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[Rasengan]

Isnt that the same as some of our Quota systems?

And we have seen the damage it does so why did China not abolish it? Our govt has been corrupt doing more for themselves than the country what's China's excuse?

2ndly, the concentration camps are so called training the Uighur community!
3rdly, MOST of the objections are for these camps!
4thly, as per China's laws you cant pray in public places, these camps are public places and people are forced to live in them so as to "reprimand them"...so if they are living in one for say 1 yr...they are not allowed to pray, fast, read Quran and practice Islam for 1 yr!

THAT is typically called brainwashing! We pray 5x a day! Imagine not doing 5 x 365 prayers! And they justify this! If these are "training centers" why are the Uighur forced to LIVE in them? Training centers have timing unlike concentration camps which are to "make you change"!

Saddest thing is, even a small display of religion lands you in these camps and labels you as a terrorism being "reprimanded"!


This is what I had heard and seen but the PDF Chinese are not like Chinese at all...they are more like indians!

It is a quota system. You see in China the CPC did many laws which didn't sit well with the Han community. For example, Uighurs were allowed to have more than one child as with all minority groups, but the Han community was usually fined with a big monetary penalty. Competition in the education sector is massive in China due to the size and population of the country. But in applying for Universities Uighur students were given exemptions with fewer marks. There were two problems with this. 1) Han students weren't happy because they regarded this policy as unfair 2) Disregarding State Owned Enterprises, private sector employers regarded Uighur candidates as unskilled workers. Other such policies were social security benefits. I have no problem with this policy. Xinjiang compare to other Chinese provinces is backward, therefore, the Govt should support families especially from minority groups.

In my opinion, they should abolish this system, but communication between the central and provincial Govt is poor. One of the biggest issues between the Uighur community and the provincial Govt is housing. The Uighurs want to stay in their ancestral homes, but the Govt is forcing them out and giving them brand new accommodation. This policy was enacted due to the Sichuan earthquake. Those homes are centuries old, and they won't be able to withstand another powerful natural disaster.

The training camps are used to rehabilitate people who wanted independence from China. You have to remember 3 years ago there were 600 terrorist attacks in Xinjiang. Obviously, they wanted to find a solution to this problem. There is a big distinction between improving the livelihood of your community and seeking independence.

You can't pray in public places, but that doesn't mean you can't pray inside a building. I always find it amusing when I read comments complaining how China is forcing the Uighurs to drink. Its common knowledge in China that Uighurs can hold there liquor more than any other ethnic group. I have seen it with my own eyes. Unfortunately, this is Central Asian culture. Then western reporters claim Uighurs can't wear caps, but this was proven false, so they tweaked the accusation by claiming people under 40 can't wear it. Next came the issue of prayer. Twelve countries sent diplomats to these camps. One of them was Indonesia where the ulema gave their verdict of satisfaction this included Pakistan. Such stories have been going around for decades. Does that mean everything is wonderful? No.

Under Chairman Mao all religious groups were attacked because they remembered what the Taiping Rebellion did to the country leading to 100 years of shame from imperial powers. No one can deny this, and the Chinese amongst themselves admit this. But since Deng Xiaoping opened China to the world, the CPC has done many radical reforms of allowing religious freedom. Is everything perfect? No. But they will improve. The prosperity of Xinjiang is important for Pakistan, otherwise, CPEC won't function to its capacity.

 

[Dubious]

More Chinese were banned and you are in favor of their version of Xinjiang story, you can deny it and say you are never biased though.

The banning system is simple: 3 times warning and you get a ban!

Very rarely and only if one is trolling are 3 warnings given at once! I have very rarely given 3 warnings at once! You can ask the senior mods and admin to "review" these ....Just open a thread in GHQ! I have told you before but you cant seem to understand!

And as per forum rules, if you reply to a troll/ or resort in trolling also ...YOU will be warned! You can read the forum rules again! in the past Pakistani members were banned (3 warnings at once) for replying to trolls!

Chinese people are not supposed to expose their feelings but I guess they release all their frustrations that they have been holding back on PDF!

