Algeria: A Sleeping Giant

[mike2000 is back]

Je ne vais pas rentrer dans les insultes, qui est typique des Dz... . Mais quelques faits sont a rappeler.
1/ Les terroristes et les islamistes, c'est vous qui les avaient engendré depuis des décennies et qui avait exporter vos bâtards d’idéologie jusqu’à nous ( que vous avez élu démocratiquement au passage).
2/Lorsque vous avez crevé de faims dans les années de VOTRE salafisme, c'est nous la Tunisie qui vous en fournit la bouffe, pour vous nourrir, vous faisiez la queue aux frontaliers, par pitier on vous a aidé, puisque après tout vous aviez que nous, depuis que votre gouvernement à fermé la frontière du maroc.
3/ vos hopitaux sont lamentables, et vous venez en masse vous soigner chez nous, dans nos clinique, 180M$ de soins enregistré l'année dernière.
4/ Vos vacances vous venez les passer chez nous, car vous avez à peine des cafés et des zones de "fêtes".
5/ LA "Grande ALgerie" et sa delimitation, vous ne la devais qu'au français. ces chiennes on rajouter 350km de frontière de notre pays au votre, lorsque vous étiez une Colonie francaise alors qu'il y avait du petrol... L'algerie n'avais jamais eu de desert, avant les frontière francaise. elle allait jusqu'au limite de l'atlas...
6/ et j'en passes...

Je ne voulais pas en venir la, mais puisque tu attaques "mon peuple" et non mon gouvernement, par vengeance je fais la même chose. Je n'ai rien contre les algériens, mais j'ai le droit de parler de son gouvernement, qui ne vaut pas un sous, un régime de tyrants militarisé, renfermé sur sois mêmes au détriment de son peuple, pour nourrire une elite de plouc, rongé par la haine du passé.. Même des connaissances ne veulent plus y retourné, et surtout les expatriés en france. les mecs en on marre de votre gouv , point barre. Si tu ne vois pas ses défauts alors j'y peux rien, reste s'y en silence jusqu'a qu'il t'encule jusqu’à la moelle

calmez vous s'il vous plaît. C'est juste un forum

What I know is that French presdients are hidden Kings of Algeria,seeing how they are received by the local government and people.

Our beloved François' southern subjects always showed love and respect for him.

Lol. C'EST le cas de la plupart des ex colonies Françaises en Afrique. J'etais au Cameroun et au Sénégal quand Jacques Chirac était reçu comme un Dieu durant ça visite en 2001 et 2002. La majorité des routes étaient carement bloqués dans la capitale pour presque tout la journée. Moi même j'etais bien surpris par ça. Ces dirigeants africains exagère avec leur comportement.

 

[Arabi]

I dont get it why the Saudi kings dont build many many many solar farms and hydrogen and water in their country they have the money they could do the job

Though we have the largest two leading green energy companies (ACWA Power and AJL energy) in the whole region, we still in Saudi Arabia have no absolute need for producing power from Wind or other green sources of energy because Oil is still cost effective and the politicians don't want to undermine oil business. These two Saudi companies combined have 30+ GW development portfolio in emerging solar markets in 4 continents which means if they build all these solar power farms in Saudi Arabia we would be ranked the 4th world wide.

Here's a solar plant project that ACWA Power is building in Morocco which is described as the world's largest of its kind

 

[Timur]

Though we have the largest two leading green energy companies (ACWA Power and AJL energy) in the whole region, we still in Saudi Arabia have no absolute need for producing power from Wind or other green sources of energy because Oil is still cost effective and the politicians don't want to undermine oil business. These two Saudi companies combined have 30+ GW development portfolio in emerging solar markets in 4 continents which means if they build all these solar power farms in Saudi Arabia we would be ranked the 4th world wide.

Here's a solar plant project that ACWA Power is building in Morocco which is described as the world's largest of its kind

I dont know if you get what I mean its ok but SA could do more its not a loss, its a win.. and if they build hydrogen it could be used in the night or in maybe cars (needs safe technology) .. better to build it not only abroad, they should do it in SA but with locally build panels and local ppl who build solartower plants (I don't know why but I like this type).. it would resolve the waterproblem that could come in the next decades.. and in time of war its better to have many different energy plants than some big powerplants wich could be easy destroyed.. the economy would benefit from such things thats my opinion.. they do some stuff but they have more capabilities and resources to do it better

don't want to undermine oil business

this is maybe the main problem... but I would say dont waste oil for things you can get another way the sun and wind are also resources wich should be used and SA has plenty of it.. so why not use sun and windpower to reduce the use of oil and this reduced use could be sold in the market?

 

[Arabi]

Algeria is one of the most corrupt, incompetent and incapable Arab country in the world. For instance, Marocco and Tunisia are doing a far better job than Algeria even though they have no oil and gas. Algeria is a disappointment thanks to a selfish elite in the military and bureaucracy. They simply have nothing. No industry, no innovation, no production. In some aspects they are even worse than Saudi Arabia.

Actually Turkey by far is worse than Algeria, yes Algeria has corrupted government but at least their country is safe and have healthy environment for doing business, they juts need to flex their regulations and they'll find more foreign investors coming to Algeria. On the other hand, Turkey can't provide the least required security for both tourists and diplomats but on the top of that we have seen more Saudi tourists dying in Turkey than those Saudi soldiers who die in Yemen War.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Actually Turkey by far is worse than Algeria, yes Algeria has corrupted government but at least their country is safe and have healthy environment for doing business, they juts need to flex their regulations and they'll find more foreign investors coming to Algeria. On the other hand, Turkey can't provide the least required security for both tourists and diplomats but on the top of that we have seen more Saudi tourists dying in Turkey than those Saudi soldiers who die in Yemen War.

