ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[aziqbal]

China is neither the West nor the Soviet Union.

no but it is a communist autocracy

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

no but it is a communist autocracy

Chinese have no duty to argue by your rules nor can you force Chinese to do so.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

So that makes what China is doing to her minorities okay? Also China is like the net destroyer of the planets quite like literally from pollution to plain old extraction of resources. So chinese can't complain either.

Whataboutism is a logical fallacy in case you didn't know.

It is hardly anybody problem if one subscribe to fake news and allow oneself to be made use of.

Now that most of all these unsubstantiated lies are already debunked.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

So that makes what China is doing to her minorities okay? Also China is like the net destroyer of the planets quite like literally from pollution to plain old extraction of resources. So chinese can't complain either.

Whataboutism is a logical fallacy in case you didn't know.

whataboutism is not a fallacy and is actually a completely new word invented after the 1940's to deflect accusations of hypocrisy, which is necessary because the inventors of this word were extreme hypocrites.

in fact, accusations of hypocrisy is allowed in a US court of law. for example, it is legal to question the character of a witness during cross examination to establish credibility. If they are proven to have lied in the past, then the witness can be shown to be a liar and their testimony disregarded as unreputable.

 

[OIO]

no but it is a communist autocracy

If you understand the history of Muslims' interaction with China, you should know that you have no reason to criticize China.

 

[aziqbal]

MADE IN HELL How Chinese caged slaves whose lives are a living nightmare may have made your trainers, TV and phones

REVEALED

• Patrick Knox
• 13 Jan 2021, 9:33
• Updated: 13 Jan 2021, 9:56

FROM your phone, TV and trainers to your clothes and Covid masks, anti-slavery campaigners have warned there's a very good chance part of them was made by political prisoners in China.
Activists have accused the Communist regime of being engaged in the world's biggest forced labour outrage since the Nazis.

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The products which human rights and anti-slavery campaigners claim are made in part or fully in China's forced labour camps
Look around your home and it's claimed there is a very good chance something will have been made in cruel factories, which are staffed by inmates from nightmarish "gulag" style camps.
It comes as Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab announced the UK would fine any companies importing and selling these "barbaric" products.
He said: "Our aim, put simply, is that no company that profits from forced labour.
"The evidence paints a harrowing picture and showed the practice of barbarism we had hoped lost to another era."

Here we look at the slave products allegedly on sale in the UK and other Western countries which are made in what China chillingly calls "re-education facilities".
Clothes, underwear and bedsheets?
Chloe Cranston, from campaign group Anti-Slavery International, told The Sun Online persecuted Muslim Uighurs in China were forced to work to supply the world’s largest fashion companies.
Ms Cranston said: "One fifth of all cotton production can be presumed to be linked to the forced labour.
"You could be inadvertently putting on a product that was made off the backs of forced labour of Uighurs."

Huge numbers from within this minority group, who are from Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) in the north-west of the country, have allegedly been locked up and hired out by Communist party officials to greedy factory bosses.
In September a leaked Beijing document revealed the scale of its detention camps — as officials say up to eight million people have gone through "training" at state "gulags".
Ms Cranston said: "This is the largest mass detention of a ethnic and religious identity since World War 2."
Campaigners are calling on fashion companies to be more vigilant about their supply chains to avoid unwittingly outsourcing their products to the companies.

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A still from drone footage which claims to show Uighur prisoners being piled onto trains in China

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Satellite photo allegedly showing a re-education camp for the detained UighursCredit: AP:Associated Press

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Drone footage that emerged last year is thought to show scores of Uighur being loaded onto trains

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Watchtowers on a high-security facility near what is believed to be a re-education camp where mostly Muslim ethnic minority Uighurs are detained, on the outskirts of Hotan, Xinjiang Credit: AFP or licensorsTrainers?
It has also been alleged that some sports brands were outsourcing manufacturing of trainers to factories staffed by the detained Uighurs.
One manufacturer allegedly using slaves them was the Qingdao Taekwang Shoes Co, which is located in the city of Laixi.
Here they have allegedly been churning out Nike’s Shox or Airmax.
Nike announced it was reviewing its supply chains after the allegations first emerged in March.
The Washington Post visited the factory and said it was like a prison, with barbed wire, watchtowers and cameras.
An Uighur woman told them: "We can walk around, but we can't go back [to Xinjiang on our own.”