It is a quota system. You see in China the CPC did many laws which didn't sit well with the Han community. For example, Uighurs were allowed to have more than one child as with all minority groups, but the Han community was usually fined with a big monetary penalty.

When you are curbing your population growth and you have only less than 10% of minorities, why would you want to cut their birth rate?

Competition in the education sector is massive in China due to the size and population of the country. But in applying for Universities Uighur students were given exemptions with fewer marks. There were two problems with this. 1) Han students weren't happy because they regarded this policy as unfair 2) Disregarding State Owned Enterprises, private sector employers regarded Uighur candidates as unskilled workers. Other such policies were social security benefits. I have no problem with this policy. Xinjiang compare to other Chinese provinces is backward, therefore, the Govt should support families especially from minority groups.

You see when someone is "unhappy" and gets into a position...this is the start of oppression! Hitler was also "unhappy" with the Jewish population! See the similarities! If the state caused it, it should be responsible and the current oppression of the minority isnt helping!

In my opinion, they should abolish this system, but communication between the central and provincial Govt is poor. One of the biggest issues between the Uighur community and the provincial Govt is housing. The Uighurs want to stay in their ancestral homes, but the Govt is forcing them out and giving them brand new accommodation. This policy was enacted due to the Sichuan earthquake. Those homes are centuries old, and they won't be able to withstand another powerful natural disaster.

Forcing is never good! GOVT forcing is always mirrored as communism/ dictatorship/ oppression!

The training camps are used to rehabilitate people who wanted independence from China. You have to remember 3 years ago there were 600 terrorist attacks in Xinjiang. Obviously, they wanted to find a solution to this problem. There is a big distinction between improving the livelihood of your community and seeking independence.

According to the reports, it seems like you are a terrorist if you practice your religion in the open or in public places! Just read the reports it shows like that!

What is considered terrorist attacks? Refusal to abide to Han mentality? Refusal to move out of ancestral homes and having a strong opposition?

Xinjiang was seeking independence so the freedom fighters like Kashmir have been called terrorist?

You can't pray in public places, but that doesn't mean you can't pray inside a building.

the concentration camps are public institutions and thus you cant pray inside those buildings as well @beijingwalker himself admitted to this!

 

[Rasengan]

1. VERY quiet (unusual level)
2. low self esteem (esp when it comes to communicating in English - something similar to my Japanese colleagues)
3. never fight or argue...But they do get triggered when talking about Taiwan
4. Nice
5. Very Humble (Though Japanese are ahead in that field)
6. Kind
7. Friendly and willing to help
8. Curious and wanting to learn
9. Boasting about China

1) True. This action is common due to shyness. It took me weeks to get my best friends to initially open up to me and I was only successful because I spoke on Chinese history which they became impressed.
2) True. Most Chinese students can't communicate in English, they come to study abroad as a certificate for there parents and society. You have to remember these students are rich, they have businesses waiting for them at home. This doesn't mean all Chinese students have low esteem. My friend from Shanghai speaks superb English. China's top students in the current era, study in places like Tsinghua University, Peking University and Fudan University rather than going abroad. There's a big reason for this. Most Chinese students who take their education abroad struggle in Chinese writing when they return to China. They are out of practice so when it comes to civil service exams they fail in high numbers.
3) They do get triggered when Taiwan is mentioned.
4) I agree.
5) Depends on which region they come from.
6) I agree
7) I agree
8) True. Education, patience and continuing to learn plays a big part in their culture.
9) True. But some Pakistani's would do the same.

 

[beijingwalker]

You see when someone is "unhappy" and gets into a position...this is the start of oppression! Hitler was also "unhappy" with the Jewish population! See the similarities!

You keep comparing Xinjiang with Hitiler's Jewish genocide, that's really ridiculous, Xinjiang people live the best life they've never lived.

Xinjiang was seeking independence so the freedom fighters like Kashmir have been called terrorist?

If you say that we have no point for further discussion, don't forget you also have separatist problems in your own country.

Xinjiang was seeking independence so the freedom fighters like Kashmir have been called terrorist?

