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All Pakistani F-16s are accounted for: US Govt buries Indian propaganda.

Umar Nazir said:
Not the first time India boasted. One time their air force claimed sending plane to chase Chinese spy plane away from India. It turned out to be a full moon they were chasing. It gave all the military forum followers a good laugh.:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:
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Did the moon run away, not daring to face the might of Supa Pawa?
 
OK since ISPR owns major US media houses can someone please initiate a NAB reference against them for assets beyond means lol.
 
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Imran criticises BJP over US magazine's report on F16, says truth prevails

Pakistan has denied that one of its planes had been downed by the IAF
Press Trust of India | Islamabad Last Updated at April 6, 2019 17:50 IST

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Saturday accused the BJP of "whipping up war hysteria", saying its false claim of downing a Pakistani F-16 has "backfired", days after a leading American magazine claimed that none of the US-manufactured fighter jets of the PAF were missing.

Washington-based Foreign Policy magazine reported on Thursday that American personnel recently counted the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-16s and found none of the planes missing.

It quoted two senior US defence officials with direct knowledge of the situation.
The Indian Air Force, however, stuck to its stand on Friday, saying that it had conclusive proof of shooting down a PAF F-16 on February 27.

Reacting to the Foreign Policy report, Prime Minister Khan took to Twitter to criticise the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

The truth always prevails and is always the best policy. BJP's attempt to win elections through whipping up war hysteria and false claims of downing a Pak F 16 has backfired with US Defence officials also confirming that no F16 was missing from Pakistan's fleet.
— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) April 6, 2019

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Imran Khan​

The Indian Air Force on February 28 displayed pieces of the AMRAAM missile, fired by a Pakistani F-16, as evidence to "conclusively" prove that Pakistan deployed US-manufactured F-16 fighter jets during an aerial raid targeting Indian military installations in Kashmir.

Pakistan has denied that one of its planes had been downed by the IAF.

According to the magazine, Pakistan invited the US to physically count its F-16 planes after the incident as part of an end-user agreement signed when the foreign military sale was finalized.

"The findings directly contradict the account of Indian Air Force officials, who said that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman managed to shoot down a Pakistani F-16 before his own plane was downed by a Pakistani missile," the report said.

Lara Seligman of the magazine later updated the story, saying "the F-16s Pakistan bought from Jordan have also been included in the count and even third-party transfers of US equipment must go through the US government".
Reacting to the report, the IAF asserted that it had shot down an F-16 aircraft of the PAF on February 27 during aerial combat.

In a statement in New Delhi, the IAF said, "during the aerial engagement, one MiG 21 Bison of the IAF shot down an F-16 in Nowshera sector."

IAF sources also said it has conclusive "circumstantial evidence" including wireless intercepts, signals and graphic captures from airborne warning and control system (AWACS) and electronic signatures to conclude that the F-16 jet was shot down during the aerial combat.

On Friday, the Pakistani military called on India to "speak the truth" about the "actual losses".

Link: https://www.business-standard.com/a...ays-truth-always-prevails-119040600385_1.html
 
For centuries we knew that the Hindu community are superstitious and naive. The social media revolution has worsened their plight.With the constant bombardment of Fake news an army of brain dead zombies has reached a new level.I will not hesitate to say that political parties around the world have committed the same sin via the social media.No wonder we now see looney tunes like Trump,Modi and others running the affairs of the state .
 
They took JFT to a fight against bloody MKI, says alot abt their confidnece in that bird and ofcourse abt their pilot too!
 
RIWWIR said:
You appear to be mistaken. It is not I, who has made this claim. Again see the comments. Probably, you reply is misdirected to me. That is why, I could not gather it.
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My apologises, maybe I have mistaken you for someone else.
 
US officials shoot down Indian claims of F-16 kill
A report in Foreign Policy confirms Asia Times’ article that there is no proof India shot down a Pakistan F-16 fighter
https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/04/article/us-officials-shoot-down-indian-claims-of-f-16-kill/

BySAIKAT DATTA | KUNWAR KHULDUNE SHAHID, NEW DELHI & LAHORE

The US has confirmed that all of the Pakistan Air Force’s F-16s have been accounted for, according to a report in Foreign Policy, published on Friday, April 5. This confirms a March 5 Asia Times article outlining that there was no proof to support Indian claims that an Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-21 had downed the F-16.