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The fences along the side of the Qingdao Taekwang Shoes Co. factoryCredit: Getty Images - Getty

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There are watchtowers with cameras pointed in all directions and high barbed wire fences atop the wallsCredit: Getty Images - Getty

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A major product is trainers which are then shipped to the westCredit: AlamySmart phones, laptops and TVs?
Uighur prisoners have also allegedly been forced into making computer screens, cameras, and fingerprint scanners for a supplier to foreign tech companies.
It is claimed they work in the OFilm factory, in Nanchang, which boasts customers including Apple.
However, it was impossible to track specific products to specific companies.
Apple has said it has launched a investigation after the allegations, but had found no evidence of forced labour used in its products.
One woman, who worked in the factory for several weeks alongside the Uighurs, told The Associated Press: "They don’t let them come out.
"The government chose them to come to OFilm, they didn’t choose it."
OFilm has not commented on the allegations.
The US Department of Commerce had early in July designated OFilm Group among a list of eleven Chinese companies that it accuses of taking part in human rights violations against the Uighur people.


Xinjiang is home to around 25million people

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A local stops for a smoke near the entrance to an OFILM factory in NanchangCredit: AP:Associated PressCovid masks?
Only four companies in Xinjiang produced medical grade protective equipment before the pandemic, according to China’s National Medical Products Administration.
But as of June 30, that number had suddenly increased to 51.
At least 17 of those companies were found to be participating in the Uighurs’ "labour transfer programme", according to the New York Times.
Here reportedly 25 per cent of its workforce are Uighur Muslims.


Workers at an electronics factory in in Aketao County, Xinjiang, work as part of the 'poverty alleviation' programme - or so the Chinese Communist party claimsChristmas decorations and cards?
According to United States Government’s 2020 List of Goods Produced by Child Labor or Forced Labor, Christmas decorations are believed to be major slave product.
Greetings cards are another product, which human rights and anti-slavery campaigners say are made by forced labour.
Last Christmas, Florence Widdicombe, from Tooting, south London, was stunned when she opened the new box of charity cards and found the scrawled message inside from what appeared to be a slave worker begging for help.
Tesco, where the cards were bought, suspended use of the factory Zhejiang Yunguang Printing in Shanghai.
The factory has denied using slave labour and claimed the allegations were politically motivated.
China’s Foreign Ministry has also rebuffed the claims.
But a search on the website of global trade data firm Panjiva Inc by The Sun Online found the company made 25 shipments to the UK of greetings cards and kids colouring books in 2019.

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Six-year-old Florence Widdicombe, from Tooting, south London, was shocked after discovering a message in her Christmas cardCredit: PAress Association

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A translation of the note in a Tesco Christmas card from a desperate prisoner in Shanghai - his handwriting changed to protect his identityCredit: Tom Stockill - The Sunday Times
Calls for secretive China to let the world in
HUMAN rights group Amnesty International has called on China to allow independent experts to assess the situation in Xinjiang if it really does have "nothing to hide".
Nicholas Bequelin, the group's Regional Director for Asia and the Pacific, tells Sun Online: “We have documented an intensifying government campaign of mass internment, intrusive surveillance, political indoctrination and forced cultural assimilation against Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic groups living in Xinjiang.
“Despite such evidence, China has repeatedly denied that it is carrying out human rights violations in Xinjiang, or even that the camps exist, And it is almost impossible to independently verify their claims given the extreme constraints to reporting in the region.
“But if China has nothing to hide, it should allow independent UN experts to assess the situation and allow Uyghurs and members of other ethnic minorities to freely communicate with their relatives overseas.
"Until now, this is something the Chinese authorities have refused to do.”
One camp survivor, Kairat Samarkan, told Amnesty he was forced to stand in a fixed position for 12 hours when first detained.
He was not allowed to talk to the nearly 6,000 others held in the same camp, and had to chant “Long live Xi Jinping” before meals.
He said his treatment led him to attempt suicide just before his release.
According to an online victims' database, dozens of Uighurs have died while in custody or soon after their release.
Hair products?
In September, US Customs and Border Protection said it would seize any shipments of human hair from the Lop County Hair Product Industrial Park in southern Xinjiang.
That followed two earlier WROs on companies registered within the same area, including the June seizure of 13 tons of human hair worth £600,000 from the firm.
In a statement to The Sun Online, the US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) said: "Forced labor is modern slavery.
"This holiday season, CBP is urging consumers to think twice before they buy cheap goods online and in stores.
"The apparel, hair extensions, laptops, jewelry, cosmetics, and other products that you buy for friends and family may be made under conditions of modern slavery."

