Alienation Of Indian Muslims

[Goodperson]

Dear Goodperson; sir
well , i just wanted to add a bit, its been long enough that india should come clean on this particullar issue, if india wants to be seen as a biggest democracy of the world, where different communities of the society can find the protection.
its very due on india, to take on growing HINDU EXTREMISTS, if not then , india doesnt deserved to be called the worlds biggesst democracy?

India is a biggest democracy, But we do have our share of extremist and fundamentalist of various religions and sect. Any issue between them can flareup the environment and is reflected in Media which is quite fair. But it does not mean we are not democracy.
Such culprits exists in every society even in communist and not democratic countries, few such incidents do not reflect on the policies of nation.

 

[batmannow]

India is a biggest democracy, But we do have our share of extremist and fundamentalist of various religions and sect. Any issue between them can flareup the environment and is reflected in Media which is quite fair. But it does not mean we are not democracy.
Such culprits exists in every society even in communist and not democratic countries, few such incidents do not reflect on the policies of nation.

offcourse, yes but it only, reflects the growing power of hindu extremists in indian culture & it can be seen as danger, which can undertake the indian democrcy?

 

[Desipride]

6 Muslims were burnt alive by miscreants how does Geo.Tv know the extremist Hindus did it?

"Police are trying to determine if it was linked to the communal tension brewing in Bhainsa."

Even the Police is clueless how does this Pakistani media house know ? Is it not trying to inflame the public opinion ?

This is not a state sponsored pogrom so chill, the guilty will be severely punished and isn't this offtopic ?

 

[anand]

Pathetic....these animals should be dealt with iron fist.

 

[doobie86]

ridiculous man, they need to catch those people and really, really make an example out of those fools. this cannot be allowed to go unpunished, regardless of what the constitution and law says,crimes of this nature need to be dealt with excessive severity. we can keep flaunting our constitution and secular policies but until they are strictly enforced people like the ones in the article won't get it, we're a secular nation and if you can't deal with that you either leave or we make you leave.

 

[PeaceForAll]

I was doing a bit of digging on why this happened in the first place..

4 killed in communal riots in AP
Friday, 10 October , 2008, 22:27


Hyderabad: Four people were killed and 15 others were injured in communal riots and police firing on Friday in an Andhra Pradesh town, officials said.

The violence broke out during the immersion procession of Durga idols in Bhainsa town in Adilabad district, about 280 km from here.


The trouble began after Friday prayers. While one group claimed that the participants in the procession pelted stones at a place of worship, the other group alleged that some people pelted stones at the procession from the place of worship.

The two groups attacked each other with stones and also looted and set afire 40 shops and 12 vehicles. Some miscreants barged into a ginning factory and torched three cotton-laden trucks, the police said.

The police caned clashing groups and, when this failed to have any effect, opened fire in the air. Police officials said they opened fire on the violent mobs after firing 35 rounds in the air.

Prohibitory orders banning assembly of five or more persons have been imposed in the entire town and additional police forces were being rushed from other parts of the district.


so there s no clear evidence to prove that the hindus have done such a thing without provocation. By this I am not stating that the Muslims started it. I am just saying that some ati-social elements have taken advantage of the situation and insane people have gone ga ga over it.

Honestly, I do not like if we decide who s at fault just by looking at one incident. Thats exactly what happens about Pakistan in other countries.

 

[ejaz007]

Six burnt alive in Adilabad
S. Harpal Singh

BHAINSA (ADILABAD DT.): Six members of a family, including three children, were burnt alive at Vatoli village near Bhainsa town in Adilabad district of Andhra Pradesh in the early hours of Sunday.

The incident comes as a sequel to the communal flare-up that claimed three lives in Bhainsa town on October 10.

The six belonged to a tailor’s family, one of only two families belonging to a particular community in this small village about 12 km from the communally sensitive Bhainsa town. The badly charred bodies of the head of the family, his wife, daughter and three grand children were extracted from the debris in one of the three rooms of the tiled house. The daughter had come home from Himayatnagar in Maharashtra with her child and her aunt’s two sons.

