Alarming Evidence Suggests ISIS is Now a US-Israel Proxy Army

[airmarshal]

There are well read fools who will say its a conspiracy theory.

 

[500]

There are well read fools who will say its a conspiracy theory.

Thats not a conspiracy theory, just cheap ayatula propaganda.

 

[Slav Defence]

There are few questions that always comes into my mind,whensoever I came across about reading stuff regarding ISIS.

1-They appear to be originated as group of individuals which are standing against the existing regimes,so what exactly is their origin?

2-How they are originated?

3-How they are evolved into a militant group?

4-Definitely,in order to make their attacks ''effective'' they must needs funds and weapons,they need billions and millions,but how they get it?

5-Conspiracy theorists name different countries and accuse them for funding them with fuel to create economical instability.Is this a hypothesis or tested theory?

6-What ideology do they follow?

While analyzing any news about such outfits,one must keep such questions into their mind.
I want to see that who can 'honestly' answer my questions posted above.


regards

 

[Capt.Popeye]

No hope for morons like you until you accept that a cow cannot be a mother to a human!




What the fvck do you know about Islam other than that which is fed to you by the zionazi media on daily basis? You see Islam with your queer eyes, so definitely Islam has no hope as far as a queer like you is concerned.

@Slav Defence,@waz....Can you rate this particular post please? Or elevate this poster to the ranks of TTAS.

 

[war&peace]

1-They appear to be originated as group of individuals which are standing against the existing regimes,so what exactly is their origin?

What I know they were the extreme part of al-Qaeda and some generals of Saddam's military

2-How they are originated?

Ostensibly, as a resistance to the Iraqi and Syrian state oppression. Initially funded by KSA, CIA and Mossad

3-How they are evolved into a militant group?

They were a militant group right from the start...the most extreme part of al-qaeda

4-Definitely,in order to make their attacks ''effective'' they must needs funds and weapons,they need billions and millions,but how they get it?

They are well funded and equipped. They operate US weapon systems like M1A1 Abrams Tanks and APC etc. US makes sure they never run out of essentials and weapons. Plus they sell oil....and NATO buys and Turkey is an integral of this system.

5-Conspiracy theorists name different countries and accuse them for funding them with fuel to create economical instability.Is this a hypothesis or tested theory?

Definitely they are a proxy and proxies are seldom owned publicly by their masters. But their goals should provide enough clues and evidence to a thinking person. When Russia declares joining the war against ISIS, NATO disapproves, makes fun, raises eye brows, scorns and scoffs then shoots down a Russian jet.
ISIS attacks Paris and guess who benefits ---> Israel, and who loses -----> Muslims and Palestinian cause.

6-What ideology do they follow?

Their ideology....simply killing Muslims in the most cruel ways, attack Hezbollah but leave Israel....Then the recent order by the judge to exterminate disabled children......destroy Massajid and Shrines (holy Prophet Younas (Jonah) (May peace be upon him)), totally against Muslims and Islam.

 

[SecularNationalist]

 

[thrilainmanila]

"Not one jew will be left in jerusalem, and then we'll not stop untill none will be left in the world"
ISIS in Sinai threatens to attack Israel - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post
https://www.google.co.il/#q=ISIS threaten Israel
ISIS pledge second Holocaust: Horrifying jihadis' threat as fears for Jewish people rises | World | News | Daily Express

i don't like to fall into the trap of conspiracies but it sounds like an israeli guy speaking in arabic. maybe i'm completely wrong.

 

[DavidSling]

i don't like to fall into the trap of conspiracies but it sounds like an israeli guy speaking in arabic. maybe i'm completely wrong.

It is an arab Israeli or palestinian who joined ISIS probably, when Israel knows that an Israeli joined Israeli, he will lose his Israeli citizenshipBenjamin Netanyahu: Israelis joining ISIS will lose citizenship - Israel News - Jerusalem Post

 

[GoldenRatio1618]

before USA wars on IRAQ, Afghanistan, Syria no terrorests organization no suisides now check how dollars paid doing suisides and fighting creating new terror organizations in these countries...

 

[Solomon2]

What the fvck do you know about Islam other than that which is fed to you by the zionazi media on daily basis? You see Islam with your queer eyes, so definitely Islam has no hope as far as a queer like you is concerned.

The term "zionazi" is offensive and insulting for it unjustly and baselessly conflates the victims of great crimes with their perpetrators. I can't give any moral respect to anybody using the term.

As for the "queer eyes" bit: everyone has a different perspective. Through communication we can find out other peoples' perspectives. Through investigation we can also sort out truth from lies and truth-tellers from liars. To do these things takes time and effort and you need to include freedom of the press. That freedom exists in the West - but it does not exist in Muslim-majority countries like Pakistan that have "media guidelines" limiting debate.

