Alamgir Class Frigate

[Dark Angel]

Useless comment.

I advice you to do some research before commenting on subject that you have no idea about.READ THIS

FFG/ Alamgir Class Frigate have been constantly upgraded through out USN service. And once upgraded it will be superior to PN F-22P and par with IN Frigates such as Talwar class.
"AGE" is noting to judge about any equipment's capabilities. PAF F-16s and IAF Mirage-2k are as old as FFGs.
And btw these frigates are free of cost. Unless PN decides to add additional systems/armaments such as SM-2, Harpoon, RUM-139, Smart-S, LAMPS etc.

I think u can go to any level trying to prove ur self

And once upgraded it will be superior to PN F-22P and par with IN Frigates such as Talwar class

you tell everybody to do some research but u are the only one not doing what u preach


Talwar Class

BrahMos supersonic cruise missile

3M-54E Klub with a range of 220 kilometres

The Shtil-1 SAM system with a 3S-90 missile launcher

The SA-N-12 missile, 24 missiles are carried in a below-decks magazine

The Talwar class can accommodate one Ka-28 Helix-A antisubmarine helicopter or one Ka-31 Helix-B airborne early warning helicopter which can provide over-the-horizon targeting. The vessel can also embark the navalised variant of the indigenous HAL Dhruv.

Just the tip of the Iceberg


Talwar class




Perry class

 

[Myth_buster_1]

ok i read your link & everything had IMO in it! so what is your point?? your opinon is supposed to be taken as a fact???

No, Your opinion should be taken as "expert" opinion with very in depth knowledge.

 

[desiman]

its mean we can buy 10mn$ wheels of raptor and who knows latter we got raptors???????

omg thats funny bhaijan

 

[desiman]

Useless comment.

I advice you to do some research before commenting on subject that you have no idea about.READ THIS

FFG/ Alamgir Class Frigate have been constantly upgraded through out USN service. And once upgraded it will be superior to PN F-22P and par with IN Frigates such as Talwar class.
"AGE" is noting to judge about any equipment's capabilities. PAF F-16s and IAF Mirage-2k are as old as FFGs.
And btw these frigates are free of cost. Unless PN decides to add additional systems/armaments such as SM-2, Harpoon, RUM-139, Smart-S, LAMPS etc.

on par with the Talwar class are you joking with me , please go read about the capabilities of the Talwar class before you make such broad statements.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I think u can go to any level trying to prove ur self





you tell everybody to do some research but u are the only one not doing what u preach


Talwar Class

BrahMos supersonic cruise missile

3M-54E Klub with a range of 220 kilometres

The Shtil-1 SAM system with a 3S-90 missile launcher

The SA-N-12 missile, 24 missiles are carried in a below-decks magazine

The Talwar class can accommodate one Ka-28 Helix-A antisubmarine helicopter or one Ka-31 Helix-B airborne early warning helicopter which can provide over-the-horizon targeting. The vessel can also embark the navalised variant of the indigenous HAL Dhruv.

Just the tip of the Iceberg


Talwar class

Perry class

wanna know FFG tip of ice berg specs?

- Air search radar (SPS-49) range = 450KM
- (PN will most likely fallow Turkish path of upgrading their FFG with SMART-S radar along with SPS-49 and GENESİS combat management system)
- TACTAS SQR-19 provides very long-range passive detection of enemy submarines
- State of the art upgraded sonar suite SQQ-89 with SQS-56
- When MK13 launching system is retained FFG will be capable of firing 120+KM SM-2 and Harpoons.
- New Anti-sub missile will be installed (RUM-139).
- LAMPS most likely SH-60B

 

[Dark Angel]

wanna know FFG tip of ice berg specs?

- Air search radar (SPS-49) range = 450KM
- (PN will most likely fallow Turkish path of upgrading their FFG with SMART-S radar along with SPS-49 and GENESİS combat management system)
- TACTAS SQR-19 provides very long-range passive detection of enemy submarines
- State of the art upgraded sonar suite SQQ-89 with SQS-56
- When MK13 launching system is retained FFG will be capable of firing 120+KM SM-2 and Harpoons.
- New Anti-sub missile will be installed (RUM-139).
- LAMPS most likely SH-60B

Its like comparing Mig-21 to new gen Mig-35

the upgrades that ur stating above so arrogantly as if ur are the chief of naval staff

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Its like comparing Mig-21 to new gen Mig-35

the upgrades that ur stating above so arrogantly as if ur are the chief of naval staff

What was the criteria you used to come up with such a nonsense conclusion that FFG= Mig-21 and Talwar a Mig-35?
Let me guess, being a low quality poster you are you probably used age, and cost as criteria to judge the capability of the platform but thats what defines a troll.
And being a fanboy that you are your comprehension is only limited to cool looking designs rather then technical aspect of it.
Btw both Mirage-2000 and FFGs are almost equally as old.