Despite the recent attacks in Turkey due mainly to the bloody civil wars raging on in neighbouring Iraq and Syria , I disagree that Turkey is worse than Algeria in terms of the development and diversification of its economy, corruption, incomptency, productivity , etc. Turkey despite having little to no natural resources unlike oil rich Muslim countries like Algeria,Iran, Iraq, KSA, Malaysia etc Turkey still has a bigger economy than almost all of them , and is one of the only Muslim country in the world's top 20 most industrialised nations along with Western powers, China,Japan, India, Korea etc.
They achieved this with virtually little to no major natural resources. So their productivity is quite good for a middle eastern country.

Granted that Erdogan recent policies have affected Turkey, but Turkey is still an advanced secular country, Atartuk did lay a solid foundation for the country to build on. Turkey was very lucky in this aspect, so it will be very difficult for any leader to destroy that IMO.

 

[Louiq XIV]

@Taygibay , @Louiq XIV ,@Vergennes C'est vrai ça?

Of course not.

France has close to 0 influence on Algeria and relations are ... let's say "complicated".

I have been many times in Algeria for work (maybe 10 business trips) and I must say that it is a beautiful country.

Regarding solar energy, Algeria truly has a gigantic potential. With the current levels of PV panels Algeria could fulfil all its needs. That would be a smart move because the country economy is strongly based on the oil & gas industry and we all know that it will come to an end.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Of course not.

France has close to 0 influence on Algeria and relations are ... let's say "complicated".

I have been many times in Algeria for work (maybe 10 business trips) and I must say that it is a beautiful country.

Regarding solar energy, Algeria truly has a gigantic potential. With the current levels of PV panels Algeria could fulfil all its needs. That would be a smart move because the country economy is strongly based on the oil & gas industry and we all know that it will come to an end.

You might be right, but to be honest I have lost count of how many developing countries who have a very "gigantic potential". Basically every single one of them do the same extent.
Take for example African countries like Congo Kinshasa, and Cameroun, They both have one of the largest hydroelectric potential in the world, but the people barely have electricity. Just take a visit to these countries to see for yourself. . There are countless such examples across the developing world, which is sad.

 

[Louiq XIV]

You might be right, but to be honest I have lost count of how many developing countries who have a very "gigantic potential". Basically every single one of them do the same extent.
Take for example African countries like Congo Kinshasa, and Cameroun, They both have one of the largest hydroelectric potential in the world, but the people barely have electricity. Just take a visit to these countries to see for yourself. . There are countless such examples across the developing world, which is sad.

Agreed but failures of the past can sometimes turn into success.

Thanks to oil & gas they still have a bit of money in Algeria so things can be easier and they could start a self sustained process.

I have little doubts that in a world of expensive fossil fuel the capability to produce huge quantity of relatively cheap electricity will be an advantage.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Due to corruption and incompetent leadership same is the case with Egypt and Tunisia and Morocco and Libya was destroyed by war

Tunisia was corrupted, but since few years it's a lot better, a lot. New incoming law to give imunity and protection to those who speak on+ A very big media compaign on the corrupted ones. Corruption still exist foreever, like in any country in the world, but in tunisia corruption will not drag or stop the country like under Ben ali. Tunisia problem for this time isa better army and jobs. that's it. For morroco it's in the same aspect but a little worst. for libya well... war. so...

 

[Arabi]

Despite the recent attacks in Turkey due mainly to the bloody civil wars raging on in neighbouring Iraq and Syria , I disagree that Turkey is worse than Algeria in terms of the development and diversification of its economy, corruption, incomptency, productivity , etc. Turkey despite having little to no natural resources unlike oil rich Muslim countries like Algeria,Iran, Iraq, KSA, Malaysia etc Turkey still has a bigger economy than almost all of them , and is one of the only Muslim country in the world's top 20 most industrialised nations along with Western powers, China,Japan, India, Korea etc.
They achieved this with virtually little to no major natural resources. So their productivity is quite good for a middle eastern country.

Granted that Erdogan recent policies have affected Turkey, but Turkey is still an advanced secular country, Atartuk did lay a solid foundation for the country to build on. Turkey was very lucky in this aspect, so it will be very difficult for any leader to destroy that IMO.

Yes Turkey economy found a rise in the early 2000 not because Ataturk who died long time ago but because Erdogan came to power with different thoughts economically and socially, Turkey was almost a forgotten country and no one mentions it even in weather forecasting news till there was a total change in Turkey on Erdogan's hands.
Here's where Turkey's GDP was and where it got with Erdogan

Yes, Turkey enjoyed a drastic rise in its GDP not because they exported or innovated highly needed things, it's because they flex foreign investment regulations and manufactured all what they possibly can under license.

Here's what Vietnam and Turkey exported in 2014, both of them have economy based on diversification and industry. Unlike Vietnam, Turkey economy is struggling so bad in terms of everything, but vietnam still enjoys growth in its economy,

Turkey

Vietnam

Both of them export almost the same things but in different quantities, they have a quite similar economy model that based on diversification and manufacturing parts of devices, tools and cars, but it seems this economy model has a lifetime and isn't going to grow for a long time for both of them unless they join an economic bloc, as far as I know vietnam did join ASEAN Economic Community but Turkey didn't join EU yet.