So who suffers most from the "queer eyes" phenomenon? informed Westerners like myself, who have access to a great deal of information and open discussion, or a person like yourself, who exists in a country where minorities are oppressed and anything that shows Israel, Judaism, and Christianity in a favorable light compared to Islam and Muslims is effectively banned?

 

[Solomon2]

If you have the right to portray Nazis the way you do, Palestinians and for that matter all Muslims have the same right to portray assrahellis and their minions as zionazis.

I have the right to portray Nazis as mass-murderers because that's the truth. If you choose to portray Israelis as equivalent murderers that's defamation. If damages are proved it's a tort you can be sued for in civil court in the United States. If murder is the result it's incitement and you can be charged with the crime in a criminal court.

 

[jhungary]

There are few questions that always comes into my mind,whensoever I came across about reading stuff regarding ISIS.

1-They appear to be originated as group of individuals which are standing against the existing regimes,so what exactly is their origin?

What known as ISIS (or ISIL) today is basically the same sunni terrorist organisation Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn (Alas AQI or Al-Qaeda of Iraq) prior to the duration of Iraqi Insurgency and based on the pre-war organisation Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (JTJ) formed by their Leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

The brief history is that Zarqawi formed JTJ in Jordan somewhere before 1990s and after the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan as part of Jihad movement, felt into insurgency between the power struggle between Shiite and Sunni Muslim upon Soviet Withdrawal. CIA/NSA Intel suggested that JTJ was formed on the onset of 1999 in Jordan after Zarqawi was out of Jordanian Custody, and base its AOR in Afghanistan.

JTJ moved from Afghanistan to Iraq at the onset of Operation Enduring Freedom somewhere in 2002. And pledge allegiance to OBL after the Iraqi Government was disbanded in 2004 and subsequent joined the AQ network and become Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn or Commonly known as AQI, when Zarqawi was killed in an airstrike in 2006, the group then fled into Syria and joined a coalition of mujahedeen group (Mujahedeen Shura Counsel) and later become Islamic State of Iraq, and changed to ISIL, and finally ISIS

2-How they are originated?

As with many other terrorist leader, Zarqawi started out as a student of Islam and was drawn into the First Afghan War between Soviet Russia and Mujahedeen during the 80s, Zarqawi was supposedly trained by then-CIA backed Mujahedeen but was too late to join the fight. He arrived in Afghanistan after the Russian Withdraw and went back to Jordan after a brief stay in Afghanistan and allegedly met OBL the first time.


Upon returning to Jordan, he was involve in groups that trying to Overthrown the King of Jordan and was arrested on gun charges in 1989 by Jordanian Authority. IT was said he was radicalize during this point either before or after the imprisonment.


Upon release from prison in 1999, he formed the JTJ and tried to carry out his first terrorist attack in Amman ( but failed, and fled to Pakistan after the fail attack and move to Afghanistan after Pakistan refused or deported him. At that point, he again met with OBL, this time with Taliban backing and start training his own group in Heret. With the protection of OBL and Taliban government.


Later, after 9/11, Afghanistan was invaded by multinational force and that forced Zarqawi to move from Afghanistan to Iraq after losing the Taliban protection. And at this point, he is still sectarian motivated as he still see Shi'a Muslim as his main enemy (By the account he did not stay and fight the ISAF and moved to Iraq instead) From 2002 to 2004, he target both Jordanian and Foreign personnel, attacks were carried out in Jordan (With the most famous Laurence Foley's assassination), Istanbul, Morocco.


At 2004 onward, after Iraq was invaded and liberated by the US forces in 2003, a Shi'a government was formed in Iraq. At this point, the JTJ pledge their support to AQI and joined hand with several small insurgency group and sunni tribe and formedTanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn, with Zarqawi leading the group and become the Iraq branch of AQ.


Attacks was carried out to both Coalition troop and Iraqi Government, until 2006 when the US government up their effort to clean up the Northern Iraqi Insurgency in Al-Anbar province. Zarqawi was killed in 2006, several AQI leader were capture or killed in subsequent years after the US troop surge. AQI moved into Syria in location where Zarqawi trained Jordanian Insurgent before.


The downfall come betwen 2008 to 2010 when US stepped up the effort in Northern Iraq region and push AQI influence to north of Mosul (The Northern most metro city in Iraq), which was the safe haven for AQI, most of the AQI commander were capture or killed during the fight to Mosul, US intelligence estimated tat only 8 of the original commander remain in power.