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U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers at the Port of New York seized hair extensions made of human hairCredit: U.S. Customs and Border Protection

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The products were part of shipment of almost 13 tons of hair products worth over £600,000 dollarsCredit: U.S. Customs and Border Protection
After being contacted by The Sun Online, Apple referred to its statement it made in July where it said it had launched a detailed investigation of OFilm Tech after allegations of forced labour surfaced.
This involved dispatching independent third-party investigators to the factory and then conducting surprise audits in June and July, including verifying employee documentation and interviewing with workers in local languages, it said.
Following allegations of forced labour being used in Apple's supply chain, its spokesman said: "We have found no evidence of any forced labor on Apple production lines and we plan to continue monitoring."








Nike told The Sun Online it was concerned about reports of forced labor in, and connected to, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR).
A spokesperson said: “Related to the Taekwang Group, when reports of the situation in XUAR began to surface in 2019 Taekwang stopped hiring new employees from the XUAR to its Qingdao facility and an independent third-party audit confirmed there are no longer any employees from XUAR at the facility.
"Our ongoing diligence has not found evidence of employment of Uyghurs, or other ethnic minorities from the XUAR, elsewhere in our supply chain in China.
"Based on evolving information, we strengthened our audit protocols to identify emerging risks related to potential labor transfer programs."

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Satellite images show a network of suspected detention camps built by the Chinese government since 2017Credit: Google Earth

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An estimated 260 sites have been constructed across the Xinjiang province

 

[beijingwalker]

MADE IN HELL How Chinese caged slaves whose lives are a living nightmare may have made your trainers, TV and phones

REVEALED

• Patrick Knox
• 13 Jan 2021, 9:33
• Updated: 13 Jan 2021, 9:56

FROM your phone, TV and trainers to your clothes and Covid masks, anti-slavery campaigners have warned there's a very good chance part of them was made by political prisoners in China.
Activists have accused the Communist regime of being engaged in the world's biggest forced labour outrage since the Nazis.

20
The products which human rights and anti-slavery campaigners claim are made in part or fully in China's forced labour camps
Look around your home and it's claimed there is a very good chance something will have been made in cruel factories, which are staffed by inmates from nightmarish "gulag" style camps.
It comes as Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab announced the UK would fine any companies importing and selling these "barbaric" products.
He said: "Our aim, put simply, is that no company that profits from forced labour.
"The evidence paints a harrowing picture and showed the practice of barbarism we had hoped lost to another era."

Here we look at the slave products allegedly on sale in the UK and other Western countries which are made in what China chillingly calls "re-education facilities".
Clothes, underwear and bedsheets?
Chloe Cranston, from campaign group Anti-Slavery International, told The Sun Online persecuted Muslim Uighurs in China were forced to work to supply the world’s largest fashion companies.
Ms Cranston said: "One fifth of all cotton production can be presumed to be linked to the forced labour.
"You could be inadvertently putting on a product that was made off the backs of forced labour of Uighurs."

Huge numbers from within this minority group, who are from Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) in the north-west of the country, have allegedly been locked up and hired out by Communist party officials to greedy factory bosses.
In September a leaked Beijing document revealed the scale of its detention camps — as officials say up to eight million people have gone through "training" at state "gulags".
Ms Cranston said: "This is the largest mass detention of a ethnic and religious identity since World War 2."
Campaigners are calling on fashion companies to be more vigilant about their supply chains to avoid unwittingly outsourcing their products to the companies.

20
A still from drone footage which claims to show Uighur prisoners being piled onto trains in China

20
Satellite photo allegedly showing a re-education camp for the detained UighursCredit: AP:Associated Press

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Drone footage that emerged last year is thought to show scores of Uighur being loaded onto trains

20
Watchtowers on a high-security facility near what is believed to be a re-education camp where mostly Muslim ethnic minority Uighurs are detained, on the outskirts of Hotan, Xinjiang Credit: AFP or licensorsTrainers?
It has also been alleged that some sports brands were outsourcing manufacturing of trainers to factories staffed by the detained Uighurs.
One manufacturer allegedly using slaves them was the Qingdao Taekwang Shoes Co, which is located in the city of Laixi.
Here they have allegedly been churning out Nike’s Shox or Airmax.
Nike announced it was reviewing its supply chains after the allegations first emerged in March.
The Washington Post visited the factory and said it was like a prison, with barbed wire, watchtowers and cameras.
An Uighur woman told them: "We can walk around, but we can't go back [to Xinjiang on our own.”