While neighbours said they did not hear anything, relatives of the victims said they noticed the house on fire at about 2 a.m. They contacted the fire force. Though the fire was doused, the bodies were discovered only in the morning.

The family is said to have had cordial relations with the neighbours. “Had the family head feared for his life he would not have attended a bhajan programme organised that day,” a villager pointed out. He is said to have returned at about midnight. One of the theories being looked into is the role of outsiders in the crime.

Home Minister K. Jana Reddy, who visited Vatoli accompanied by Labour Minister G. Vinod and Director General of Police S.S.P. Yadav, said a CBI inquiry would be sought into the incident. He ordered a judicial inquiry into the conspiracy part and a CB-CID inquiry into the loss of lives and destruction of property in the Bhainsa violence.

To control further spread of violence and instil confidence among the people here, the Rapid Action Force would be deployed, he said.

Majlis Ittehadul Muslimeen president Asaduddin Owaisi and State secretary of the Communist Party of India K. Narayana also visited Vatoli and Bhainsa.

The Hindu : Front Page : Six burnt alive in Adilabad

 

[aerial]

By Mushirul Hasan

08 October, 2008

Countercurrents.org

The extent to which the Indian society is getting polarised along religious lines is very disturbing. If this is the state of affairs almost seven decades after independence, what might happen a few decades later? This is not the time to attribute responsibility to different parties or communities. This is a moment for self-reflection and for finding out what gives rise to this mindless violence.

The other very disquieting fact is how the electronic media and sections of the Hindi print media have taken upon themselves the responsibility of being the custodian of the nation’s interest. The arrogance and intolerance in their coverage reflects a very ominous trend in the history of journalism. I have experienced this recently. The Jamia encounter in New Delhi was not a big affair, it could have been easily sorted out, but it was turned into a campaign against a university. Students of the Jamia Millia Islamia University were arrested without charge, they were denied access to lawyers and even their parents could not meet them. On top of it the university was blamed and its reputation was attacked. A student of the London School of Economics (LSE) was nabbed very recently by the police — does it mean that the LSE has become a hotbed of terrorism? This is senseless.

The university’s doors are open to non-Muslims; it’s teachers are drawn from all communities. Compare our record with that of other so-called secular universities where Muslims have limited access — Benaras Hindu University, Allahabad University and even Delhi University — then what are we questioning?

I think we have to fight back. We have tolerated this nonsense for far too long. We demonstrate to the people that the media are not trustworthy and that they only sensationalize events. Jamia Millia is a secular institution funded by the Central Government. The question of legal aid is not being looked at from the perspective of a teacher’s responsibility to her students. As the head of the institution, I feel I have an obligation towards my students and I am not using the taxpayer’s money for it. The real issue is of principle. If this had happened to a non-Muslim student, I would have done the same. I am also upholding the rule of law. Why have we forgotten the principle that says that an accused is innocent until proven guilty?

In the ultimate analysis, our society, which has gone through the Khalistan movement and experienced terrorism in the Northeast, must look at these incidents in a more cool-headed manner. You can’t fight it by reacting in a hysterical manner. Our police is becoming more and more politicized and communalized. We haven’t oriented them into becoming the custodians of the secular values enshrined in our constitution. Over the past 10 years, there has been a systematic pattern — Deoband University, an institution with a glorious record, has been targeted. So has Nadvat-ul-Ulema in Lucknow. Attacking the Aligarh University is not new, despite it being a modern institution with its doors open to students of all communities. Is there a pattern in this madness? We need to reflect on these issues. The alienation is very deep and it has to stop. Instead of supporting us, which would also mean supporting an institution committed to secular values, there are attempts to undermine our secular foundations.

