Alibaba tops Amazon as biggest e-commerce company | Xinhua

[qwerrty]

there are gazillion of brand ranking bs. here's one that's very well known for making this type of crap

alibaba is in top 10

http://brandz.com/charting/29

lolz

ummm, another 5 hours past, and the US Stock Market opened for 3 hours, looks like Amazon is now about 10.1 Billions bigger than Alibaba..... so the Market Cap gap between Amazon and Alibaba have rose for 5 billions into now 10.1 billions different between the two. How's that for sour grape?

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LOL.......This is just stupid.

who cares.. amazon still having negative profit. their market cap is fake. alibaba will always win. lol

jai turd!

 

[jhungary]

there are gazillion of brand ranking bs. here's one that very well known for making this type of crap

alibaba is in top 10

http://brandz.com/charting/29

lolz


who cares.. amazon still having negative profit. their market cap is fake. alibaba will always wins. lol

jai turd!

Well, you accused a lot of thing, but nearly all didn't pan out your way

Previously you accuse me of fixing the tax and making up the number, I quote you the Chinese Tax Law and say it exist, and now you are claiming Amazon have negative profit? LOL. As if Alibaba tiny 30 billions Revenue would have make any threat on 130 billions revenue Amazon. Look at the stock price mate, you are putting your hoot in your mouth dude.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Perhaps he meant US president Trump is a nobody and aint American LOL

How Alibaba’s Jack Ma Is Building a Truly Global Retail Empire
http://fortune.com/2017/03/24/jack-ma-alibaba-china-ecommerce-world-greatest-leaders/


Jealousy from a few random China haters

Why would I be jealous when the US holds 8 of the top 10 brands in the world, and top 5 overall? Alibaba may be huge in China, but internationally? Not so much...

 

[The Sandman]

You are out of times..

Eh how? i thought of ali baba like amazon but i didn't knew they're a wholesale site until now always got a bit confused when i visit it.

it a whole sale site bro unlike amazon it deals in bulk most of the times

Ah ok so you can't buy individual items means it's better for small businesses not individuals. thx

 

[qwerrty]

As if Alibaba tiny 30 billions Revenue would have make any threat on 130 billions revenue Amazon. Look at the stock price mate, you are putting your hoot in your mouth dude.

it means nothing without profit. the money they made just paying back all the shits that they bought. amazon is like walmart online. alibaba on the other hand is just collecting money from sellers that use their platform and ads without worrying about if their products sold or not. they don't need to make gazillion revenue to beat amazon. alibaba will always have higher profit margin than amazon lol

 

[jhungary]

it means nothing without profit. the money they made just paying back all the shits that they bought. amazon is like walmart online. alibaba on the other hand is just collecting money from sellers that use their platform and ads without worrying about if their products sold or not. they don't need to make gazillion revenue to beat amazon. alibaba will always have higher profit margin than amazon lol

Amazon does not buy anything, Amazon is like a Supermarket, they charge shelf fee for the online space, they don't OWN anything other than the platform and the mailing service they had, the people who are selling stuff are the one that own the product. It's like E-bay, E-bay themselves did not buy everything they are selling on E-bay now did they? They charge a Selling Fee and allow Seller too sell whatever they own.

I think you have not ever used Amazon before, have you? Amazon is not a Primary Producer, they are a third party selling platform, same as E-bay, same as Alibaba.

 

[Jlaw]

lol..........

The article is about the "STOCK VALUE" for both company, which mean how much they can insolate from their stock, ie how much the stock is holding. It does not reflect how big the company is. It solely depends on how "Bankable" a company get and the share released by the company. If a company is more bankable and more open (ie released more stock) that would make that company have a bigger stock value. And if a company need consolidiate more money from their IPO, they will release more share.

In this case, Amazon is more "Bankable" than Alibaba, (As share price of Amazon is at $987 per share vs $184.32 for Alibaba) However, the share issued for Alibaba is a lot more than Amazon. Which mean Alibaba having more public debt (as more of its company was owned by public) than Amazon. Which mean Amazon is in less debt risk (because it does not owe that many share to public, ie less debt risk) and hence, a higher stock price.

