India has anything worthy to steal? Please don't think you are on par with US. India has nothing sophisticated compare to China technology.
India has yet to move beyond theory to real HGV testing. Only Russia, China and US has conducted
All new CX-1 supersonic anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM) - Chinese Answer to Brahmos
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India has anything worthy to steal? Please don't think you are on par with US. India has nothing sophisticated compare to China technology.
India has yet to move beyond theory to real HGV testing. Only Russia, China and US has conducted
Yes, i mention this few years back. But many are sceptical of my call which I think is the only reason China wanted the Su-35. This is a win win situation for both Russia, China and Pakistan. First , Russia will not bear the wrath from India then the Russian will push all blames to China. Theres nothing India can do to China for reselling the Su-35 planes to PAF. Finally, PAF will able to obtain Russia high end Su-35 for long range strike roles.
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Very well said
I also think we should take that path to purchase stuff from Russia, if China can not provide us systems due to their own needs, the good thing is about taking that way to procure Su-35s for PAF will be that China will make sure that Pakistan don't have issues in maintaining them.
luks like f22, this cx 1 missile and jian 20 is just like chinese copy of i phone 5 but when you operate them you get to know the reality that its a piece of chinese crap. but dont worry, we will buy f 35s if we have to
J-20 is better than anything of the 4.5th gen Rafale INdia is going to induct. I bet you don't even realised it until you get shot down. You see India can only look forward foreign products. Can't even produce a decent weapon to satisfy local market. This is your so called India pride? So sad. An the final nail is India is broke and no money to afford F-35. You have to stick with the Russia inflated PAKFA.
And up you can go back being biggest sucker of Russia arms. 
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No need to engage the troll!
Big slap of you Indian... Yes yes yes, China made worthless product and import most from China.
India's trade: full list of exports, imports and partner countries | News | The Guardian
U indian import 28billions of worthless cheap made in China product which is the biggest trade partner.
Your made in China worthless product is based on emotional becos of jealousy. I have data and link to prove China makes quality and workable product which many loves to buy. That included weapons. You indian wanted to be ostrich and hide your head is ok. End of the day, you indians can only survive in Indian forum, self bragging and continue your dream of superpower in 2012. You better don't use any PC or smartphone, tablet to reply my post. Becos its one of the cheap worthless made in China product.
Indian will overtake China after 999 years time
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China's CX-1 Missile Now Exportable
Nov. 30, 2014 - 02:04PM |
By WENDELL MINNICK |
CX-1 supersonic anti-ship cruise missile at the Zhuhai Airshow in China. (Wendell Minnick / Staff)
On display at the recent Airshow China in Zhuhai, the missile resembles India’s BrahMos cruise missile with a large intake in the nose, referred to as the “axial symmetrical inlet” in the brochure. However, that appears to be the only similarity, according to Chinese-language media outlets, which mention differences in wing, guidance vanes and jet vanes of the two missiles.
Russia’s NPO Mashinostroyenia (NPOM) and India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation jointly developed the BrahMos, basing it on the NPOM’s Yakhont (P-800 Oniks) missile.
Vasiliy Kashin, a researcher at Moscow’s Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, disputed Chinese media reports that denied a connection. He said the CX-1 is likely based in part on the BrahMos surface-to-surface missile, “but Russia did not sell this to China or offer enough data to China to build one.” However, Russia has sold the missile to other states in the region, including Indonesia and Vietnam, “so it is conceivable one or more of those states could have provided some details to China,” he said.
Andrew Erickson, a China military specialist at the US Naval War College and coauthor of the book “A Low-Visibility Force Multiplier: Assessing China’s Cruise Missile Ambitions,” said that while the CX-1’s “precise provenance remains uncertain, the overall capabilities of China’s cruise missile industry are clearly significant.”
China continues to pursue foreign technological sources actively, “but is able to combine multiple technologies and vectors of inspiration with genuine indigenous capabilities to produce major new systems of its own,” he said.
Kashin said the CX-1 is a product of the Chinese Academy of Launch Technology (CALT), or the 1st Academy under the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp. Most of China’s cruise missiles, including the most advanced ones, are developed by China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp.’s 3rd Academy.
Kashin said though it is unusual for CALT to be “in this game, they do have very strong aerodynamics experts and other capabilities that they can parlay into competing in the ballistic missile and cruise missile sectors.”
The CX-1 display at Zhuhai indicates the missile comes in two variants; the CX-1A ship-borne system and CX-1B road-mobile land-based system. With a range of 40 to 280 kilometers, the missile can carry a 260-kilogram warhead. These numbers are below Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) restrictions that ban missiles carrying payloads greater than 500 kilograms at ranges exceeding 300 kilometers.
However, Kashin suggested these numbers could be designed to mislead and that the actual capabilities of the missile might be greater than MTCR restrictions.
At speeds of Mach 3, the missile can strike a target within a circular error probability of 20 meters, according to the display. Warheads include a unitary semi-armor-piercing warhead for ships and a unitary fragmentation-blast warhead and unitary penetration warhead for land attack.
Each road-mobile launcher carries two missiles. When attacking a slow target, such as a ship, the missile can make a terminal horizontal attack by combining high and low cruise and employ the compound guidance of a strap-down inertial measurement unit and active radar seeker.
A land-based road-mobile unit would consist of one command vehicle, one integrated support vehicle, three launching vehicles, three transporter-loader vehicle and 12 canisters for two-wave attacks.