In the last week of February, Indian fighter jets hit a suspected terror camp in Balakot, Pakistan, leading to a sudden escalation in tensions between the nuclear-armed South Asian neighbors. The air attacks came in the aftermath of a suicide bomb attack on an Indian police convoy in Kashmir that killed 40 troopers. This led to the use of air power by both countries for the first time since the 1971 war.

Pakistan military sources told Asia Times that the F-16 fleet was assembled at the Sargodha air base where the US officials conducted the count. The military sources further confirmed that while the images of the missile heads had been leaked a couple of weeks ago, the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) was waiting for the US officials’ confirmation of the F-16 audit before formally releasing the picture.

Counter claims
All four missiles on board the Indian MiG-21 were recovered from the wreckage after it was shot down by Pakistan air defense, inquiries by Asia Times revealed. The pilot, wing commander Abhinandan Varthaman, was captured by Pakistani authorities but released the next day after the US, UAE and Saudi Arabia intervened. The release led to a de-escalation of tensions between India and Pakistan.

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Pakistan’s military spokesperson released pictures of the missiles on board the downed Indian MiG-21. Photo: Courtesy Pakistan DGISPR

The image of the four missiles officially released by Pakistan shows debris from two R-77 Adder and two R-73 Archer missiles recovered from the MiG-21. “If all the missiles are accounted for, then how can the Indians claim that one was fired by Wing Commander Abhinandan that took out an F-16,” a senior Pakistani air force official told Asia Times.

The image shows two missiles, one R-73 and one R-77, slightly more damaged than the other two. Given that both wings of the crashed MiG-21 had a pair of missiles underneath it, aviation experts say that the two missiles that are more damaged are likely to have hit the ground when the MiG-21 crashed. Each of these missiles has four components – guidance and control section, warhead, fuse and rocket motor.

Pakistani military sources familiar with the matter confirmed that the sections broke into their four segments upon impact with the ground. The rocket motor of two missiles was burnt in the ensuing fire.

While there were claims that the burnt motors signify that the missiles were fired, experts say that given that the rocket motor’s tube is only broken into pieces – not destroyed – it’s unlikely that the missiles were launched. “If a rocket motor has fired its tube remains intact unless it collides with another plane and explodes – that portion is completely missing in these missiles. That’s because the two lower wing missiles exploded after ground impact after the plane caught fire,” a senior PAF official told Asia Times.

India has claimed that its MiG-21 destroyed the F-16 before the pilot ejected. They have cited Abhinandan’s last radio transmission saying that he is “locked on” as evidence of their claims. They also briefed a few Indian journalists and apparently showed them radar images after the Foreign Policy report was published, quoting two Pentagon officials who were familiar with the audit of the Pakistani F-16s.

Ironically, Indian authorities had approached the US pointing out that the use of F-16s by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), was a violation of the end-user agreements. This led the US to carry out the audit of the F-16s that revealed that all the combat jets, including those that were acquired from Jordan, were accounted for. A strict third-party-transfer (TPT) agreement covers the jets sold by Jordan to Pakistan.

However, some have questioned the image released by Pakistan stating that only the front portion of the R-73 Archer missile was on display, suggesting it could have been launched and brought down the F-16. However, according to senior IAF pilots, the R-73 missile has a proximity fuse, that detonates the entire missile when it homes in on the target. “…The infrared seeker right in front is completely destroyed when it detonates. No part is left intact,” the senior IAF official told Asia Times.

No Black Box

Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of the F-16, said the company had not received any contact from Pakistan over the F-16. “Usually, the original equipment manufacturer is immediately contacted when their aircraft goes down. However, there was no inquiry sent from Pakistan,” a senior official said. “This adds further credence that no F-16 was lost.”

Officials pointed out that the MiG-21 had a black box, which is now in Pakistan’s possession. Indian air force officials contend it cannot be deciphered by Pakistan. However, the black box could have been sent to Lockheed Martin to check Indian claims that wing commander Abhinandan had fired a missile. “However, since there is no such discussion, and since no black box was sent to Lockheed Martin by Pakistan, it is safe to assume that no F-16 was shot down,” the official said.

