All Pakistani F-16s are accounted for: US Govt buries Indian propaganda.

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Pentagon Lashes out India’s claim

Simple u can’t take on Nuclear Armed country with 0.7 M active fighting force who is continously fighting a 4th and 5th Gen wars from past 20 years where as many in Indian Army bcme a commander and even retired without fighting a single war from past two decades. Indian armed forces are no where near to fight direct war with Pakistani military that is what entire world and armed forces of different countries knew very well. The game of months and months is over. The strategy of engagement is changed in the modern battlefields. Buying expensive weapons wont give you any edge, how much you are expert to engage your enemy tactically and smart use of your inventory is a art of modern war. The current Pakistani armed forces, the level of experience, military gadgets, hardware is par with India thats what many sane India defence experts says as well. Pakistan has enuff capability to strike down any conventional and non-conventional conflict and India technically not capable to sustain the response. Just to sent a msg and show-off capability and capacity (silently and loudly awknowldged by many def and security experts), instead of cowardly choose night time, Pakistan entered into the Indian airspace in a broad day light and use stand-off weapons like H series against the Indian military installations its not a foking joke. Next day detecting India’s stealth subs was basically “Kah kar lena” like DG says. Entire India’s defence was literally sitting duck position when PAF rolling over and inside Indian borders. Not even dare to confornt Pakistani airforce fighters even PAF was on their radars. According to Pwani Sowhney (India’s def expert and aud Mag FORCE, the message to our (Indian armed forces) was very clear, Pakis damn care about our so called defence, they did not detter with our 4th largest military. Enterring into our space, bomb our installations when the Bipin and Western command brigade was busy in the meeting of exactly close to the same installation in the broad day light actually exposed our strength and drama of Surgical Strikes 2016 /Airstrikes 2019.... they knw everything. Pakistani intelligence network inside India (Know-how of our mil positions, our chief meetings, our capacity), we must admit instead of making fool to our people, Pakis bluff out our so called defence in front of the world”

How pathetic and unprofessional Tri-Chief of so called 4th largest military holding AIM and making fooled to their janta kay hamnay F16 girya hay now the US Govt Officials who had direct info and knwldge about PAF assets told, “No PAF F16 is missing “. Mr Rona Dhaona should be sack such unprofessional and incompetent chief we have evr seen of any armed force... this is height of...... I mean how any professional force became a tool of govt politics amazing ... amazing... never seen such thing anywhere in the world... these Tri chief must be sack!

 

[waz]

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It would be nice if this US report puts an end to Indian nonsense claims. One more arrow in Modi's behind.

Did India Shoot Down a Pakistani Jet? U.S. Count Says No.
New Delhi and Islamabad had conflicting accounts of a February dogfight.
By Lara Seligman | April 4, 2019, 7:50 PM

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi waves at the public rally in Kolkata, India, on April 3. (Atul Loke/Getty Images)

India’s claim that one of its fighter pilots shot down a Pakistani F-16 fighter jet in an aerial battle between the two nuclear powers in February appears to be wrong. Two senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the situation told Foreign Policy that U.S. personnel recently counted Islamabad’s F-16s and found none missing.

The findings directly contradict the account of Indian Air Force officials, who said that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman managed to shoot down a Pakistani F-16 before his own plane was downed by a Pakistani missile.

It is possible that in the heat of combat, Varthaman, flying a vintage MiG-21 Bison, got a lock on the Pakistani F-16, fired, and genuinely believed he scored a hit. But the count, conducted by U.S. authorities on the ground in Pakistan, sheds doubt on New Delhi’s version of events, suggesting that Indian authorities may have misled the international community about what happened that day.

The news comes just days before the start of India’s general elections, in which Prime Minister Narendra Modi is seeking another term in office. In the weeks leading up to the election, tensions between India and Pakistan escalated to levels not seen in decades after a Pakistan-based militant group killed more than 40 Indian security officers in a Feb. 14 suicide bombing in India-controlled Kashmir. Both sides have been accused of spreading disinformation and fanning nationalistic flames.

Although the news likely won’t sway Indian voters, Vipin Narang, an associate professor of political science at MIT, said the way the events have unfolded may affect India’s efforts to deter Pakistan in the future.

“As details come out, it looks worse and worse for the Indians,” Narang said. “It looks increasingly like India failed to impose significant costs on Pakistan, but lost a plane and a helicopter of its own in the process.”