If I support Pakistani separatists I will be immediately banned, right? If Xinjiang were another Afganistan style Muslim country, what Pakistan can get ? maybe another hostile neighor like Afghanistan and Iran and you need to put another fence along that border, you'll lose your logisitic supply route from China , no money support, no arms support, no UNSC support... you can wish yourself the best luck the next time you fight a major war with your gigantic neighbor to your east.

Afghanistan, Iran and Bangladesh are all your brotherly Muslim countries, do they support you against India or do they support India against you? Supporting Xinjiang separatists is the dumbest thing to do for Pakistan, that's to shoot yourself in the head.

Turning China into your enemy by supporting Xinjiang separatists, and see who'll still be on your side in this world!

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Isnt that the same as some of our Quota systems?

And we have seen the damage it does so why did China not abolish it? Our govt has been corrupt doing more for themselves than the country what's China's excuse?

2ndly, the concentration camps are so called training the Uighur community!
3rdly, MOST of the objections are for these camps!
4thly, as per China's laws you cant pray in public places, these camps are public places and people are forced to live in them so as to "reprimand them"...so if they are living in one for say 1 yr...they are not allowed to pray, fast, read Quran and practice Islam for 1 yr!

THAT is typically called brainwashing! We pray 5x a day! Imagine not doing 5 x 365 prayers! And they justify this! If these are "training centers" why are the Uighur forced to LIVE in them? Training centers have timing unlike concentration camps which are to "make you change"!

Saddest thing is, even a small display of religion lands you in these camps and labels you as a terrorism being "reprimanded"!


This is what I had heard and seen but the PDF Chinese are not like Chinese at all...they are more like indians!


I dont mean anything like what is in your brain...Quote ANY one of my post and show me where have I stated there is rape going on the camps? Just 1 post if not forever be silent coz we dont believe in liars! And as per Chinese tradition, if you lie once no one actually takes you seriously, EVER!

1. VERY quiet (unusual level)
2. low self esteem (esp when it comes to communicating in English - something similar to my Japanese colleagues)
3. never fight or argue...But they do get triggered when talking about Taiwan
4. Nice
5. Very Humble (Though Japanese are ahead in that field)
6. Kind
7. Friendly and willing to help
8. Curious and wanting to learn
9. Boasting about China

Depending on how long they have stayed in Western world....these tend to differ!

I knew few who were RICH (or claimed so)...some told me those who go to UK to study (without scholarship) usually are VERY rich! And I met a number of them in the UK!

I met some as colleagues in Europe (who had been in Western world more than 2 yrs) they were slightly different...

1. More confident
2. Less humble
3. Less nice
4. Kind
5. Friendly
6. Obnoxious
7. Agreeing China has problems (it is either they want to fit in or they realize they dont need to be defensive)

This is just my observation and some traits from the top of my head!


Please dont use such language!

He was jumping up and down, Caps means yelling so, I only suggested he calms down.

You keep comparing Xinjiang with Hitiler's Jewish genocide, that's really ridiculous, Xinjiang people live the best life they've never lived.


If you say that we have no point for further discussion, don't forget you also have separatist problems in your own country.


If I support Pakistani separatists I will be immediately banned, right? If Xinjiang were another Afganistan style Muslim country, what Pakistan can get ? maybe another hostile neighor like Afghanistan and Iran and you need to put another fence along that border, you'll lose your logisitic supply route from China , no money support, no arms support, no UNSC support... you can wish yourself the best luck the next time you fight a major war with your gigantic neighbor to your east.

Afghanistan, Iran and Bangladesh are all your brotherly Muslim countries, do they support you against India or do they support India against you? Supporting Xinjiang separatists is the dumbest thing to do for Pakistan, that's to shoot yourself in the head.

Turning China into your enemy by supporting Xinjiang separatists, and see who'll still be on your side in this world!

Actually the moment Pakistan starts apposing China the west would shower it with funds and investments. Why, you may ask?. Well simply because it will keep the power of China in check and constrict them from gaining any influence in the middle east and eventually central Asia. So you should be lucky Pakistan still supports China even after getting pressurized by the west.