Airshow China, known officially as the 10th China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition, was held Nov. 11-16 in Zhuhai. ■
Email: wminnick@defensenews.com.
Nov. 30, 2014 - 02:04PM |
By WENDELL MINNICK |
CX-1 supersonic anti-ship cruise missile at the Zhuhai Airshow in China. (Wendell Minnick / Staff)
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On display at the recent Airshow China in Zhuhai, the missile resembles India’s BrahMos cruise missile with a large intake in the nose, referred to as the “axial symmetrical inlet” in the brochure. However, that appears to be the only similarity, according to Chinese-language media outlets, which mention differences in wing, guidance vanes and jet vanes of the two missiles.
Russia’s NPO Mashinostroyenia (NPOM) and India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation jointly developed the BrahMos, basing it on the NPOM’s Yakhont (P-800 Oniks) missile.
Vasiliy Kashin, a researcher at Moscow’s Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, disputed Chinese media reports that denied a connection. He said the CX-1 is likely based in part on the BrahMos surface-to-surface missile, “but Russia did not sell this to China or offer enough data to China to build one.” However, Russia has sold the missile to other states in the region, including Indonesia and Vietnam, “so it is conceivable one or more of those states could have provided some details to China,” he said.
Andrew Erickson, a China military specialist at the US Naval War College and coauthor of the book “A Low-Visibility Force Multiplier: Assessing China’s Cruise Missile Ambitions,” said that while the CX-1’s “precise provenance remains uncertain, the overall capabilities of China’s cruise missile industry are clearly significant.”
China continues to pursue foreign technological sources actively, “but is able to combine multiple technologies and vectors of inspiration with genuine indigenous capabilities to produce major new systems of its own,” he said.
Kashin said the CX-1 is a product of the Chinese Academy of Launch Technology (CALT), or the 1st Academy under the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp. Most of China’s cruise missiles, including the most advanced ones, are developed by China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp.’s 3rd Academy.
Kashin said though it is unusual for CALT to be “in this game, they do have very strong aerodynamics experts and other capabilities that they can parlay into competing in the ballistic missile and cruise missile sectors.”
The CX-1 display at Zhuhai indicates the missile comes in two variants; the CX-1A ship-borne system and CX-1B road-mobile land-based system. With a range of 40 to 280 kilometers, the missile can carry a 260-kilogram warhead. These numbers are below Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) restrictions that ban missiles carrying payloads greater than 500 kilograms at ranges exceeding 300 kilometers.
However, Kashin suggested these numbers could be designed to mislead and that the actual capabilities of the missile might be greater than MTCR restrictions.
At speeds of Mach 3, the missile can strike a target within a circular error probability of 20 meters, according to the display. Warheads include a unitary semi-armor-piercing warhead for ships and a unitary fragmentation-blast warhead and unitary penetration warhead for land attack.
Each road-mobile launcher carries two missiles. When attacking a slow target, such as a ship, the missile can make a terminal horizontal attack by combining high and low cruise and employ the compound guidance of a strap-down inertial measurement unit and active radar seeker.
A land-based road-mobile unit would consist of one command vehicle, one integrated support vehicle, three launching vehicles, three transporter-loader vehicle and 12 canisters for two-wave attacks.
Airshow China, known officially as the 10th China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition, was held Nov. 11-16 in Zhuhai. ■
Email: wminnick@defensenews.com.
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China's CX-1 missile is not copy of BrahMos: Ex-DRDO scientist
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A noted defence scientist today rejected suggestions that China's new missile Chaoxun-1 (CX-1) was a copy of Indian supersonic cruise missile BrahMos.
The technology used in CX-1 and BrahMos, an Indo-Russian joint production, was completely different, said A Sivathanu Pillai, who formerly served as Chief Controller of Research and Development at DRDO.
In outward appearance, CX-1 resembles BrahMos, but similarity ends there. Both missiles are different products in terms of engine and other technological parameters. The Chinese missile has nothing to do with BrahMos, he maintained.
Pillai, a Padma Bhushan awardee and founder-CEO and Managing Director of BrahMos Aerospace Pvt Ltd, is also called "the father of BrahMos".
The distinguished scientist, who was here to take part in a function at IIM-Indore, was talking to reporters on sidelines of the event.
Pillai said it was wrong to speculate that Russia had leaked BrahMos' technology to China so that the latter could produce a similar missile.
The supersonic cruise missile underwent first successful flight test in 2001 and since then superior versions of the weapon system have been developed, he said.
Pillai said to realise Prime Minister Narendra Modi's ambitious 'Make in India' programme, there was a need to build a military-industry complex in the country in partnership between public and private companies.
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I'll be honest, the CX-1 doesn't seem amazing. I would prefer the YJ-12/YJ-18.
Also, why did they spend time creating a missile based on the P-800 if they could just spent the time creating a hypersonic cruise missile? Even India is developing a hypersonic Brahmos.
Also, why did they spend time creating a missile based on the P-800 if they could just spent the time creating a hypersonic cruise missile? Even India is developing a hypersonic Brahmos.
They want to destroy the myth that, India has some silver bullets over PLAN. Probably CX-1 started as a target practice missile. Using in blue vs red scenario exercise to find means to counter it. Remember type 730 CIWS claimed it can knock out Mach 4 speed ASM.
Probably this is the target missile which use on to prove the CIWS system. As the developer wants to earn some hardcash for R&D fund. they decide to export this missile.
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