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Only China can match the scale of US companies. Today, Alibaba's ($472.1 billion) market capitalization surpassed Amazon ($471.9 billion).

The economic competition is heating up. Which company will dominate the global e-commerce market in the future?
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Alibaba tops Amazon as biggest e-commerce company | Xinhua

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Alibaba enables creation of millions jobs in the small-medium businesses.
Amazon is more like a platform for big enterprises, an online form of walmart. It is a huge game for capital investors and multinationals, but not too much benefits for ordinary mom and dad businesses.
 
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lol..........

The article is about the "STOCK VALUE" for both company, which mean how much they can insolate from their stock, ie how much the stock is holding. It does not reflect how big the company is. It solely depends on how "Bankable" a company get and the share released by the company. If a company is more bankable and more open (ie released more stock) that would make that company have a bigger stock value. And if a company need consolidiate more money from their IPO, they will release more share.

In this case, Amazon is more "Bankable" than Alibaba, (As share price of Amazon is at $987 per share vs $184.32 for Alibaba) However, the share issued for Alibaba is a lot more than Amazon. Which mean Alibaba having more public debt (as more of its company was owned by public) than Amazon. Which mean Amazon is in less debt risk (because it does not owe that many share to public, ie less debt risk) and hence, a higher stock price.

To measure how big a company, you need to measure the total revenue and employee sizes. Revenue represent the turnover of a company (ie how much money they made) and the employee size mean how physically big a company is.

By the way, even market cap today (Wednesday October 11) is different than when the news was written (The article was written yesterday) today AMNZ Share price closed at 991. which mean the Market Cap is 474 billions, while the share price for Alibaba is 182.13, with Market Cap at 469 billions.

So, as you can see, the market cap does not mean anything...
 
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lol..........

The article is about the "STOCK VALUE" for both company, which mean how much they can insolate from their stock, ie how much the stock is holding. It does not reflect how big the company is. It solely depends on how "Bankable" a company get and the share released by the company. If a company is more bankable and more open (ie released more stock) that would make that company have a bigger stock value. And if a company need consolidiate more money from their IPO, they will release more share.

In this case, Amazon is more "Bankable" than Alibaba, (As share price of Amazon is at $987 per share vs $184.32 for Alibaba) However, the share issued for Alibaba is a lot more than Amazon. Which mean Alibaba having more public debt (as more of its company was owned by public) than Amazon. Which mean Amazon is in less debt risk (because it does not owe that many share to public, ie less debt risk) and hence, a higher stock price.

To measure how big a company, you need to measure the total revenue and employee sizes. Revenue represent the turnover of a company (ie how much money they made) and the employee size mean how physically big a company is.

By the way, even market cap today (Wednesday October 11) is different than when the news was written (The article was written yesterday) today AMNZ Share price closed at 991. which mean the Market Cap is 474 billions, while the share price for Alibaba is 182.13, with Market Cap at 469 billions.

So, as you can see, the market cap does not mean anything...


I have been usually impressed with your military understanding, but am rather disappointed with this answer.

Shows you don't seem to know a lot about finance.

  1. No matter what is the absolute amount of shares, all share holdings ultimately add up to 100% of a company. So if a company has larger number of shares due to any reason, it just means the ownership claim over the company of each share is less.
  2. Public ownership through market is just that. Ownership. Not debt. This is the primary concept behind Equity. Can't understand how someone can get the basics wrong.
  3. What we are talking about is Market Valuation. Market valuation is the market's valuation of a company's stock and its net worth.
  4. Even if you were to talk about profitability, Alibaba is far more profitable than Amazon.

lol..........

The article is about the "STOCK VALUE" for both company, which mean how much they can insolate from their stock, ie how much the stock is holding. It does not reflect how big the company is. It solely depends on how "Bankable" a company get and the share released by the company. If a company is more bankable and more open (ie released more stock) that would make that company have a bigger stock value. And if a company need consolidiate more money from their IPO, they will release more share.

In this case, Amazon is more "Bankable" than Alibaba, (As share price of Amazon is at $987 per share vs $184.32 for Alibaba) However, the share issued for Alibaba is a lot more than Amazon. Which mean Alibaba having more public debt (as more of its company was owned by public) than Amazon. Which mean Amazon is in less debt risk (because it does not owe that many share to public, ie less debt risk) and hence, a higher stock price.

To measure how big a company, you need to measure the total revenue and employee sizes. Revenue represent the turnover of a company (ie how much money they made) and the employee size mean how physically big a company is.

By the way, even market cap today (Wednesday October 11) is different than when the news was written (The article was written yesterday) today AMNZ Share price closed at 991. which mean the Market Cap is 474 billions, while the share price for Alibaba is 182.13, with Market Cap at 469 billions.

So, as you can see, the market cap does not mean anything...


Also, I forgot to mention. Market Cap means everything.

If I own 10% of shares of a company that is valued at 200 billion dollars. Than the worth of those shares is 20 billion dollars, and I can raise that money by selling those shares in the market.
 
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I have been usually impressed with your military understanding, but am rather disappointed with this answer.

Shows you don't seem to know a lot about finance.

  1. No matter what is the absolute amount of shares, all share holdings ultimately add up to 100% of a company. So if a company has larger number of shares due to any reason, it just means the ownership claim over the company of each share is less.
  2. Public ownership through market is just that. Ownership. Not debt. This is the primary concept behind Equity. Can't understand how someone can get the basics wrong.
  3. What we are talking about is Market Valuation. Market valuation is the market's valuation of a company's stock and its net worth.
  4. Even if you were to talk about profitability, Alibaba is far more profitable than Amazon.