To measure how big a company, you need to measure the total revenue and employee sizes. Revenue represent the turnover of a company (ie how much money they made) and the employee size mean how physically big a company is.

By the way, even market cap today (Wednesday October 11) is different than when the news was written (The article was written yesterday) today AMNZ Share price closed at 991. which mean the Market Cap is 474 billions, while the share price for Alibaba is 182.13, with Market Cap at 469 billions.

So, as you can see, the market cap does not mean anything...

Lol stick to killing innocent Iraqi civilian you coward . Leave the investment to finance guys. If I had listened to you I would not have made 59% this year on Ali stocks.

 

[qwerrty]

Amazon does not buy anything, Amazon is like a Supermarket, they charge shelf fee for the online space, they don't OWN anything other than the platform and the mailing service they had, the people who are selling stuff are the one that own the product. It's like E-bay, E-bay themselves did not buy everything they are selling on E-bay now did they? They charge a Selling Fee and allow Seller too sell whatever they own.

I think you have not ever used Amazon before, have you? Amazon is not a Primary Producer, they are a third party selling platform, same as E-bay, same as Alibaba.

no it's not. amazon has third party sellers too, but most of the stuff on their platform are owned and sell directly by them. lolz

 

[jhungary]

Lol stick to killing innocent Iraqi civilian you coward . Leave the investment to finance guys. If I had listened to you I would not have made 59% this year on Ali stocks.

No, please stick to online insult, because this is what you good at, please don't stop. The more you insult me the more I felt happy about it, because I have to be quite an eyesore for you to be wanted to get rid of, but THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN NEVER DO LOL.....HAHA

So, mr Identity Crisis. how's it like in Canada? How much do you want to go back to China lol? Dude, I don't need to go to a Chinese Embassy, but you do, are you mad about that bro??

HAHAHA...I made USD$200,000 off the country you love but You can NEVER live in, because for them, you are a Canadian lol.

 

[jhungary]

no it's not. amazon has third party sellers too, but most of the stuff on their platform are own and sell directly by them.

Again, have you actually use amazon before? Not many of the stuff they sell are their own brand, except Movie and TV from Amazon Prime.

 

[qwerrty]

Again, have you actually use amazon before? Not many of the stuff they sell are their own brand, except Movie and TV from Amazon Prime.

how do you explain their large revenue with tiny profit?

 

[jhungary]

how do you explain their large revenue with tiny profit?

Dude, how big is Amazon? Amazon employ 340,000 people worldwide, have 6 Headquarter outside US (Canada, Germany, France, Hong Kong, Australia and Singapore) while Alibaba have 3 HQ (China, US and Australia) employing 50,000 people.

Amazon did not own any product, beside Kindle and Web service (include Amazon Movie), and a lot of R&D branch (They even have their own Space Program) how much money they put in is not going to cash flow? That's where the revenue goes.

 

[qwerrty]

Dude, how big is Amazon? Amazon employ 340,000 people worldwide, have 6 Headquarter outside US (Canada, Germany, France, Hong Kong, Australia and Singapore) while Alibaba have 3 HQ (China, US and Australia) employing 50,000 people.

Amazon did not own any product, beside Kindle and Web service (include Amazon Movie), and a lot of R&D branch (They even have their own Space Program) how much money they put in is not going to cash flow? That's where the revenue goes.



I don't care. You can say whatever you want lol, I don't know you, why would I care about what you think?

You are grasping the last straw because, well, you got nothing on me, to be honest. As if I really do care about what you think LOL HAHA

Jack Ma on why Alibaba's nothing like Amazon: 'We believe every company can be an Amazon'
Eugene Kim

Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba often gets mentioned as Amazon's main competitor, but Alibaba founder and chairman Jack Ma doesn't believe it's a fair comparison.

He says the two companies run on completely different models, and if anything, Alibaba's role is to help businesses grow into something similar to Amazon.

"[Amazon] buys and then sells [products]," Ma told Bloomberg's Emily Chang in an interview Wednesday. "We're a platform...We think if Amazon is a great apple, we’re an apple tree."

