Alcohol is Arabic

[Falcon29]

This was what I was telling a member in previous conversation. @mike2000 is back

 

[The SiLent crY]

Are you insane?

The first recorded alcoholic beverages (purposely left to ferment) are recorded in the Arab world 10.000 BC during the Neolithic period. Nothing to do with Farsis.

History of alcoholic beverages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jabir ibn Hayyan was Arab as were most scientists and scholars simply because Arabs were the vast majority of people and Muslims back then and still are by far in the MENA region.

All the work was written in Arabic too.

This article has nothing to do with Iran. Stop flooding Arab threads with nonsense all the time.

Arabs always preferred beverages rather than opium/drugs like in Iran and Afghanistan. Still seen to this day. Outside of Yemen which loves their khat which is a mild stimulant (leaf) that you chew and Morocco which loves its hashish. They make the best quality cannabis in the world.

Lets discuss with reliable source than blind prejudice , If you can't do that then have fun .

It doesn't matter how people ignorantly used Alcohol but how someone figured out what it was and properly used it .

Unlike you and your friends , I give you sources .

Search Alcohol Discoverer on Google , You will surely notice Zakariya Al Razi .

Regarding Jabir Ibn Hayyan , Check this source :

Jabir ibn Hayyan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't know since when Tus is located in Arabia !

I believe this post is enough for you and people who commented on my post .

If you have any reliable not baseless source , Please share otherwise don't bother .

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Lets discuss with reliable source than blind prejudice , If you can't do that then have fun .

It doesn't matter how people ignorantly used Alcohol but how someone figured out what it was and properly used it .

Unlike you and your friends , I give you sources .

Search Alcohol Discoverer on Google , You will surely notice Zakariya Al Razi .

Regarding Jabir Ibn Hayyan , Check this source :

Jabir ibn Hayyan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't know since when Tus is located in Arabia !

I believe this post is enough for you and people who commented on my post .

If you have any reliable not baseless source , Please share otherwise don't bother .

There is nothing to discuss as you obviously have no clue about the history of alcohol and ethanol fermentation.

This process was already mastered by people in the Arab world 10.000 BC. Several centuries later enough to make the best wines of that era.

People even in that era in human history knew the value of alcohol very well and how to produce it.

He did not invent alcohol so your claim is absolute bogus.

Even your link says that he was an Arab or Persian.

1. Kraus, P. (1962). "Djābir B. Ḥayyān". Encyclopaedia of Islam 2 (2nd ed.). Brill Academic Publishers. pp. 357–359. As for Djābir's historic personality, Holmyard has suggested that his father was "a certain Azdī called Hayyan, druggist of Kufa... mentioned... in connection with the political machinations that were used by many people, in the eighth century, finally resulted in the overthrow of the Umayyad dynasty.
2. Jump up^ Holmyard, Eric John, "Introduction" to The Works of Geber, translated by Richard Russell (London: Dent, 1928), p. vii: "Abu Musa Jabir ibn Hayyan, generally known merely as Jabir, was the son of a druggist belonging to the famous South Arabian tribe of Al-Azd. Members of this tribe had settled at the town of Kufa, in Iraq, shortly after the Muhammadan conquest in the seventh century A.D., and it was in Kufa that Hayyan the druggist lived."

His mother tongue was Arabic, his name, he wrote in Arabic and he lived almost his entire life in the Arab world etc.

In case you do not know this then what is now Iran was controlled by Arabs back then. Several famous Arabs from scientists to Caliphs (Harun al-Rashid for instance) were born in today's Iran.

Just like famous Persians were born in the Arab world.

Does not make them any less Arab or Persian.

I already provided all the necessary links and nobody agrees with you either in this thread.

 

[Sneaker]

Who on earth calls "alchemy" a "science"?

 

[الأعرابي]

Well nothing to be proud of

 

[The SiLent crY]

There is nothing to discuss as you obviously have no clue about the history of alcohol and ethanol fermentation.

This process was already mastered by people in the Arab world 10.000 BC. Several centuries later enough to make the best wines of that era.

People even in that era in human history knew the value of alcohol very well and how to produce it.

He did not invent alcohol so your claim is absolute bogus.

Even your link says that he was an Arab or Persian.