Also China is indebted to Pakistan more then Pakistan ever would be to China. it was Pakistan that opened China up to the world and took it around to meet the western countries. The only reason why your economy is doing so great is because of all those relationships Pakistan mediated, with the west. The only reason China has relations with the US is because Pakistan mediated heavily and forced the US to start trade and diplomatic relations. Heck PIA even trained all your major Chinese airlines and even had flights form Beijing and other Chinese cities to the rest of the world.

So please don't you ever think that Pakistan would ever be indebted or need you. Infact its China that needs Pakistan and it's going to need it even more with rising tensions with India and the west.

The banning system is simple: 3 times warning and you get a ban!

Very rarely and only if one is trolling are 3 warnings given at once! I have very rarely given 3 warnings at once! You can ask the senior mods and admin to "review" these ....Just open a thread in GHQ! I have told you before but you cant seem to understand!

And as per forum rules, if you reply to a troll/ or resort in trolling also ...YOU will be warned! You can read the forum rules again! in the past Pakistani members were banned (3 warnings at once) for replying to trolls!

Chinese people are not supposed to expose their feelings but I guess they release all their frustrations that they have been holding back on PDF!


When you are curbing your population growth and you have only less than 10% of minorities, why would you want to cut their birth rate?



You see when someone is "unhappy" and gets into a position...this is the start of oppression! Hitler was also "unhappy" with the Jewish population! See the similarities! If the state caused it, it should be responsible and the current oppression of the minority isnt helping!


Forcing is never good! GOVT forcing is always mirrored as communism/ dictatorship/ oppression!


According to the reports, it seems like you are a terrorist if you practice your religion in the open or in public places! Just read the reports it shows like that!

What is considered terrorist attacks? Refusal to abide to Han mentality? Refusal to move out of ancestral homes and having a strong opposition?

Xinjiang was seeking independence so the freedom fighters like Kashmir have been called terrorist?


the concentration camps are public institutions and thus you cant pray inside those buildings as well @beijingwalker himself admitted to this!

May I PM you? I have a few questions and maybe you can help me

 

[beijingwalker]

He was jumping up and down, Caps means yelling so, I only suggested he calms down.

Actually the moment Pakistan starts apposing China the west would shower it with funds and investments. Why, you may ask?. Well simply because it will keep the power of China in check and constrict them from gaining any influence in the middle east and eventually central Asia. So you should be lucky Pakistan still supports China even after getting pressurized by the west.

Also China is indebted to Pakistan more then Pakistan ever would be to China.

We are equal, no one is indebted to another, if you like to turn to the west, no one stops you, China and US quarrel a lot, but our relations are not really that bad, two countries economies are so closely intertwined, we need eath other equally, I'll bet you that the trade deal will be made cause both countries can't afford othewise, respects come from your own strength, US can do nothing to stop us. I would not say the same about US and Pakistan relations, you can oppose China and try to befriend US again and see what'll happen and don't forget about India. The next time you go to war with India, I really doubt that US will support you, even it does, US is declining and probably won't be able to do so in the future.

 

[Rasengan]

QUOTE="Dubious, post: 11579573, member: 141155"]
When you are curbing your population growth and you have only less than 10% of minorities, why would you want to cut their birth rate?[/QUOTE]

The Govt isn't curbing the birth rate of minorities. Minority groups are allowed to have more than one child. I was explaining why such tensions exists between the Han and Uighur community. The Han community found this policy unfair.

You see when someone is "unhappy" and gets into a position...this is the start of oppression! Hitler was also "unhappy" with the Jewish population! See the similarities! If the state caused it, it should be responsible and the current oppression of the minority isnt helping!

I don't see no comparison with Hitler and the policies of the Chinese Govt. Such a scenrio won't exists because Provincials Governors don't come from the local region. Therefore, they have none of the baggage of hatred that exists between the local Han and Uighur community.
The Uighurs aren't blameless or angels in this entire fiasco. They don't wish to integrate into society. I was in Chengdu once in a Uighur restaurant and the waiter couldn't even understand basic mandarin to take my friends order. I was gobsmacked and asked my friend why such a problem exists. His reply was simple, they choose not to send there children to school. Furthermore, look how big China is and the size of its population. The Govt is bound to make mistakes, they aren't perfect, but they have come a long way since the era of Chairman Mao.

Forcing is never good! GOVT forcing is always mirrored as communism/ dictatorship/ oppression!