Others have argued that Lockheed Martin’s bid to sell more combat jets to India could be influenced if Indian claims were proven true. However, officials said that the very fact that India claimed the F-16 kill, would make it difficult for India to explore the purchase of 114 modern combat jets through Lockheed Martin. India had rejected the F-16 more than a decade ago and favored the French Rafale combat jet.

Pakistani confusion

In the early hours of February 27, when Indian jets flew into Pakistan chasing the country’s jets, a spokesperson of the Pakistani military stated that “two pilots” had been recovered. This was repeated by Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan. However, it has also been pointed out that there were two Pakistani military units that had seen the aircraft crash and the pilot eject.

Both the Pakistani military units, the 7th battalion of the Northern Light Infantry and the 658 Mujahid Battalion simultaneously rushed towards the downed Indian pilot. Apparently, both reported capturing the pilot, leading to the confusion in Rawalpindi that they had captured two pilots. However, Asia Times could not independently confirm this version.

India claims to have intercepted communications between two Pakistani military units speaking about capturing two pilots. India insists that one of the two was the F-16 pilot and the Pakistani troops on the ground had detained him as a case of “mistaken identity.” However, Pakistan officials point out that their troops can easily make out the identity of either pilot from the squadron patches and flags on the G-suit of the fighter pilots. Either way, this confusion has never been fully explained by either side.

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As I said previously, a third party transaction of US weapons needs US approval. Jordan cannot sell Pakistan its F-16 without prior knowledge and consent of the US. The re-exported weapon is registered to the new recipient country by the US, and once the transaction is complete the weapon system is accounted for in the recipient country's tally.

The last bold and zoomed paragraph highlights why there was a confusion about two pilots being captured.
 
SABRE said:
US officials shoot down Indian claims of F-16 kill
A report in Foreign Policy confirms Asia Times’ article that there is no proof India shot down a Pakistan F-16 fighter
https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/04/article/us-officials-shoot-down-indian-claims-of-f-16-kill/

BySAIKAT DATTA | KUNWAR KHULDUNE SHAHID, NEW DELHI & LAHORE

The US has confirmed that all of the Pakistan Air Force’s F-16s have been accounted for, according to a report in Foreign Policy, published on Friday, April 5. This confirms a March 5 Asia Times article outlining that there was no proof to support Indian claims that an Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-21 had downed the F-16.

In the last week of February, Indian fighter jets hit a suspected terror camp in Balakot, Pakistan, leading to a sudden escalation in tensions between the nuclear-armed South Asian neighbors. The air attacks came in the aftermath of a suicide bomb attack on an Indian police convoy in Kashmir that killed 40 troopers. This led to the use of air power by both countries for the first time since the 1971 war.

Pakistan military sources told Asia Times that the F-16 fleet was assembled at the Sargodha air base where the US officials conducted the count. The military sources further confirmed that while the images of the missile heads had been leaked a couple of weeks ago, the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) was waiting for the US officials’ confirmation of the F-16 audit before formally releasing the picture.

Counter claims
All four missiles on board the Indian MiG-21 were recovered from the wreckage after it was shot down by Pakistan air defense, inquiries by Asia Times revealed. The pilot, wing commander Abhinandan Varthaman, was captured by Pakistani authorities but released the next day after the US, UAE and Saudi Arabia intervened. The release led to a de-escalation of tensions between India and Pakistan.

WhatsApp-Image-2019-04-06-at-08.28.46.jpeg

Pakistan’s military spokesperson released pictures of the missiles on board the downed Indian MiG-21. Photo: Courtesy Pakistan DGISPR

The image of the four missiles officially released by Pakistan shows debris from two R-77 Adder and two R-73 Archer missiles recovered from the MiG-21. “If all the missiles are accounted for, then how can the Indians claim that one was fired by Wing Commander Abhinandan that took out an F-16,” a senior Pakistani air force official told Asia Times.

The image shows two missiles, one R-73 and one R-77, slightly more damaged than the other two. Given that both wings of the crashed MiG-21 had a pair of missiles underneath it, aviation experts say that the two missiles that are more damaged are likely to have hit the ground when the MiG-21 crashed. Each of these missiles has four components – guidance and control section, warhead, fuse and rocket motor.