The dogfight between the two nations occurred on Feb. 27, when India says a group of Pakistani jets entered its airspace in response to the first Indian air raid on Pakistani territory since a 1971 war. India scrambled its own jets and gave chase. During the aerial battle that ensued, Varthaman took a missile hit and ejected safely into Pakistani territory.

He was captured by the Pakistani army and released days later in an effort to de-escalate the crisis.

One of the senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the count said that Pakistan invited the United States to physically count its F-16 planes after the incident as part of an end-user agreement signed when the foreign military sale was finalized. Generally in such agreements, the United States requires the receiving country to allow U.S. officials to inspect the equipment regularly to ensure it is accounted for and protected.

Some of the aircraft were not immediately available for inspection due to the conflict, so it took U.S. personnel several weeks to account for all of the jets, the official said.

But now the count has been completed, and “all aircraft were present and accounted for,” the official said.

Hahahaha where is the stupid India media now? Where’s that moron Modi? Last but not least where are the Indian posters who still insisted that an F-16 had been down just yesterday?
What a pathetic state these folks are in.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

I am running short of time ,can some one tell the name of the source or the name of the official .

pentagon is the source
article was written by Pentagon Correspondent for @foreignpolicy.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

All of Pakistan's F-16 jets accounted for by US personnel, contradicting Indian claims: report

United States (US) officials did a count of Islamabad's F-16 jets recently and found that none were missing, contradicting India's claims that it shot down a Pakistani fighter jet amid heightened tensions between both countries after the Pulwama attack, a Foreign Policy report quoting two senior US defence officials said on Friday.

Following the conflict between the two countries in February, India had claimed that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had used the F-16 to target Indian military installations after crossing the Line of Control. As "proof", a piece of an apparent missile was shown, which Indian media said could only have been fired by an F-16.

Read more: 2 Indian aircraft violating Pakistani airspace shot down; pilot arrested

It also claimed that before an Indian plane was shot down and its pilot captured by Pakistani forces, an Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG Bison had shot down a PAF F-16 aircraft. Pakistan had denied the Indian claims.

New Delhi had also insisted that Pakistan’s alleged use of F-16 against India meant that Islamabad stood in violation of a sales agreement with the US. The US State Department had refused to take a position on India's complaint against Pakistan over using F-16s in the air battle.

Read more: Foreign journalists find holes in Indian narrative on F-16 usage, Balakot strike

According to the report, one of the unnamed senior US defence officials "with direct knowledge of the count" had told Foreign Policy that Pakistan had invited the US to count its F-16 planes after the incident "as part of an end-user agreement signed when the foreign military sale was finalised", the report said.

Foreign Policy added that Washington generally requires countries it strikes such agreements with to allow US officials to inspect equipment on a regular basis and to ensure that it is accounted for and safe.

The official explained that some of the aircraft were not immediately available for inspection after the Pak-India back-and-forth, so it took US personnel a few weeks to account for all the jets.

Find out more: Villagers near Balakot say nobody killed or injured by Indian aircraft

An associate professor of political science at MIT, Vipin Narang, told FP that although the news likely won't affect Indian voters, it may affect Delhi's dealings with Pakistan in the future.

"As details come out, it looks worse and worse for the Indians," Narang said. "It looks increasingly like India failed to impose significant costs on Pakistan, but lost a plane and a helicopter of its own in the process."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1474086/a...-personnel-contradicting-indian-claims-report

 

[usman012]

No , India shot down 24 F-16 .

 

[N.Siddiqui]

US Count Found No Pak F-16s Missing, Contradicts India's Claim: Report

বাংলায় পড়ুনहिंदी में पढ़ें
The Indian Air Force had displayed pieces of the AMRAAM missile, fired by a Pakistani F-16, as evidence. But that, by itself, does not offer any clues on whether Abhinandan Varthaman had shot down a Pakistan Air Force F-16.

Edited by Deepshikha Ghosh | Updated: April 05, 2019 10:25 IST

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Foreign Policy has claimed in a report quoting unnamed US defense officials. "Two senior US defense officials with direct knowledge of the situation told Foreign Policy that U.S. personnel recently counted Islamabad's F-16s and found none missing," the publication says in a report published on Thursday.