Ma pointed out that Alibaba has over 10 million businesses of all sizes selling on its site, and his company helps them by providing a marketplace, in addition to things like computing power, logistics, and payment systems.

"We believe every company can be an Amazon," he continued. "We want to enable every company to be an e-commerce [business]. So I don't think Amazon and us will compete."

In other words, Amazon is more akin to a massive retailer that sells stuff out of its own inventory, while Alibaba doesn't sell anything directly, simply serving as a middleman to connect buyers and sellers.

Amazon does have its own third party marketplace, but it's slightly different in the way it makes money too. Amazon takes a small commission for every item sold, but Alibaba's Taobao marketplace doesn't charge anything for the transactions, instead making money through advertising.

http://www.businessinsider.com/jack-ma-explains-why-alibaba-is-not-like-amazon-2015-11?IR=T

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Amazon vs. eBay vs. Alibaba

Business Approaches:
Amazon vs. eBay vs. Alibaba has different business models. Amazon is entirely different from the rest of the companies. On the other hand, Alibaba and eBay have almost same business approaches. For the reason that, Amazon sells products directly to its customers. Apart from direct retailing, Amazon also allows retailers to sell uncommon products through Amazon, it does so the revenue is not diluted.

eBay and Alibaba are more alike. Both companies act as a traders between sellers and purchasers. eBay is preferred by users because they allow to personalize listings. Through its services people can sell their products with the help of eBay workers. Alibaba deals with 12 million orders because of its best strategies.

http://www.theworldbeast.com/amazon-vs-ebay-vs-alibaba.html
http://www.investopedia.com/article...tween-amazon-and-alibabas-business-models.asp
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[jhungary]

Jack Ma on why Alibaba's nothing like Amazon: 'We believe every company can be an Amazon'
Eugene Kim

Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba often gets mentioned as Amazon's main competitor, but Alibaba founder and chairman Jack Ma doesn't believe it's a fair comparison.

He says the two companies run on completely different models, and if anything, Alibaba's role is to help businesses grow into something similar to Amazon.

"[Amazon] buys and then sells [products]," Ma told Bloomberg's Emily Chang in an interview Wednesday. "We're a platform...We think if Amazon is a great apple, we’re an apple tree."

Ma pointed out that Alibaba has over 10 million businesses of all sizes selling on its site, and his company helps them by providing a marketplace, in addition to things like computing power, logistics, and payment systems.

"We believe every company can be an Amazon," he continued. "We want to enable every company to be an e-commerce [business]. So I don't think Amazon and us will compete."

In other words, Amazon is more akin to a massive retailer that sells stuff out of its own inventory, while Alibaba doesn't sell anything directly, simply serving as a middleman to connect buyers and sellers.

Amazon does have its own third party marketplace, but it's slightly different in the way it makes money too. Amazon takes a small commission for every item sold, but Alibaba's Taobao marketplace doesn't charge anything for the transactions, instead making money through advertising.

http://www.businessinsider.com/jack-ma-explains-why-alibaba-is-not-like-amazon-2015-11?IR=T

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Amazon vs. eBay vs. Alibaba

Business Approaches:
Amazon vs. eBay vs. Alibaba has different business models. Amazon is entirely different from the rest of the companies. On the other hand, Alibaba and eBay have almost same business approaches. For the reason that, Amazon sells products directly to its customers. Apart from direct retailing, Amazon also allows retailers to sell uncommon products through Amazon, it does so the revenue is not diluted.

eBay and Alibaba are more alike. Both companies act as a traders between sellers and purchasers. eBay is preferred by users because they allow to personalize listings. Through its services people can sell their products with the help of eBay workers. Alibaba deals with 12 million orders because of its best strategies.

http://www.theworldbeast.com/amazon-vs-ebay-vs-alibaba.html
http://www.investopedia.com/article...tween-amazon-and-alibabas-business-models.asp
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Dude, I don't know when Jack Ma said that but that was the very old model when Amazon is still selling books over their warehouse. (What they did in early 20s), if Jack Ma's comment was recent, then he honestly do not know the model have changed.