The resprite period comes at the onset of Syrian Civil War, with rebel group lacking the combat experience to combat the then battle hardened Syrian Troop (SAA) and AQI offer fighters which fought in Iraq against the American to the rebel group and train their rebel fighters. Thus cementing the chaotic relationship between Rebel Group and ISIS today.


What follow is that the rebel and AQI (now become Islamic State) restructure with a common objective of overthrowing Assad and this is where ISIS got its rank refilled. Mostly by Syrian and Iraqi, compare to Mostly Jordanian in JTJ years and mostly Iraqi and foreign fighter in AQI stage.

3-How they are evolved into a militant group?

originally part of Mujahedeen, he was trained by supposedly CIA during the 80s and was later leading their own group with the express purpose of expel the rejectionist of Islam (Shia believer) and Overthrown the illegitimate Jordanian Monarchy.

The turning point is where the US invaded Iraq and turn Iraq into Shia Government, where the JTJ then pledge to AQ. Which started what become ISIS Today

4-Definitely,in order to make their attacks ''effective'' they must needs funds and weapons,they need billions and millions,but how they get it?

Funding is siphon thru OBL connection in Saudi Arabia. The US could have pledged some support during the Mujahedeen era but unlikely to continue after the war between Soviet Russia and Afghanistan is over.


During JTJ Phase, weapon and money largely supported by Taliban, AQ and OBL connection, during the AQI stage, funding depends largely upon of foreign jihadist. During the ISIS stage, weapon came from Syria Opposition (either by capturing rebel forces equipment or by cooperation) and Captured Iraqi Weaponry. Money mostly by selling the crude from captured Iraqi Oil field and with normal trading between Iraq-Syria-Jordan. Drug is also a probable funding source.

5-Conspiracy theorists name different countries and accuse them for funding them with fuel to create economical instability.Is this a hypothesis or tested theory?

Depends on what kind of conspiracy theory you are talking about.


The mainstream conspiracy is that US created ISIS and funded and supported ISIS via Saudi Arabia. This can be furthest from the truth.


US would contribute in some degree as per US contribution to Mujahedeen during the Soviet-Afghan war, however, this is likely to stop as US are in no part of Afghan Civil War and Taliban power struggle immediately after the Soviet withdrawal. Also the organization precursor to ISIS existed before the US invade both Iraq and Afghanistan and with a totally different aims. Which basically to raise a holy war on the shia rejectionist. The US invasion basically just move the group's base from one place to another. And even after the AQI public hostilities toward the end of 2004 were aimed at Shia Government of Iraq and the unholy occupation of Muslim land. Basically nothing has changed both after US invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.


Saudi Arabia is blamed for the contribution of ISIS, it could be but as with all other Muslim nation, financial control virtually did not exist, it could be an underground effort to keep these group flowing.


Funding would not be on the table trade, so it would be quite hard to judge who is involve in funding these organisation, both pro or against the Western/Saudi

6-What ideology do they follow?

Salafist Fundamentalist

 

[haviZsultan]

I have the right to portray Nazis as mass-murderers because that's the truth. If you choose to portray Israelis as equivalent murderers that's defamation. If damages are proved it's a tort you can be sued for in civil court in the United States. If murder is the result it's incitement and you can be charged with the crime in a criminal court.

That sounds like a great deal of hypocrisy to me which is atypical of Americans like you. I don't see the problem of people depicting Israel as a rogue state and violent in nature. Most people here see them as aggressors.

Its also funny how Iran cannot have a nuke but Israel is the only country in the middle east to be sitting on a stockpile. There is a clear, differential treatment of Israel rather than any other country of the world. It is protected and pampered by baba America which is the father of world terrorism today with its support of jihad against the Soviets.

You created the jihadis of today and they are killing us like flies. Time to take up responsibility for your criminal actions-or continue denying. Your choice.

Also the real blame for Jew Muslim fighting when we were historically friendly is with the west. The British made a Jewish state in the middle of Muslim Arabia. If you ask me that was pre planned policy of forever making the Jews and Muslims fight. Americans like you don't realize your negative influence of interfering in the world is the cause of major problems today other than your support for all kinds of militant jihadis as a matter of policy in the past.

 

[Solomon2]

That sounds like a great deal of hypocrisy to me which is atypical of Americans like you. I don't see the problem of people depicting Israel as a rogue state and violent in nature -

That's because many, perhaps most, Pakistanis confuse what things are for what things are called. The moral rot runs very deep.

 

[TMA]

It is an arab Israeli or palestinian who joined ISIS probably, when Israel knows that an Israeli joined Israeli, he will lose his Israeli citizenshipBenjamin Netanyahu: Israelis joining ISIS will lose citizenship - Israel News - Jerusalem Post

But it is okay for ISIS fighters to be treated by Israeli institutions and physicians?