Al-Khalid II has been put to sleep .

[Bratva]

Even this suggests tell exactly what I am saying project is AK I and its about to enter production

Yar kabhi Common sense use kar liya karo About the terminologies used at defence.pk

AL-Khalid

Upgraded Al-Khalid = AL-Khalid 1

Al-Khalid 1 = Al-Khalid 2

And what you are saying completely wrong. AL-Khalid 1 project was pushed back to 2016 and now as per OP entire project is put on hold.

And if you have a better info with a source which says contrary to what OP saying, then do mention it instead of replying with I'm sure, I know this kind of silly replies

 

[rockstar08]

now that's a Disappointing news ...

 

[VelocuR]

That "rusty old" tank is the best in the region and can compete and hold on against any tank in the world.. And has been sold to several countries . It's watered down variant VT-1A sold to Myanmar,Bangladesh.. MBT-2000 to Morocco,Peru .. AK-I to KSA...

So where is money profits from sold to third world (Mynamar, Bangladesh, Morocco, Peru, KSA? If we have profits, why we haven't upgrade it to Al-Khalid Block 2 or Block 3 ??

Pakistan should sell it to advanced countries instead poor countries who barely make anything.

And it was upgraded into AK-I variant .... And 450 were in service meanwhile 50 more were in order when the MODP report was published that's 500 tanks... By the end of 2015!

Well, we are expecting more than 2000 Al-Khalids tanks in our inventories since 2001, we have been struggling and difficult time to follow up constantly. 450-500 is pretty low number, right?

If we have so much money from profits, where is it????

As for Turkish Tank .. Mind telling us how trumps AK-I on awareness etx ? Just like Altay AK is also equipped with an advanced battle management system ... Data link and UAV connectivity .... Sights ? Uses top o the line European sights .. Hunter killer ? gets from Lecrec.... Etc etc..

P.S: Hope you know that most of Turkish mega projects themselves are based on existing platforms .. t-129 is based on A-129... altay borrows heavily from Korean K2?... Firtina SPG is also based on Korean SPG..

No differences on Al-Khalid has heavy based on Chinese existing platforms, we borrow heavily from MBT-2000. Probably less features options than other counterparts.

Please see Altay's pictures again above.

Im no dismissing Turkish tech.. But cancelling your own project and getting Foriegn weapon makes no fukin sense !

Unless you love logistically nightmare and kill your own industry!... Cooperation makes more sense (which we already are.. Accordin to HIT official (interview)... They might equip it with the same systems as Altay.. (Cost effective than going for French options).

Also it is not 100% confirmation of AK-II project getting frozen ... MBT - 3000 was only offered to Pak doesn't mean PA has signed a deal or getting it!

Where was promised that Al-Khalid 2 will be revealed in recent IDEAS2014 and few years ago but nothing so far. It is clearly Pakistan has lost interested on Al-Khalid modification due to no funds, no future plans, and poor schedules many times. Other countries has more care on their technology upgrading frequently and provide more funds available (twice billion dollars) than Pakistan.

Everyone here are still very confused Al-Khalid 1 or 2 or A or 1A or whatever, right?

 

[kaonalpha]

Mods close this thread. Please for the love of all that is sane . Too much havoc on wrong info I've confirmed it . Please

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

So where is money profits from sold to third world (Mynamar, Bangladesh, Morocco, Peru, KSA? If we have profits, why we haven't upgrade it to Al-Khalid Block 2 or Block 3 ??

It's in my bank account.. Where is the money which we made by selling SMs to Iraq,KSA,Oman etc etx ???

And you forgot KSA (whom we sold 150 AK-Is).

Pakistan should sell it to advanced countries instead poor countries who barely make anything.

we should sell em to whoever is willing to buy/pay!


Surely France,USA,UK or Germany or Russians aren't going to buy when they already have their own projects .. ! (Common sense).

Well, we are expecting more than 2000 Al-Khalids tanks in our inventories since 2001, we have been struggling and difficult time to follow up constantly. 450-500 is pretty low number, right

When did they actual production start ? We're there financial restraints ? Specially after major natural disasters like 2005 earthquake ? The biblical floods? The economic collapse ? They didn't just effect AK project but also armed forces modernisation plan 2019 !... Acquisitions of 32 BLK-52s,Naval assets,army acquisitions etc etc! Wer though if that ?

If we have so much money from profits, where is it????

you want a reciept ?

No differences on Al-Khalid has heavy based on Chinese existing platforms, we borrow heavily from MBT-2000. Probably less features options than other counterparts.

Are you really that foolish ? MBt-2000 was the name of the fukin JV... Which was refined further into AK!

Less features .. Can you even name 4 important features ? Screw that ..
What do you even know about AK?

Please see Altay's pictures again above.

What? Pictures ? Are you serious !