This is Chinese culture of governance (legalism) which dates back to 2000 years of there history, therefore it has nothing to do with communism. In addition, there has never been a communist country, socialists state but never a communist Govt. Communism is a utopia system. Hence why leaders such as Stalin, Lenin, Trosky and Mao used the words "We must continue the revolution." You may disagree with them, but this has changed China, lifting 700 million people out of poverty. Do you think everyone was given a choice? The answer is no. Look where China is today compare to other countries all within a short span of 40 years.

According to the reports, it seems like you are a terrorist if you practice your religion in the open or in public places! Just read the reports it shows like that!

What is considered terrorist attacks? Refusal to abide to Han mentality? Refusal to move out of ancestral homes and having a strong opposition?

Xinjiang was seeking independence so the freedom fighters like Kashmir have been called terrorist?
!

I don't follow western sources on Xinjiang. They clearly have a bias opinion on China and as a Pakistani I know this full well. Look at the videos of some of the foriegn vloggers who have come to Pakistan. Tourism hasn't flourished in Pakistan because The western media has painted Pakistan as terrorists unsafe country. The same applies to China who they view as a national security threat to there power.
You want to know what is considered a terrorists attack? Its when a Uighur butchers random people on the street with a knife, take a van and runs over people indiscriminately and attacks police stations during the night. The Govt has every right to move them outside of there ancestral homes. What makes the Uighur so special when the Govt has done this same policy across the whole of China predominately on the Han community?
There is a big difference between Kashmir and Xinjiang. The Uighurs aren't fighting for Islam or Muslims. There indepedence is based upon nationalism and ethnicity.

he concentration camps are public institutions and thus you cant pray inside those buildings as well @beijingwalker himself admitted to this!

@beijingwalker is a citizen of China he doesn't represent the Chinese Govt.

 

[beijingwalker]

If Pakistan really decides to turn against China for Xinjiang, I would say that's the dumbest decision you could ever make.

QUOTE="Dubious, post: 11579573, member: 141155"]

@beijingwalker is a citizen of China he doesn't represent the Chinese Govt.

I told him so, and I don't think he can represent Pakistani government either, I don't think Pakistani government supports Xinjiang separatists.

 

[Rasengan]

If Pakistan really decides to turn against China for Xinjiang, I would say that's the dumbest decision you could ever make.


I told him so, and I don't think he can represent Pakistani government either, I don't think Pakistani government supports Xinjiang separatists.

Don't worry, the Govt of Pakistan supports China on the issue of Xinjiang. Action speaks louder than words. Who killed the two last leaders of ETIM? Pakistani military. Who convinced the Taliban back in 1996 to stop supporting ETIM? Pakistani intelligence. Who has given captured Uighur prisoners to China? Pakistan. What did Xi say on the current relationship with Imran Khan and Pakistan? Wonderful. This is a forum, so do what I recommended to you before. Have I not supported China's stance in this exchange?

 

[beijingwalker]

Don't worry, the Govt of Pakistan supports China on the issue of Xinjiang. Action speaks louder than words. Who killed the two last leaders of ETIM? Pakistani military. Who convinced the Taliban back in 1996 to stop supporting ETIM? Pakistani intelligence. Who has given captured Uighur prisoners to China? Pakistan. What did Xi say on the current relationship with Imran Khan and Pakistan? Wonderful. This is a forum, so do what I recommended to you before. Have I not supported China's stance in this exchange?

I also support Pakistan for years in this forum, many long time PDF users can verify this. I just kind of feel weird that how a person with this strong bias can become a mod. Several other Chinese, most are banned now, also asked this same question.

 

[Rasengan]

I also support Pakistan for years in this forum, many long time PDF users can verify this. I just kind of feel weird that how a person with this strong bias can become a mod. Several other Chinese, most are banned now, also asked this same question.

I can understand your frustration. It's not nice reading comments from a group of people who should be in your corner. To be honest with you brother I find it rather strange how the anti-China element in recent months has gone up. This was never the case a few months ago. The majority of people support China and those who don't have an unhealthy obsession with the issue of Xinjiang. I laugh at there ignorance because they can't do anything.