The government had said that in an aerial duel on February 27 - a day after India sent fighter jets to Pakistan's Balakot to strike a terror training camp - Indian Air Force pilot Abhinandan Varthaman had engaged with one of the Pakistani fighter jets that tried to target Indian military facilities and shot it down before he was hit and forced to eject. Abhinandan Varthaman landed across the Line of Control and was in Pakistani custody for three days before he was returned to India amid attempts to de-escalate the crisis between the two sides.

The Indian Air Force had on February 28 displayed pieces of the AMRAAM missile, fired by a Pakistani F-16, as evidence. But that, by itself, does not offer any clues on whether Abhinandan Varthaman had shot down a Pakistan Air Force F-16, as has been repeatedly claimed by the government and the IAF.

According to the Foreign Policy magazine, Pakistan invited the United States to physically count its F-16 planes after the incident as part of an end-user agreement signed when the foreign military sale was finalized.

"A US count of Pakistan's F-16 fleet has found that all the jets are present and accounted for, a direct contradiction to India's claim that it shot down one of the fighter jets during a February clash," Lara Seligman of the magazine reports.

The count has been completed, and "all aircraft were present and accounted for", an unnamed official is quoted as saying.

"It is possible that in the heat of combat, Varthaman, flying a vintage MiG-21 Bison, got a lock on the Pakistani F-16, fired, and genuinely believed he scored a hit. But the count, conducted by U.S. authorities on the ground in Pakistan, sheds doubt on New Delhi's version of events, suggesting that Indian authorities may have misled the international community about what happened that day," says Foreign Policy.

The report comes days before voting starts for the April-May national election. Prime Minister Narendra Modi and other top BJP leaders have been accused by the opposition of using the Balakot air strike, which was in response to the February 14 Pulwama terror attack, in their campaign speeches.

India Today, the Defence Minister, Nirmala Sitharaman had said: ''We are definitely saying that an F-16 was knocked out by us and initially, the Pakistan Prime Minister claimed that two pilots were with them. One of the pilots was ours and returned as per the norms. Who is the other pilot?''


https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-...reign-policy-report-2018244?pfrom=home-livetv

 

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1114014359477469184

واشنگٹن: (دنیا نیوز) مودی سرکار کی ایک اور ہار، ایف 16 مار گرانے کا بھارتی جھوٹ بے نقاب ہوگیا۔ امریکی حکام نے تصدیق کی ہے کہ پاکستان کا کوئی طیارے غائب نہیں، سب پاکستان کے پاس موجود ہیں۔


فارن پالیسی میگزین کی ایک رپورٹ نے بھارت کو شٹ اپ کال دے دی۔ رپورٹ میں امریکی حکام کے حوالے سے کہا گیا ہے کہ بھارت نے پاکستان کا کوئی بھی طیارہ نہیں گرایا۔


فارن پالیسی میگزین کی ایک رپورٹ کے مطابق پاکستان نے امریکی اہلکاروں کو آکر ایف 16 گننے کی پیشکش کی تھی جس کے بعد امریکی اہلکاروں نے پاکستان کے ایف 16 طیارے گنے ہیں اور ان کی تعداد پوری ہے۔


امریکی عہدے داروں نے فارن پالیسی کو بتایا کہ بھارت نے جھوٹ بول کر عالمی برادری کو گمراہ کیا، ایف سولہ گرانے کا بھارتی دعویٰ جھوٹ پر مبنی ہے۔ امریکی حکام کے مطابق پاکستان پر ایف 16 طیاروں کو استعمال کرنے پر کوئی پابندی نہیں۔



یاد رہے بھارتی انتخابات سے صرف ایک ہفتہ پہلے نریندر مودی حکومت کا یہ ایک اور پول کھلا ہے۔



http://dunya.com.pk/index.php/dunya-headline/485526_1#.XKbZI6RS_IU

Did India Shoot Down a Pakistani Jet? U.S. Count Says No.
New Delhi and Islamabad had conflicting accounts of a February dogfight.

India’s claim that one of its fighter pilots shot down a Pakistani F-16 fighter jet in an aerial battle between the two nuclear powers in February appears to be wrong. Two senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the situation told Foreign Policy that U.S. personnel recently counted Islamabad’s F-16s and found none missing.

The findings directly contradict the account of Indian Air Force officials, who said that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman managed to shoot down a Pakistani F-16 before his own plane was downed by a Pakistani missile.