Where was promised that Al-Khalid 2 will be revealed in recent IDEAS2014 and few years ago but nothing so far. It is clearly Pakistan has lost interested on Al-Khalid modification due to no funds, no future plans, and poor schedules many times. Other countries has more care on their technology upgrading frequently and provide more funds available (twice billion dollars) than Pakistan.

When the HELL did that happen ? The official conirmarion of AK-II came during recent IDEAS .. And according to he Janes interview it would roll out by mid or later 2016..(yeah NEXT YEAR NOT 2015!!! )

Everyone here are still very confused Al-Khalid 1 or 2 or A or 1A or whatever, right?

Confused soul ... AK was the basic model .. AK - I was the upgrade .. with upgrades to rate of fire,FCS,ammo capacity,main gun,protection/Armor,VARTA-I to name a few ! .. It rolled out in 2009-2010!

 

[Zarvan]

Yar kabhi Common sense use kar liya karo About the terminologies used at defence.pk

AL-Khalid

Upgraded Al-Khalid = AL-Khalid 1

Al-Khalid 1 = Al-Khalid 2

And what you are saying completely wrong. AL-Khalid 1 project was pushed back to 2016 and now as per OP entire project is put on hold.

And if you have a better info with a source which says contrary to what OP saying, then do mention it instead of replying with I'm sure, I know this kind of silly replies

Their is no AK II the new Tank is AK I and its development is completed and pretty much about to enter production and I know kind of silly things you are coming up with AK I is the new Tank project and is still running

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Mods close this thread. Please for the love of all that is sane . Too much havoc on wrong info I've confirmed it . Please

? Wrong info ..

Their is no AK II the new Tank is AK I and its development is completed and pretty much about to enter production and I know kind of silly things you are coming up with AK I is the new Tank project and is still running

Oye maulvi..

AK > baseline model.

AK-I > upgrade

AK-II > A 1500 HP heavy tank project.



USE YOUR DAMN BRAIN!

 

[Zarvan]

? Wrong info ..



Oye maulvi..

AK > baseline model.

AK-I > upgrade

AK-II > A 1500 HP heavy tank project.



USE YOUR DAMN BRAIN!

That upgrade was still called AK it was initially planned to be named AK I but later it was not done so even after up grades it was still called AK and new project is AK I and it is on even HIT guys few months back told it so all of a sudden in month its not dead

 

[Dazzler]

With MBT3000 available, why bother with AKII? MBT3000 is supposed to superseded ALL tanks in current PA service.
You really can't have small fleets of AK, AKI, AKII, Al-haider (MBT3000) and then also Type85, T-80s and Al Zarrars.
Doesn't make any sense. It seems more like Army got more funds now, so they want to go directly for MBT3000, just like Airforce might want the J-31.

You are grossly overestimating MBT 3000.

Why exactly was this post given a negative rating? @Dazzler
There was no abuse, no offensive stuff, nothing to do with personal attacks...... pathetic moderation really.

@Irfan Baloch see this is what I was talking about when I PM'ed you some time back....

There was sheer ignorance and idiocity beyond belief in that post. Don't quote me again or be ready for more.

 

[Donatello]

You are grossly overestimating MBT 3000.

Hmm, why? Since MBT3000 is expected to be a new system, it makes sense to make it have all the previous capabilities if not more.

 

[Tridibans]

You are grossly overestimating MBT 3000.



There was sheer ignorance and idiocity beyond belief in that post. Don't quote me again or be ready for more.

I read the forum rules shared with me by @Irfan Baloch .... where exactly does it say ignorance or stupidity deserves a negative rating? Anyways let it be.... I dont want to escalate this further.... cheerio

 

[alimobin memon]

Ak is enough to what respond to what enemies of Pakistan has to offer. I dont thing there is much need for AK2 anyway

 

[Echo_419]

Hmm, it had this share of skeptics from the word go bu the program has the potential. however, if true, which i will have to confirm from my sources who never really mentioned any such thing to date, there are a few things that need to be clarified to get a better perspective of the situation:

* Despite the success of Al khalid mbt project, which serves in two variants in pakistan army, mbt 2000 for Morocco, Bangladesh and that forsaken country Myanmar, the top brass at HIT is vary of spending $millions more on AK-2.

* Looking at the miserable condition of adversary's mbt and their capabilities, or incapabilities rather, putting AK-2 on hold would only made sense. In fact, even today, the PA armored corps enjoy a decent advantage in many areas

* Lack of infrastructure, technological know how, budget and several other factors are also there among other obstacles.

PA top brass considers the AK-2 as an overkill considering what they are to face in the battlefield in the near future. I have explained the reasons many a times

Still, this is the only time i have heard such news, will comment more after confirmation.

How is your tank fleet better than ours & in what area

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Dont worry, it'll be there, just a re branded mbt3000. The usual thing.

 

[Desert Fox]

He informed me that don't be surprised if MBT 3000 is revealed as Al-khalid 2.

What did i tell everyone!! Did i not say a few months ago that MBT-3000 will end up being labeled as Al-Khalid II . Nobody believed me at that time.