 

[Penguin]

Google Mk 29 Searam. Click on the Wiki link. Read this:

The U.S. Navy plans to purchase a total of about 1,600 RAMs and 115 launchers to equip 74 ships. The missile is currently active aboard Nimitz class aircraft carriers, Wasp class amphibious assault ships, Tarawa class amphibious assault ships, San Antonio class amphibious transport dock ships, Whidbey Island class dock landing ships, and Harpers Ferry class dock landing ships. There are plans in place to equip Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates with Mk 29 RAM launchers.[1]

Wiki itself may not qualify at AUTHORITATIVE source. However, their source reference does qualify: Norman Polmar (2005). Ships and Aircraft of the U.S. Fleet. The Naval Institute. pp. 519.

After searching for the online version thereoff, I cannot verify this reference. Searching the online version on 'SeaRAM' I get only 2 hits In both cases, the hits are on pages that are not included in the online version (506 and 651). However, as you see, neither of these pages is page 519. Browsing to page 519, I end up with the entry about RAM Rolling Airframe Missile RIM 116A. There it says:

Early in 2000, the Navy revealed plans to provide frigates of the Oliver Hazard Perry class with Mk29 RAM launchers in place of the ships Mk13 launchers for Standard/Harpoon. In the event, their Mk13 launchers were deleted without replacement

Likewise on page 498:

Launch system Mk 13 mod 4: This was the last conventional missile launcher in US warships.Early in 2000, the Navy announced plans to replace the Mk13 launcher in the surviving Oliver Hazard Perry class with the RAM missile system

Note that the Mk29 is the 8-round launcher that is used for the RIM-7 Sea Sparrow missile (page 496). It would have to be installed on OHP, which normally uses Mk13. The advantage of using the M29 over the regular MK47 launcher for RAM would be a) lower costs due to use of available surplus launchers and b) a greater missile load of 32-40 compared to 21. While the mk29 launcher can be modified to hold RAM missiles (4 of 5 per cell IIRC) and thus give the frigates RAM capability, it certainly is not the SeaRAM, which is Phalanx CIWS based.

Meanwhile, I found:

SeaRAM arms the General Dynamics Flight 0 Littoral Combat Ship variant and may eventually be procured for installation aboard existing Perry class frigates, the first 27 Arleigh Burke class destroyers and the San Antonio class klanding ships

Eric Wertheim (2007) Naval Institute Guide to Combat Fleets of the World. 15th edition, Their ships, aircraft, and systems. United States Naval Institute, Naval Institute Press, Annapolis (Maryland). page 873

In sum, while no doubt the USN has explored various possible upgrade configurations, I remain unconvinced of there actually having been a serious plan to re-equip the OHP.

 

[Penguin]

A You Tube video of the Mk 49 RAM:

Mk 49 has 21 missiles whereas Mk 29 has 11 missiles..

The 8-cell Mk29 GMLS holds RIM-7 Sea Sparrow. Instead of a single Sea Sparrow, the cells can hold 4, perhaps 5 RIM116 RAM missile. Thus giving the Mk29 the capability for 32 and possibly even 40 RAM.

 

[Penguin]

IMHO:

If Mk13 with Standard/Harpoon is reinstated in OHPs transferred from USN to other navies, then OHP upgraded with e.g. SeaRam in place of Phalanx is indeed roughly on par with the Talwar class (which is essentially a revamped 1970-1980 design, namely the Russian Krivak III, which was originally a KGB border patrol ship). The Talwar may have longer range and faster Brahmos and heftier CIWS, but the OHP has better detection capabilities, better ASW and longer SAM reach.

An OHP without functional Mk13 but re-equipped with a single 21-round Mk47 RAM launcher and 2x4 rack-mounted Harpoon frward of the bridge would be superior to F22P in ASW and equal in terms of ASuW and AAW.

 

[Dark Angel]

What was the criteria you used to come up with such a nonsense conclusion that FFG= Mig-21 and Talwar a Mig-35?
Let me guess, being a low quality poster you are you probably used age, and cost as criteria to judge the capability of the platform but thats what defines a troll.
And being a fanboy that you are your comprehension is only limited to cool looking designs rather then technical aspect of it.
Btw both Mirage-2000 and FFGs are almost equally as old.

Everyone knows each others Intelligence on this forum dude .....

Just because ur getting some eight 30 yrs old used frigate makes it equivalent to all modern day ones

note if india was getting these it would be called "Junk class" ....such hypocrites

And lastly why are u comparing M-2000 jet to perry class ....a lot of things were made in those days why not compare it to the Apollo 11 Moonwalk

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Everyone knows each others Intelligence on this forum dude .....

Just because ur getting some eight 30 yrs old used frigate makes it equivalent to all modern day ones

note if india was getting these it would be called "Junk class" ....such hypocrites

And lastly why are u comparing M-2000 jet to perry class ....a lot of things were made in those days why not compare it to the Apollo 11 Moonwalk

Your low class of intelligence explains all this above.

 

[Areesh]

Everyone knows each others Intelligence on this forum dude .....

Just because ur getting some eight 30 yrs old used frigate makes it equivalent to all modern day ones

note if india was getting these it would be called "Junk class" ....such hypocrites

And lastly why are u comparing M-2000 jet to perry class ....a lot of things were made in those days why not compare it to the Apollo 11 Moonwalk

You are an Indian. We understand your problem.

 

[intelarpit]

You are an Indian. We understand your problem.

In a same way even we understand your problem

 

[Areesh]

In a same way even we understand your problem

Huh... You also understand. Now that's something new to all of us.