20
The fences along the side of the Qingdao Taekwang Shoes Co. factoryCredit: Getty Images - Getty

20
There are watchtowers with cameras pointed in all directions and high barbed wire fences atop the wallsCredit: Getty Images - Getty

20
A major product is trainers which are then shipped to the westCredit: AlamySmart phones, laptops and TVs?
Uighur prisoners have also allegedly been forced into making computer screens, cameras, and fingerprint scanners for a supplier to foreign tech companies.
It is claimed they work in the OFilm factory, in Nanchang, which boasts customers including Apple.
However, it was impossible to track specific products to specific companies.
Apple has said it has launched a investigation after the allegations, but had found no evidence of forced labour used in its products.
One woman, who worked in the factory for several weeks alongside the Uighurs, told The Associated Press: "They don’t let them come out.
"The government chose them to come to OFilm, they didn’t choose it."
OFilm has not commented on the allegations.
The US Department of Commerce had early in July designated OFilm Group among a list of eleven Chinese companies that it accuses of taking part in human rights violations against the Uighur people.


Xinjiang is home to around 25million people

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A local stops for a smoke near the entrance to an OFILM factory in NanchangCredit: AP:Associated PressCovid masks?
Only four companies in Xinjiang produced medical grade protective equipment before the pandemic, according to China’s National Medical Products Administration.
But as of June 30, that number had suddenly increased to 51.
At least 17 of those companies were found to be participating in the Uighurs’ "labour transfer programme", according to the New York Times.
Here reportedly 25 per cent of its workforce are Uighur Muslims.


Workers at an electronics factory in in Aketao County, Xinjiang, work as part of the 'poverty alleviation' programme - or so the Chinese Communist party claimsChristmas decorations and cards?
According to United States Government’s 2020 List of Goods Produced by Child Labor or Forced Labor, Christmas decorations are believed to be major slave product.
Greetings cards are another product, which human rights and anti-slavery campaigners say are made by forced labour.
Last Christmas, Florence Widdicombe, from Tooting, south London, was stunned when she opened the new box of charity cards and found the scrawled message inside from what appeared to be a slave worker begging for help.
Tesco, where the cards were bought, suspended use of the factory Zhejiang Yunguang Printing in Shanghai.
The factory has denied using slave labour and claimed the allegations were politically motivated.
China’s Foreign Ministry has also rebuffed the claims.
But a search on the website of global trade data firm Panjiva Inc by The Sun Online found the company made 25 shipments to the UK of greetings cards and kids colouring books in 2019.

20
Six-year-old Florence Widdicombe, from Tooting, south London, was shocked after discovering a message in her Christmas cardCredit: PAress Association

20
A translation of the note in a Tesco Christmas card from a desperate prisoner in Shanghai - his handwriting changed to protect his identityCredit: Tom Stockill - The Sunday Times
Calls for secretive China to let the world in
HUMAN rights group Amnesty International has called on China to allow independent experts to assess the situation in Xinjiang if it really does have "nothing to hide".
Nicholas Bequelin, the group's Regional Director for Asia and the Pacific, tells Sun Online: “We have documented an intensifying government campaign of mass internment, intrusive surveillance, political indoctrination and forced cultural assimilation against Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic groups living in Xinjiang.
“Despite such evidence, China has repeatedly denied that it is carrying out human rights violations in Xinjiang, or even that the camps exist, And it is almost impossible to independently verify their claims given the extreme constraints to reporting in the region.
“But if China has nothing to hide, it should allow independent UN experts to assess the situation and allow Uyghurs and members of other ethnic minorities to freely communicate with their relatives overseas.
"Until now, this is something the Chinese authorities have refused to do.”
One camp survivor, Kairat Samarkan, told Amnesty he was forced to stand in a fixed position for 12 hours when first detained.
He was not allowed to talk to the nearly 6,000 others held in the same camp, and had to chant “Long live Xi Jinping” before meals.
He said his treatment led him to attempt suicide just before his release.
According to an online victims' database, dozens of Uighurs have died while in custody or soon after their release.
Hair products?
In September, US Customs and Border Protection said it would seize any shipments of human hair from the Lop County Hair Product Industrial Park in southern Xinjiang.
That followed two earlier WROs on companies registered within the same area, including the June seizure of 13 tons of human hair worth £600,000 from the firm.
In a statement to The Sun Online, the US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) said: "Forced labor is modern slavery.
"This holiday season, CBP is urging consumers to think twice before they buy cheap goods online and in stores.
"The apparel, hair extensions, laptops, jewelry, cosmetics, and other products that you buy for friends and family may be made under conditions of modern slavery."