I also support Pakistan for years in this forum, many long time PDF users can verify this. I just kind of feel weird that how a person with this strong bias can become a mod. Several other Chinese, most are banned now, also asked this same question.

But its important brother for you to hold the torch and defend China and not falling into there trap. I don't use the word brother lightly, but I use this word on Chinese people because I like them a lot. So I hope you take my advice.

 

[Dubious]

You keep comparing Xinjiang with Hitiler's Jewish genocide, that's really ridiculous, Xinjiang people live the best life they've never lived.

Yes...best and the payment is being a slave with no sense of freedom of religion....THAT isnt the best life! Ask any slave!

If you say that we have no point for further discussion, don't forget you also have separatist problems in your own country.

And we never deny them...NEVER have we sent anyone to a concentration camp NOR do we curb religious practices of any minority!

If I support Pakistani separatists I will be immediately banned, right?

IF you TROLL about Separatists yes...But if you had supported Asia bibi (a case from Pakistan where West claimed she was "oppressed/ abused") you wouldnt have!
You are comparing separatists group vs people in concentration camp with religious freedom oppressed! VERY different mind you!

If Xinjiang were another Afganistan style Muslim country, what Pakistan can get ? maybe another hostile neighor like Afghanistan and Iran and you need to put another fence along that border, you'll lose your logisitic supply route from China , no money support, no arms support, no UNSC support... you can wish yourself the best luck the next time you fight a major war with your gigantic neighbor to your east.

IF but is it?

There is a vast difference between being called a terrorist just for practicing your religion and being called a terrorist for causing harm to other people! In Xinjiang, the Uyghur people are called terrorist just for practicing their religion in a public place!

Afghanistan, Iran and Bangladesh are all your brotherly Muslim countries, do they support you against India or do they support India against you? Supporting Xinjiang separatists is the dumbest thing to do for Pakistan, that's to shoot yourself in the head.

Nobody is supporting the "separatists" but we are opposing China's stand in labeling EVERYONE of them separatists just because they have different faith! or need to practice their religion 5x a day?!

Turning China into your enemy by supporting Xinjiang separatists, and see who'll still be on your side in this world!

As usual you are going off tangent! Why cant you EVER stay on point?

Its like dealing with a toddler who doesnt understand anything but keeps on going!

The Govt isn't curbing the birth rate of minorities. Minority groups are allowed to have more than one child. I was explaining why such tensions exists between the Han and Uighur community. The Han community found this policy unfair.

Well then the Han people should voice out to the govt not the ethnic people!

I explained to you such policies DOES lead to a divide and a dangerous one indeed! A divide that is so blind and only filled with hatred as shown here on PDF! If we talk/ respect/ protect/ side the Uyghur people, the Han people on the forum attack you like you insulted their mothers!

And they quickly start the "we are your friends we did this that for Pakistan"...and quickly label us traitors! Just read some of their posts!

I don't see no comparison with Hitler and the policies of the Chinese Govt. Such a scenrio won't exists because Provincials Governors don't come from the local region. Therefore, they have none of the baggage of hatred that exists between the local Han and Uighur community.

You are contradicting yourself...esp when you said that the Han people did hate the policy..They cant hate the policy and then claim there is no hated that exists! The hatred is very clear here on PDF! I cant imagine in real life!

These Han people quickly jump from Uyghur people to labeling all of them either separatists or terrorists...some jumping as far as killing them - there were 2 PDF Chinese members who were promoting death to the UYGHUR people and I had to give them warning coz such things are against forum policy! And this is online when they are anonymous! Imagine such mentality roaming freely outside! Let alone if such racist people end up in decision making positions!

The Uighurs aren't blameless or angels in this entire fiasco. They don't wish to integrate into society.

What is wrong with NOT wanting to be a clone? We have Sindhi with quota system and who dont know Urdu...do we go around jailing them up?

The Govt is bound to make mistakes, they aren't perfect, but they have come a long way since the era of Chairman Mao.

Yes, but refusal all the way to denial to admit a mistake is a mistake in itself!