We are dealing with a younger generation of Muslims. I believe in liberal, eclectic and pluralist values, but I suspect this vision will not be shared by those who feel insecure and excluded, socially and culturally. Why have the guilty in Gujarat not been punished? Why? Why? Why? Why is the VHP and Bajrang Dal not banned for killing innocent Christians and desecrating their churches?

I regard myself, as do millions of others, as part of the edifice that is called India. The idea of India is my idea. There is no India without me and I will not let that change. We have already taken certain steps to counter subversive ideas that might fracture our secular society. I appeal to civil society and the media to let us live in peace and get on with our simple and innocent job i.e. pursuit of knowledge. There is a limit to what one can tolerate. Nobody dare question our commitment to education, and our loyalty to the Indian Constitution.

– Hasan is Vice-Chancellor of Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi, India

Alienation Of Indian Muslims By Mushirul Hasan

Mr munshi tell me one thing why the hell you bring india in your all tpoics ? i read your post reagrding cri where blag lost to nz
and you brought your selectors in midddle comparing to your courrpt poltician (according to you) blooooooby hell. from your post which i have rread from
this forum i can draw one conculision you are frustrated person
whow see wrong every where . and plase dont bring religion eveywhere

 

[s90]

Recently Indian Army officer was arrested behind a mosque bombing

 

[BanglaBhoot]

So who raised this thread from the dead .....?

A new tactic of some of the Indians on this forum appears to be to find issues to criticize me with while shooting themselves in the foot.

I post on many subjects but its the Indian related ones that seem to catch the eye. It really is not my fault that there is so much information against India on the net. This must mean something .....

 

[Neo]

Prospects of Hindu terrorism in India​

At least 10 people, including a serving Lieutenant Colonel Prashad Srikant Purohit and a Hindu monk and nun, have been arrested over alleged involvement in bomb explosions that killed four people in the Muslim-dominated town of Malegaon in the western Maharashtra state in India. The network is linked to another arrested former major Ramesh Upadhyay who represents the terrorist organisation Abhinav Bharat. The accused Lt Col Purohit is also being investigated over a bomb attack in February 2007 that killed 68 people on the Samjhauta Express, a “friendship” train between Delhi and Lahore, killing mostly Pakistani passengers. Investigators fear that the trail will go on to net more serving and retired officers.

The colonel has confessed to the Samjhauta Express blast and foreclosed the “options” of “conspiracy” screamed by some Hindutva politicians. Col Purohit has also confessed to training Hindu terrorists who had taken to attacking Muslims and has told investigators that he not only trained the Samjhauta Express terrorists, he also supplied them with the explosives to do the job. The intent he says was to cause armed conflict between Pakistan and India so that anti-Muslim passions could be nurtured in India, leading to violence.

Indian analysts are now worried about Hindu terrorism. Some of it has been on display for a long time against the Muslim community. Some of it is recent, targeting Christian missionaries and Christian converts. Because of the rise of Hindu fundamentalism in the 1980s, or a revival of old Hindu supremacist thinkers like Savarkar, who was behind the killing of Gandhi, India is now open to terrorism that is lashing out at the state. People are accustomed to voting the BJP to power as an alternative to the Congress and that in turn empowers the grand Hindu fundamentalist alliance called the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) that contains such extremist outfits as Bajrang Dal.

The Indian state of Gujarat that supplied India with some of its great moderate leaders and gave birth to the trading elite that has brought great prestige to the country, is now ruled by the BJP even after its government was found complicit in the carnage of Muslims. What will Hindu terrorism look like if, God forbid, it should spread into other provinces and the state proves too weak to tackle it? Will it take the shape of the Taliban violence in Pakistan? Will the Indian state be forced to retreat in the face of the terrorists because of its vulnerability to religion? Will the terrorists use intimidation to force the civilian population to elect extremists to power?