Pakistani military sources familiar with the matter confirmed that the sections broke into their four segments upon impact with the ground. The rocket motor of two missiles was burnt in the ensuing fire.

While there were claims that the burnt motors signify that the missiles were fired, experts say that given that the rocket motor’s tube is only broken into pieces – not destroyed – it’s unlikely that the missiles were launched. “If a rocket motor has fired its tube remains intact unless it collides with another plane and explodes – that portion is completely missing in these missiles. That’s because the two lower wing missiles exploded after ground impact after the plane caught fire,” a senior PAF official told Asia Times.

India has claimed that its MiG-21 destroyed the F-16 before the pilot ejected. They have cited Abhinandan’s last radio transmission saying that he is “locked on” as evidence of their claims. They also briefed a few Indian journalists and apparently showed them radar images after the Foreign Policy report was published, quoting two Pentagon officials who were familiar with the audit of the Pakistani F-16s.

Ironically, Indian authorities had approached the US pointing out that the use of F-16s by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), was a violation of the end-user agreements. This led the US to carry out the audit of the F-16s that revealed that all the combat jets, including those that were acquired from Jordan, were accounted for. A strict third-party-transfer (TPT) agreement covers the jets sold by Jordan to Pakistan.

However, some have questioned the image released by Pakistan stating that only the front portion of the R-73 Archer missile was on display, suggesting it could have been launched and brought down the F-16. However, according to senior IAF pilots, the R-73 missile has a proximity fuse, that detonates the entire missile when it homes in on the target. “…The infrared seeker right in front is completely destroyed when it detonates. No part is left intact,” the senior IAF official told Asia Times.

No Black Box

Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of the F-16, said the company had not received any contact from Pakistan over the F-16. “Usually, the original equipment manufacturer is immediately contacted when their aircraft goes down. However, there was no inquiry sent from Pakistan,” a senior official said. “This adds further credence that no F-16 was lost.”

Officials pointed out that the MiG-21 had a black box, which is now in Pakistan’s possession. Indian air force officials contend it cannot be deciphered by Pakistan. However, the black box could have been sent to Lockheed Martin to check Indian claims that wing commander Abhinandan had fired a missile. “However, since there is no such discussion, and since no black box was sent to Lockheed Martin by Pakistan, it is safe to assume that no F-16 was shot down,” the official said.

Others have argued that Lockheed Martin’s bid to sell more combat jets to India could be influenced if Indian claims were proven true. However, officials said that the very fact that India claimed the F-16 kill, would make it difficult for India to explore the purchase of 114 modern combat jets through Lockheed Martin. India had rejected the F-16 more than a decade ago and favored the French Rafale combat jet.

Pakistani confusion

In the early hours of February 27, when Indian jets flew into Pakistan chasing the country’s jets, a spokesperson of the Pakistani military stated that “two pilots” had been recovered. This was repeated by Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan. However, it has also been pointed out that there were two Pakistani military units that had seen the aircraft crash and the pilot eject.

Both the Pakistani military units, the 7th battalion of the Northern Light Infantry and the 658 Mujahid Battalion simultaneously rushed towards the downed Indian pilot. Apparently, both reported capturing the pilot, leading to the confusion in Rawalpindi that they had captured two pilots. However, Asia Times could not independently confirm this version.

India claims to have intercepted communications between two Pakistani military units speaking about capturing two pilots. India insists that one of the two was the F-16 pilot and the Pakistani troops on the ground had detained him as a case of “mistaken identity.” However, Pakistan officials point out that their troops can easily make out the identity of either pilot from the squadron patches and flags on the G-suit of the fighter pilots. Either way, this confusion has never been fully explained by either side.

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As I said previously, a third party transaction of US weapons needs US approval. Jordan cannot sell Pakistan its F-16 without prior knowledge and consent of the US. The re-exported weapon is registered to the new recipient country by the US, and once the transaction is complete the weapon system is accounted for in the recipient country's tally.

The last bold and zoomed paragraph highlights why there was a confusion about two pilots being captured.
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Pilot number confusion happens all the time and was corrected very quickly ..it took just hours for ISPR to report everything

This has laid to rest any ambiguity that either f16 or balakot strike ever happened!
 
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