This is Chinese culture of governance (legalism) which dates back to 2000 years of there history, therefore it has nothing to do with communism. In addition, there has never been a communist country, socialists state but never a communist Govt. Communism is a utopia system. Hence why leaders such as Stalin, Lenin, Trosky and Mao used the words "We must continue the revolution." You may disagree with them, but this has changed China, lifting 700 million people out of poverty. Do you think everyone was given a choice? The answer is no. Look where China is today compare to other countries all within a short span of 40 years.

I admit China has done a wonderful job but that is not my argument!

Not everything the govt did is painted wrongly! I have praised it where necessary! You cant cover the wrongs with the good! Just coz there is 95% good doesnt mean the 5% doesnt exist or is a myth?! That 5% is deadly to a whole nation/ people called Uyghur!

Look at Pakistan...they "modified" the Islamiyat...the children today dont study what my parents studied or what my generation studied...and are far loss! This is the case in an Islamic country imagine in a country where practicing religion is banned!

When the next generation will be CLUELESS about their religion...it will be easier for terrorists to recruit them claiming xyz version is the real Islam! It is the same how many people get recruited! MANY clueless souls are sold a version of a religion/ ideology that sounds cool and supporting their scenario...EVEN if the real religion doesnt teach that...THIS is dangerous! Not for now maybe but wait 1 generation and you will see the results...Look at Pakistan or even the 2nd generation Muslims in Europe...they fell for BS that was sold to them as Islam and went to fight a "holy war" without knowing what a Holy war is and that the crusaders are the ONLY ones in modern history who actually termed it that Jihad means strive not holy war...But there was no one to tell them that! Just lunatics calling them to their "duty"!

Its when a Uighur butchers random people on the street with a knife, take a van and runs over people indiscriminately and attacks police stations during the night.

Blanket statements are never good...even the unrelated suffer when you crackdown based on a people! it is like saying that Pathan, Sindhi or Punjabi do that...When we know not all Pathan, Sindhi or Punjabi are same...

There is a big difference between Kashmir and Xinjiang. The Uighurs aren't fighting for Islam or Muslims. There indepedence is based upon nationalism and ethnicity.

IRRESPECTIVE of that, putting them in concentration camps and oppressing their religion isnt the way!

@beijingwalker is a citizen of China he doesn't represent the Chinese Govt.

Yes and you stated your friend while ordering at a Uyghur restaurant as an example...but somehow Beijingwalker himself admitting (so did 2-3 other members) is not enough?

I also support Pakistan for years in this forum, many long time PDF users can verify this. I just kind of feel weird that how a person with this strong bias can become a mod. Several other Chinese, most are banned now, also asked this same question.

BIASED? SO you dont question your members' foul mouthed language but call me biased!

I repeatedly told you to open a case in GHQ but all you do is "bitch" about! Yes in layman's language this attitude of talking about something but doing ABSOLUTELY nothing about it is called BITCHING!

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

We are equal, no one is indebted to another, if you like to turn to the west, no one stops you, China and US quarrel a lot, but our relations are not really that bad, two countries economies are so closely intertwined, we need eath other equally, I'll bet you that the trade deal will be made cause both countries can't afford othewise, respects come from your own strength, US can do nothing to stop us. I would not say the same about US and Pakistan relations, you can oppose China and try to befriend US again and see what'll happen and don't forget about India. The next time you go to war with India, I really doubt that US will support you, even it does, US is declining and probably won't be able to do so in the future.

Then dont understand the length that the US will go to stay the sole superpower.

 

[Rasengan]

Well then the Han people should voice out to the govt not the ethnic people!

I explained to you such policies DOES lead to a divide and a dangerous one indeed! A divide that is so blind and only filled with hatred as shown here on PDF! If we talk/ respect/ protect/ side the Uyghur people, the Han people on the forum attack you like you insulted their mothers!

Your first sentence points to the idea of the Han community solely attacking the Uighur community. When I have told you in my previous post 600 attacks use to occur yearly in Xinjiang on the Han community. The Uighur community aren't angels. In the 2009 riots, they were chanting death to Han and Hui which confirms they are nationalists who seek independence rather than on the grounds of religious freedom. There are 56 ethnic groups in China, of which 10 of them are Muslim. Why is the Uighur community the only Muslim group causing trouble? Why haven't the rest of them raised concerns about the Chinese Govt's treatment of there faith?