1.) 100% of Company Ownership, that does not mean 100% of what the company worth. IPO was done to a point I exchange the share of my company for money from public, it could be anything up to 49% of my own company stake, that is the layman term. However, that amount, or Absolute Amount, as you said does not mean anything to that company other than how much that company worth at that particular time, because I cannot sell them immediately and get what the "price" I am selling, nor can you use the "Market Cap" to operate a business. In short, Market Cap is an indication on how much a company worth without the most basic and most important information, which is market share and the business revenue.

In fact, if you are an investor, yes, Market Cap is a good indication on whether or not you want to invest in that company. But if you are talking about a company operation, it does not indicate much, and as per this article, it is talking about Business Operation. Not on an investment stand point.

2.) Public Ownership is a debt in accounting term, you owe your investor money (Which you will have to pay back when they sell your stock), that is what equity mean, and you are using your share as a security. Effectively, it is the same as you are borrowing someone's money to develop your company, in exchange, you give them some "Control" of the company. Unless you don't pay back your investor (meaning either they never allowed to sell your stock or you can have a choice not to pay them back when they sell your stock) you are having a debt payable for the stock amount on your balance.

3.) Look at what the OP talking about, he is talking about HOW BIG A COMPANY IS, using Market Cap as an indication. If you don't know how wrong it was, then I think you are the one that don't have any knowledge in Finance. NB, just 10 hours later, Amazon is 5 billions ahead of Alibaba at the close of Oct 10 Trading day, so, does it mean Amazon is all of a sudden become "Bigger" than Alibaba again in just 10 hours??

4.) And no, I am not talking about profitability, I am talking about bankable. Which is a term include market share, profits, future dominance and so on. In fact, if you have any stock market knowledge, most bankable stock usually is not the one that make a lot of profit, blue chips (Such as Banks and other big corporation) make a lot of profits but they are not as bankable as other stock, such as technology company or company about new invention. Even for a same company, being bankable or not is not equal to how profitable it can get. Take apple for an example. Apple 20 years ago is more bankable than apple today, even tho the profit margin for apple is different today than it was 20 years ago, which is significantly less. The investment environment for apple is better 20 years ago than today.

And also, I am not talking about that, being bankable is used to refer to the market Cap, it have nothing to do with my point, which is how big a company was.


Also, I forgot to mention. Market Cap means everything.

If I own 10% of shares of a company that is valued at 200 billion dollars. Than the worth of those shares is 20 billion dollars, and I can raise that money by selling those shares in the market.

Again, that's from the point of view for an investor, but is it what the OP talking about?

HE IS TALKING ABOUT ALIBABA BEING A BIGGER COMPANY THAN AMAZON.

Seriously, how are you going to justify this statement using Market Cap as an argument, having more Market Cap equate to having a bigger company? How are you going to make it make sense? That I want to see.
 
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Only China can match the scale of US companies. Today, Alibaba's ($472.1 billion) market capitalization surpassed Amazon ($471.9 billion).

The economic competition is heating up. Which company will dominate the global e-commerce market in the future?
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Alibaba tops Amazon as biggest e-commerce company | Xinhua

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...on-to-become-biggest-e-commerce-company-chart

It is a race and Alibaba has the ultimate upper hand as it is based on spreading wealth across SMEs. SME development in China will continue for decades to come. I would not be surprised if Alibaba reached 1 trillion USD market value.
 
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lol..........

The article is about the "STOCK VALUE" for both company, which mean how much they can insolate from their stock, ie how much the stock is holding. It does not reflect how big the company is. It solely depends on how "Bankable" a company get and the share released by the company. If a company is more bankable and more open (ie released more stock) that would make that company have a bigger stock value. And if a company need consolidiate more money from their IPO, they will release more share.

In this case, Amazon is more "Bankable" than Alibaba, (As share price of Amazon is at $987 per share vs $184.32 for Alibaba) However, the share issued for Alibaba is a lot more than Amazon. Which mean Alibaba having more public debt (as more of its company was owned by public) than Amazon. Which mean Amazon is in less debt risk (because it does not owe that many share to public, ie less debt risk) and hence, a higher stock price.

To measure how big a company, you need to measure the total revenue and employee sizes. Revenue represent the turnover of a company (ie how much money they made) and the employee size mean how physically big a company is.

By the way, even market cap today (Wednesday October 11) is different than when the news was written (The article was written yesterday) today AMNZ Share price closed at 991. which mean the Market Cap is 474 billions, while the share price for Alibaba is 182.13, with Market Cap at 469 billions.

So, as you can see, the market cap does not mean anything...
Sourgraped spotted. :enjoy:
 
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Sourgraped spotted. :enjoy:

You do know as of now, Amazon is 5 billions bigger than Alibaba? So, who's having a sour grape? If there were one to had to begin with?

Personally I wouldn't care less which one having more Market Cap, as I don't invest in either of the company nor would I want to at this point.
 
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No one knows alibaba outside china.
 
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anyone use internet know alibaba is just like i know who amazon is even though i never buy sh1t from them. when you do search on any search engine, their ads are everywhere. lol... and on tv when they talk about stock market blabla lol
 
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You do know as of now, Amazon is 5 billions bigger than Alibaba? So, who's having a sour grape? If there were one to had to begin with?

Personally I wouldn't care less which one having more Market Cap, as I don't invest in either of the company nor would I want to at this point.

Alibaba is big because Chinese government never allowed good competition. Amazon, Google, Facebook etc.. are shunned by the government making it hard for International companies to access to Chinese market. China is continent sized fast growing country with 1.35 billion people making it easy for major Chinese companies to grow relatively easy. The challenging part for these Chinese companies companies starts now, with saturated domestic markets, they have to look elsewhere for growth, and people across the world have little idea on companies like Alibaba..
 
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