterprises can't pray? They can, as in most SOEs you have a two-hour break and my colleagues prayed at the Nandouya Mosque. The problem with most Pakistani's on this issue is they are looking at this problem from a distance. Whatever your opinion is on the subject at least visit the country before giving a verdict.

How is that a choice? To be a member you have to have no religious affiliation is a command/ order not a choice!

Your colleagues were not bound to an institution known as concentration camp...And prayed in a Mosque not in the concentration camp where they are FORCED to live and lose their 5x daily prayers! How is that any different than the Jews who were sent to concentration camp and asked not to do anything that the Nazi didnt want?

I have not given any verdict and I have no objections on the country! I have contributed and given many to Chinese related topics from movies, dramas, OST, festivals, Chinese New Year related stuff, food but this thing is wrong and a wrong shouldnt be blind sided just coz all other things are in place!

You need to read things in context. I have never said the Chinese Govt has never made a mistake, but I don't agree it's based upon religious oppression. When I was referring to issues being an internal matter of China I gave many examples of policies which you ignored. For example the housing problem, University exemptions, and language. On these issues, the Chinese Govt is accountable to no foreign Govt.

Why would I debate on issues that are not problematic to a people?! And why would I would I claim Chinese are accountable for these which are not an issue? - Your command of the English language is equal to that of a Chinese...

Obviously people only debate/ highlight/ object to "problems" not everything ...how come you arent reading in context and trying to wiggle to other topics?

I can tell you that China doesn't fail her people

Who are her people? the >90% Han?

we Chinese are the ones to judge if our government fails us or not, not foreigners, US accused us of being a failed state for 7 decades , China is not prefect but she is also not a failed state just because you and US say so.

>90% cant judge for another oppressed ones until they themselves are oppressed!

I didnt call you a failed state..See you jumping topics and bringing in irrelevant thoughts that your brain has accumulated - none of which I have even hinted on!

As for a stable border, Pakistan has no other borders that are more stable than the ones with China, so you don't have to worry.

I dont think you understand what stability means...We can already predict that this mistake China is making will blow up in our faces in 1 generation worth of time! But you are too narrow minded to think that far! Europe didnt think of it until it happened!

I have outlined quite extensively, how some accusations are simply false like Uighurs are forced to drink alcohol, forced to eat pork, are forbidden to wear religious caps under the age 40, forbidden to pray or keep fast during Ramadan. Repeating an accusation 100 times won't still make it true.

I didnt talk about these issues so clearly you are either avoiding or putting words in my texts just like beijingwalker!

 

[Dubious]

But I have to admit too that PRC Citizens are quite an alien to international political correctness. That's why they're rude, and racist.

And we have a winner!!

They exercise more freedom of speech than we are in this regard. Because their talk is not limited by political correctness that embrace by international people.

Yet when the tables are turned they become extremely abusive, derailing threads and crying foul? I think the word for that is hypocrites!

Do I represent any Chinese Posters? Or Do their actions represent me? You read my post. Do my posts looks hostile to Pakistan, or Islam? Why you generalize their actions with mine, while I don't generalize itachi's posts to any Pakistani one, even to you?

Itachi has an American view...

What generalization did I give? All I said is you pointed out Chinese DRUNKARDS come to ruin threads! And then deny they do such things...

I see Itachi call me False Flagger or Boot Licker.

These are proverbs...abusive? yes and I did reprimand him for it!

And he's quite hostile to China, including their territorial integrity. so what left that I should say in discussion with him, if there is nothing that can help with any positive result in the process? He has already has his mind and belief. He has already has tell us his intention and his view on China; so why should I bother?

To force feed a positive result is not called discussion! Discussion starts only when one accepts there is a mistake! With Chinese members NO ONE can discuss coz they never accept!

You can only discuss when the other is willing to listen and if the other is a patient of denial syndrome, what sort of discussion do you expect?

And discussions are initiatives...not force feedings! So, if someone isnt agreeing to you, your job is not to hammer them into acceptance but either counter their narrative or leave and put them in ignore list!

I have avoided the Chinese section since I joined in 2012!! 7 years of silence has resulted in Chinese members exploiting our hospitality!

I was quoting what US says since he used US official statement as an undisputable source, you can claim I also drag Saudi Arabia in.

Yes you did! And you cant deny it coz that is exactly what you did!

How @beijingwalker react to Itachi's post is up to him. I have sympathy to him, because he just wants to defend his country good name. Maybe his way of defending is not appropriate in your eyes. But that is outside my power to stop. He's represent his own, while I represent mine.

Yes it is inappropriate to lie or put words in another's writing (something beijingwalker does too often)!

BTW, @Rasengan why are you masking your IP? Defence.pk is neither blocked in UK nor in Pakistan....

If you think that China is an oppressive and evil regime, then my question is, why you even care to ally with them? There is no point to do so. Because they're evil, communist, and even Islam Oppressor. Why care about shouting the jargon "All Weather Friend", if you hate them? There is no need a bridge to connect two people, isn't it?

1) I never said they are evil - oppressive to a certain group - yes!

I never generalized so please dont put your words into mine!

As for "all weather friend" - these are politics...Everyone knows that even China knows it! We are its doorway to the West! So it is a 2 way benefits very little to do with accessing any humanity left in either!

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I'm here just to ask the questions that need to be asked and reveal the truth that should be....not spread half truths and lies.

You should be asking "where are the videos made by our fellow Muslim countries...whether they show good or bad...where are they...why am I watching a BBC video instead of 50 videos made by our media...why are they so silent if nothing is amiss.."

 

[beijingwalker]

Uighur college student : Speaking Turkic means Turks were our ancestors? That's adopting a gangster for a father.

维族小伙：说“突厥人是维吾尔族的祖先”，纯粹是认贼作父！
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