If you support the Uighur people who demand independence then its only natural the Chinese members will feel anger. Imagine if I decided to join a Chinese Forum and the people over there were openly speaking on funding, arming and supporting BLA. My reaction won't be extreme as some Chinese members have conducted themselves in this forum but it would definitely make me unhappy.


There should only be one outcome for ETIM and its supporters, a bullet to the head. Good job, the Pakistani Army has killed two of their previous leaders. These cockroaches came to our country and allied themselves with the TTP in Waziristan and killed our soldiers and caused suffering to the local population. So I don't have a shred of sympathy for them. How do you know if some of these Chinese members haven't been affected by Uighur terrorism? Look at how Pakistani's talk about Afghans on this forum. They use the most disgusting language imaginable, especially to those Afghan's who question the Durand Line. It's very easy pointing fingers at others, but one should look at themselves.

You are contradicting yourself...esp when you said that the Han people did hate the policy..They cant hate the policy and then claim there is no hated that exists! The hatred is very clear here on PDF! I cant imagine in real life!

The Hui people aren't Han and we both know they are Muslim. Please explain to me why the Uighur's hate the Hui? This is important because no matter what the Chinese Govt will do there will always be an element of separatism from this community. I haven't contradicted myself, you didn't read my sentence properly. I said no person would be in a position of power with hatred as none of the Provincial Governors is selected from the region. The CPC has a robust policy of making sure Mayors, Governors and other key positions are given to individuals that have no attachment to the region. I should have said the Han people of Xinjiang hate this policy. Do you honestly think someone from Dalian, Chongqing or Suzhou would care? The answer is no because these regions are developed and the standard of living is very high. When I was working in one of the big four banks in China, I had five Uighur colleagues in our office. The tension of which I spoke on concerns Han and Uighurs in Xinjiang.
@beijingwalkerhas posted many times on this forum claiming he had no issues with the Uighur except for separatists. Why don't we ask him to clarify? @beijingwalker do you hate ordinary fellow Chinese Uighur citizens? Furthermore, what happens on the net doesn't reflect real life.

These Han people quickly jump from Uyghur people to labeling all of them either separatists or terrorists...some jumping as far as killing them - there were 2 PDF Chinese members who were promoting death to the UYGHUR people and I had to give them warning coz such things are against forum policy! And this is online when they are anonymous! Imagine such mentality roaming freely outside! Let alone if such racist people end up in decision making positions!

How do you know these Chinese members are Han? They could be Dai, Bai, Zhuang etc. Furthermore, we can't deny the Uighur have elements of separatism from there community. This is what most Chinese members I believe are referring to. Those who demand the death of innocent Uighurs have no excuse. They are a disgrace to there country, but that doesn't mean the majority hold such views. Let's ask @beijingwalkeragain. brother should innocent Uighur's be killed and death be chanted at them? Racism exists in all societies and taking someone's word from an internet forum as legitimate isn't logical.

What is wrong with NOT wanting to be a clone? We have Sindhi with quota system and who dont know Urdu...do we go around jailing them up?

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to become a clone. You do know in China each region has its own dialect. Someone like @beijingwalker who probably resides in Beijing wouldn't understand Sichuanese. The same holds true for the people of Guangdong who still speak Cantonese. If you want to have a good job in a good company within and outside of Xinjiang then you must learn Mandarin, that is the basic standard which must be upheld throughout the whole country. This isn't rocket science its common sense when you have a population of 1.4 billion people. No one is telling the Uighur people they can't speak their own language but they also must learn Mandarin to integrate with the rest of society.



Do you think the Hui people have the same cloned culture as the Han people because they integrated with the rest of Chinese society? The answer is no. If you know Hui culture as I do, then you will know they have there own brand of kung fu dating back more than 800 years ago, their food is much different, they have a totally different language and clothing style.

 

[Nilgiri]

Xinjiang people live the best life they've never lived.

LOL. Shouldn't that be "ever" lived?

Unintentional truth bomb? @Pakhtoon yum @Itachi