1. Kraus, P. (1962). "Djābir B. Ḥayyān". Encyclopaedia of Islam 2 (2nd ed.). Brill Academic Publishers. pp. 357–359. As for Djābir's historic personality, Holmyard has suggested that his father was "a certain Azdī called Hayyan, druggist of Kufa... mentioned... in connection with the political machinations that were used by many people, in the eighth century, finally resulted in the overthrow of the Umayyad dynasty.
2. Jump up^ Holmyard, Eric John, "Introduction" to The Works of Geber, translated by Richard Russell (London: Dent, 1928), p. vii: "Abu Musa Jabir ibn Hayyan, generally known merely as Jabir, was the son of a druggist belonging to the famous South Arabian tribe of Al-Azd. Members of this tribe had settled at the town of Kufa, in Iraq, shortly after the Muhammadan conquest in the seventh century A.D., and it was in Kufa that Hayyan the druggist lived."

His mother tongue was Arabic, his name, he wrote in Arabic and he lived almost his entire life in the Arab world etc.

In case you do not know this then what is now Iran was controlled by Arabs back then. Several famous Arabs from scientists to Caliphs (Harun al-Rashid for instance) were born in today's Iran.

Just like famous Persians were born in the Arab world.

Does not make them any less Arab or Persian.

I already provided all the necessary links and nobody agrees with you either in this thread.

Not a link ?

Why didn't you read the wiki source I mentioned in previous post ?

The man was born and educated in Tus and passed away in Iraq .

I'm not going to continue this as you certainly aren't looking for the truth .

If people really care about this conversation , Let them search by themselves .

Have fun .

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Not a link ?

Why didn't you read the wiki source I mentioned in previous post ?

The man was born and educated in Tus and passed away in Iraq .

I'm not going to continue this as you certainly aren't looking for the truth .

If people really care about this conversation , Let them search by themselves .

Have fun .

Are you blind? I posted dozens of links in this thread. You just have to open your eyes.

Ethanol fermentation was first documented in the Arab world. Wine and beer too. All this occurred long before the birth of Prophet Muhammad (saws) all over the Arab world. In short alcohol was invented and first used in the Arab world. Even the name is Arabic.

I cannot be more clear than this.

What don't you understand? Jabir ibn Hayyan was an Arab. His name was Arabic, his mother tongue was Arabic, he spent most of his life in Arab lands and died there.

He was also known as Al-Bariqi (Arab tribe), Al-Azdi (Arab tribe), al-Kufi (an Arab city) and al-Sufi (Sufism originates in the Arab world).

His only "Iranian" suffix used is Al-Tusi and that only named after his birth city but as I told that means little as Tus was under Arab control back then and several famous Arabs were born in what is today Iran. One of them I already mentioned (Harun al-Rashid).

Secondly my quotations originate from your own source which is Wikipedia.

Even in the introduction to his Wikipedia it says that his father was from Syria.

Here you go again Einstein.

Discovery of late Stone Age jugs suggest that intentionally fermented beverages existed at least as early as the Neolithic period (cir. 10,000 BC).[2]

History of alcoholic beverages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So no, alcohol (Arabic name) was not invented 1200 years ago by an most likely Arab chemist neither the ethanol fermentation process.

Got it?

But whatever suits you. To make you happy we can say that alcohol is an Persian word and that the internet was invented by an Persian.

After all we constantly learn new things from Iranian users here, everything from Prophet Muhammad (saws) being an Iranian originally to Prophet Ibrahim (as) to Semitic civilizations in Mesopotamia being "Iranian" despite the fact that those same Semitic civilizations predate the notion of Iran and Iranian peoples with 1000's of years.

You win.

Coffee was not invented in Sufi monasteries in Yemen either but in Mashhad Iran nor was opium first documented in Iraq and Egypt nor were alcoholic beverages invented in the Arab/Semitic Near East but in Zahedan.

Semitic monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam are Iranian religions too.

I have heard it all from certain Iranian users on PDF so yeah, let's leave it at that.

@Ahmed Jo @Falcon29 @BLACKEAGLE

 

[jammersat]

"Alcohol" as you put it is not arabic , it's iranian , cause it was distilled first by an iranian , beer however was brewed in ancient egypt , arabs consumed alcoholic beverages before and after islam but distilled alcohol was first produced in iran , for medical and scientific purposes obviously , not as an arak ...

 

[livingdead]

Who on earth calls "alchemy" a "science"?

its precursor of chemistry...

 

[Sneaker]

its precursor of chemistry...

Heh? Does it make it "science"? is astrology a "science" too?