Here is a Former Amazon employee talk about Amazon.com business model and why it does not have hugh profits (so it basically answer both your question at the same time) even tho having a large revenue. The article was written in 2013 for Business Insider

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/amazons-profits-what-people-dont-understand-2013-10?r=US&IR=T

Former Amazon Employee Explains How The Company's Business Model Really Works

Jay Yarow
Oct 29, 2013, 2:08 AM

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  Eugene Wei has a thorough analysis of Amazon’s business model, and why everyone seems to misunderstand the company.
  
  Last week, Amazon reported its second straight quarterly loss. Instead of dumping the stock, investors bought more pushing Amazon to new heights and prompting analysts to slap $US400+ price targets on it.
  
  This oddity — Amazon getting rewarded for not making money — let to the usual jokes on Twitter about Amazon being a charitable organisation, as well as scepticism that it can ever make money.
  
  Wei explains that both the jokes and the scepticism are wrong. Amazon is profitable in its retail operations, but it’s losing money overall because it’s investing in big opportunities to expand globally and crank up sales.
  
  He has a great analogy for explaining how Amazon works:
  
  To me, a profitless business model is one in which it costs you $US2 to make a glass of lemonade but you have to sell it for $US1 a glass at your lemonade stand. But if you sell a glass of lemonade for $US2 and it only costs you $US1 to make it, and you decide business is so great you’re going to build a lemonade stand on every street corner in the world so you can eventually afford to move humanity into outer space or buy a newspaper in your spare time, and that requires you to invest all your profits in buying up some lemon fields and timber to set up lemonade franchises on every street corner, that sounds like a many things to me, but it doesn’t sound like a charitable organisation.
  
  Catch that? Amazon has a profitable business. It has figured out how to make money. Now, it’s investing in expensive stuff like fulfillment centres to create a more profitable, global business.
  
  His full analysis is worth a read, but if you’re short on time, here’s the key points:
  • His two sentence explanation of Amazon’s business: “Amazon is a classic fixed cost business model, it uses the Internet to get maximum leverage out of its fixed assets, and once it achieves enough volume of sales, the sum total of profits from all those sales exceed its fixed cost base, and it turns a profit. It already has exceeded this hurdle in its past.”
  • Amazon loses money on a few retail items, but when that’s happening it tries to correct the reasons its losing money. There are a few loss-leading items, but for the most part its retail operations are profitable.
  • Amazon as a platform is incredibly profitable. Lots of people and companies sell through Amazon, which has very little cost for Amazon.
  • Amazon is losing money because it’s investing like crazy in fulfillment centres, and other expensive things to stay 100 steps ahead of the competition. Amazon has found that cheap, fast shipping leads to a big jump in sales, so it’s investing in making that possible.
  • Amazon could turn a profit today if it stopped investing. Wei says Amazon turns a profit on almost all transactions. It posts quarterly losses because of its massive investments. A lot of people think Amazon will eventually be profitable when it has a monopoly on e-commerce and starts raising prices. That’s wrong, it just has to stop investing

Again, if you still not sure or clear how Amazon work, you can simply visit Amazon.com and see for yourself. You don't need to buy anything, and it will answer a lot of your question.

 

[TaiShang]

Alibaba leads investment round in cloud database server company

Sep. 29, 2017 10:56 AM ET|

Alibaba Group Holding Limited (BABA)|By: Brandy Betz, SA News Editor


Alibaba (NYSE:BABA) leads a $27M investment round in open source database server company MariaDB.

TechCrunch sources say Alibaba will contribute $23.6M of the round, which will push MariaDB’s value to about $354M.

Alibaba engineer Feng Yu will join the board of MariaDB as part of the investment.

The investment could benefit Alibaba’s growing cloud business as the company searches for a second European data center location and tries to take on market titan Amazon Web Services.

Alibaba held 2.6% of the cloud infrastructure services market in Q2, according to Canalys, which comes in far behind AWS’ 30.3% but is catching ground on Google’s 5.9% share.

Alibaba shares are up 1.3%.

Previously: Alibaba searches for new European data center location (Sept. 28)

Now read: Alibaba: Investing For Future Growth? »