20
U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers at the Port of New York seized hair extensions made of human hairCredit: U.S. Customs and Border Protection

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The products were part of shipment of almost 13 tons of hair products worth over £600,000 dollarsCredit: U.S. Customs and Border Protection
After being contacted by The Sun Online, Apple referred to its statement it made in July where it said it had launched a detailed investigation of OFilm Tech after allegations of forced labour surfaced.
This involved dispatching independent third-party investigators to the factory and then conducting surprise audits in June and July, including verifying employee documentation and interviewing with workers in local languages, it said.
Following allegations of forced labour being used in Apple's supply chain, its spokesman said: "We have found no evidence of any forced labor on Apple production lines and we plan to continue monitoring."








Nike told The Sun Online it was concerned about reports of forced labor in, and connected to, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR).
A spokesperson said: “Related to the Taekwang Group, when reports of the situation in XUAR began to surface in 2019 Taekwang stopped hiring new employees from the XUAR to its Qingdao facility and an independent third-party audit confirmed there are no longer any employees from XUAR at the facility.
"Our ongoing diligence has not found evidence of employment of Uyghurs, or other ethnic minorities from the XUAR, elsewhere in our supply chain in China.
"Based on evolving information, we strengthened our audit protocols to identify emerging risks related to potential labor transfer programs."

20
Satellite images show a network of suspected detention camps built by the Chinese government since 2017Credit: Google Earth

20
An estimated 260 sites have been constructed across the Xinjiang province

Worthless propaganda, I can post literally thousands of Uighur personal accounts to show the opposite and how good a life they have now. Wanna bet?

 

[aziqbal]

Worthless propaganda, I can post literally thousands of Uighur personal accounts to show the opposite and how good a life they have now. Wanna bet?

from Chinese Twitter account or do you have independent media and independent judiciary system to prove it

because UN Humans rights commissioner has been refused entry 17 times to Xinjging the same UN of which China is a permanent member

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

whataboutism is not a fallacy and is actually a completely new word invented after the 1940's to deflect accusations of hypocrisy, which is necessary because the inventors of this word were extreme hypocrites.

in fact, accusations of hypocrisy is allowed in a US court of law. for example, it is legal to question the character of a witness during cross examination to establish credibility. If they are proven to have lied in the past, then the witness can be shown to be a liar and their testimony disregarded as unreputable.

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.[1][2][3]

According to Russian writer, chess grandmaster and political activist Garry Kasparov, "whataboutism" is a word that was coined to describe the frequent use of a rhetorical diversion by Soviet apologists and dictators, who would counter charges of their oppression, "massacres, gulags, and forced deportations" by invoking American slavery, racism, lynchings, etc.[4] Whataboutism has been used by other politicians and countries as well.

Whataboutism is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.[5][6][7]

When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would often use "and what about you?" style by instancing of an event or situation in the Western world.[8][9][10] The idea can be found in Russian language: while it utilizes phrase "Sam takoi" for direct tu quoque-like "you too"; it also has "Sam ne lutche" ("not better") phrase.

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.[1][2][3]

According to Russian writer, chess grandmaster and political activist Garry Kasparov, "whataboutism" is a word that was coined to describe the frequent use of a rhetorical diversion by Soviet apologists and dictators, who would counter charges of their oppression, "massacres, gulags, and forced deportations" by invoking American slavery, racism, lynchings, etc.[4] Whataboutism has been used by other politicians and countries as well.

Whataboutism is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.[5][6][7]

When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would often use "and what about you?" style by instancing of an event or situation in the Western world.[8][9][10] The idea can be found in Russian language: while it utilizes phrase "Sam takoi" for direct tu quoque-like "you too"; it also has "Sam ne lutche" ("not better") phrase.

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Doesn't matter. It's legal in US law.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

China is neither the West nor the Soviet Union.

Ever heard of the phrase distinction without a difference? Or whatever the chinese equivalent of that

Doesn't matter. It's legal in US law.

The US is not at court now is it?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Ever heard of the phrase distinction without a difference? Or whatever the chinese equivalent of that


The US is not at court now is it?

but since you're making accusations based on a US invented fallacy, then it stands to reason that I have the right to point out that this invented fallacy is legal in the US.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

but since you're making accusations based on a US invented fallacy, then it stands to reason that I have the right to point out that this invented fallacy is legal in the US.

Every fallacy is invented, chump.The world doesn't stop inventing new terms after 1940 FYI. Address the issues instead of pivoting to another if you don't want to be accused of whataboutism.

I don't think u understand what you just posted. For example If china commits double homicide & the witness is faulty that still doesn't change the fact china is guilty.

 

[OIO]

Ever heard of the phrase distinction without a difference? Or whatever the chinese equivalent of that


The US is not at court now is it?

What about you?

Not knowing the difference of China can only show your ignorance.

 

[beijingwalker]

Young people life in today's Xinjiang, no different from everywhere else in China