While terrorism derives strength from the general disorder prevailing around the globe, the Indian state was thought to be different, being secular constitutionally. But the rise of Hindu fundamentalists has begun to challenge the state and Indian analysts worry that there may be greater penetration of Hindutva ideology in the armed forces. The BJP has been wooing officers and brought into its fold many former generals, giving them tickets to contest elections for Lok Sabha. One former general affiliated with the BJP is a chief minister and one former governor S K Sinha stirred communal passions to a point where the Indian Held Kashmir is up in protest against New Delhi. There is no central dogma in Hinduism which the Hindu terrorist can refer to but Hindutva is being transformed into a dogmatic creed with Hindus agreeing to kill non-Hindus. Given that Lt Col Purohit was working in the Military Intelligence Directorate, the possibility of the intelligence agencies having been tainted can hardly be ignored.

Political parties like the BJP have built upon the idea of the Hindu state on the basis of an ideology that indicts the Muslims for having ruled India and imposed their religion on the local population. What is happening today is the high point of this “reaction” to the state’s alleged “pampering” of the Muslim minority even though the Muslims of India are a most backward and disadvantaged community and need affirmative action from the secular state to improve their lot. This “reactive” terrorism may not terrorise the world directly but if it gets out of hand within the region, it will have an indirect larger impact by spurring on the Muslim fundamentalists that are already gearing up for an Armageddon. It could also suck in Bangladesh.

On the plus side, the discovery of a connection between the Indian army and the Hindu fundamentalist could galvanise New Delhi into adopting a new policy that reduces focus on Pakistan as the origin of all such violence in India. The unravelling of the mystery of the Samjhauta Express blasts will hopefully bring India and Pakistan together and reduce their mutual recrimination. Once this trend subsides, the populations of the two countries will be freed from the rhetoric of hatred and distrust released by the two states against each other. Hatred of Pakistan in India feeds upon the constant refrain of “Pakistani involvement” in the bomb explosions in the various Indian cities that are later owned by local organisations. *

 

[DarkStar]

Are these current and former military men be part of some sinister "RAW" plot? Or some rogue agents from RAW that is recruiting them? Seems that the trail could lead to a lot more powerful men that just those apprehended.

 

[Neo]

This could get real ugly once the truth comes out. There are hindutva rogue elements in higher circles, I'd love to see them being exposed.

I remember debating many Indians in several fora about the Malegaon/Samjhota killing. Ofcourse ISI was blamed within hours. Wheer are those posters now?

 

[Neo]

How would this further alienate muslims in India?

 

[DarkStar]

'Punish India police for torture'


Police in the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh must be prosecuted for torturing Muslims detained after bomb blasts last year, a rights group says.

Human Rights Watch warned of the risks of stigmatising and alienating "an entire community".

The state government admitted last week that 21 men had been tortured and would each receive $600 in compensation.

A series of blasts in May and August 2007 killed nearly 60 people in the state capital, Hyderabad.

'Stripped, beaten'

The authorities in Andhra Pradesh detained nearly 100 men for questioning soon after the bomb attacks in the capital, Hyderabad, but the government last week admitted that 21 of the suspects had been tortured.

"Acknowledging torture and providing compensation is a good first step," said Meenakshi Ganguly, senior South Asia researcher at Human Rights Watch.

"But the government has to prosecute those responsible so that those who use torture will not get away with it."


Nine people died in Mecca Masjid blast in 2007

In a press release, Human Rights Watch said the detainees were stripped, hung upside down, severely beaten, subjected to electric shocks and otherwise ill-treated.

"They were also threatened with the torture of their relatives, particularly female relatives," the statement said.

"The police response to terrible bombings has been to round up people, simply because they happen to be Muslim, and to torture them in the hope of securing information or confessions," Ms Ganguly said.

"This stigmatises and alienates an entire community and makes counter-terrorism efforts even more difficult."

At least nine people were killed in the blast during Friday prayers at the Mecca Masjid, one of India's biggest mosques, in May last year.

In August 2007, nearly 50 people died and dozens were injured in two explosions in the city.

Hyderabad is one of the biggest cities in southern India and has a large Muslim population, many of whom live in the congested old city where the mosque is located.