It is possible that in the heat of combat, Varthaman, flying a vintage MiG-21 Bison, got a lock on the Pakistani F-16, fired, and genuinely believed he scored a hit. But the count, conducted by U.S. authorities on the ground in Pakistan, sheds doubt on New Delhi’s version of events, suggesting that Indian authorities may have misled the international community about what happened that day.

The news comes just days before the start of India’s general elections, in which Prime Minister Narendra Modi is seeking another term in office. In the weeks leading up to the election, tensions between India and Pakistan escalated to levels not seen in decades after a Pakistan-based militant group killed more than 40 Indian security officers in a Feb. 14 suicide bombing in India-controlled Kashmir. Both sides have been accused of spreading disinformation and fanning nationalistic flames.

Although the news likely won’t sway Indian voters, Vipin Narang, an associate professor of political science at MIT, said the way the events have unfolded may affect India’s efforts to deter Pakistan in the future.

“As details come out, it looks worse and worse for the Indians,” Narang said. “It looks increasingly like India failed to impose significant costs on Pakistan, but lost a plane and a helicopter of its own in the process.”

The dogfight between the two nations occurred on Feb. 27, when India says a group of Pakistani jets entered its airspace in response to the first Indian air raid on Pakistani territory since a 1971 war. India scrambled its own jets and gave chase. During the aerial battle that ensued, Varthaman took a missile hit and ejected safely into Pakistani territory.

He was captured by the Pakistani army and released days later in an effort to de-escalate the crisis.

One of the senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the count said that Pakistan invited the United States to physically count its F-16 planes after the incident as part of an end-user agreement signed when the foreign military sale was finalized. Generally in such agreements, the United States requires the receiving country to allow U.S. officials to inspect the equipment regularly to ensure it is accounted for and protected.

Some of the aircraft were not immediately available for inspection due to the conflict, so it took U.S. personnel several weeks to account for all of the jets, the official said.

But now the count has been completed, and “all aircraft were present and accounted for,” the official said.


https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/04/did-india-shoot-down-a-pakistani-jet-u-s-count-says-no/

 

[NA71]

F16 news now becoming twitter top trend worldwide.

 

[SABRE]

Now they are saying pak bought that F-16 directly from Jordan

The Jordanian theory is absolutely lame. American export rules are very stringent. No F-16s transaction without US approval can take place. If the US approves, the F-16s are registered to the new recipient country and that country is liable to US export control laws. The US will count them amongst the overall fleet of the recipient country. Much like in Pakistan's case the Jordan's F-16s would be counted on a future date by the US as well, but unrelated to this situation. If they find such a transaction took place without their approval it would lead them to impose an embargo on both Jordan and Pakistan. Neither country can risk that. From what I have heard they don't just count 1, 2, 3, ... they thoroughly examine the aircraft, its engines, avionics, etc., make sure the serial numbers are congruent with sales item.

Lastly, why would Pakistan acquire F-16s from Jordan for this conflict when we have our own that are quite capable of taking care of the IAF? Makes no sense.

If Jordan sold anything to us directly then show us the evidence.

 

[war&peace]

what i find worrying is how can another country count how many F 16 is operation in PAF

1+2

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer, hey old pal, who called who's bluff? It's about time GoI decided to do right by Kashmiris.

Without wreckage on the ground, nobody can prove anything for sure.

Two lots of wreckage have been videotaped and circulated widely - by Pakistani sources, not Indian.

India has one aircraft to account for, and it has been accounted for.

It is possible that the second wreck was a UFO. I sincerely hope you are not in the habit of reading aloud to yourself.

 

[Path-Finder]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1113974919325470722

I can predict threats of rape will be made against her! among other vulgarity.

 

[PakSword]

Two lots of wreckage have been videotaped and circulated widely - by Pakistani sources, not Indian.

 

[PakSword]

I am running short of time ,can some one tell the name of the source or the name of the official .

Col. Robert Shazazuddin

 

[ziaulislam]

Without wreckage on the ground, nobody can prove anything for sure.

Two lots of wreckage have been videotaped and circulated widely - by Pakistani sources, not Indian.

India has one aircraft to account for, and it has been accounted for.

It is possible that the second wreck was a UFO. I sincerely hope you are not in the habit of reading aloud to yourself.

none of those look like an f16..straight forward mig21 in and out