Akbar Bugti the Traitor or Patriot.

[Sam_Bajwa]

He was an opportunity missed by India to exploit the balochistan movement. India needs to get serious about these things in the future .

 

[Sam_Bajwa]

Yea sadly we are not civilized kurta pajama folk like your community, kaash hum bi mun may paan liye shair o shairi kartey howay tehzeeb sey "adaab" kehtay

hey,,,,,not another word against paan

 

[Danish saleem]

Brother,

stop making traitors, our traitor making factory already broke pakistan. we must think, because our attitude why people hate us!

In the case of Akber Bugti, he always a true democratic, he always support federation of Pakistan, but in last few year, because of our Traitor making factory, he started thinking that he was slave in Pakistan. we must also think, what r the policies of Musharaaf, that because of that Baluchi's started hating him. we never discuss the policies, we always discuss individuals.

He was CM of Baluchistan, he was Governor of Baluchistan!

We just think, that we are patriots, and all others are traitors.

 

[Skywalker]

Bugti was neither patriot nor enemy...he was a mass murderer ready to blackmail anyone. He wanted to have more loyality from the gas fields where he was already getting more than his limits.

Ask a layman from a bugti tribe and he will tell you how animal he was, so as his family. And he's not the on
Y one around.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Traitor as he prevented progress of Province

He maintained his rule using weapons and people who terrorized locals to submit to him

This case is well documented

Musharaf gave Balouchistan gift of water with help of other leaders and engineers of Pakistan

Good bye Bugti and rot in hell where you belong

Every one I spoke to during 80's stated same thing ... he prevented progress by insisting on developing the area himself and did not allowed government workers to work in region

 

[mastershoka]

Answer My Some Questions Properly Just For maintaining How much Pakistan is Loyal to his People?
1)Is there Any Video in which Bugti Says I hate Pakistan and i hate Pakistanis Like Altaf Hussian?
2)Any Constructions of Gas Pipeline in Baluchistan Where Majority of People Use wood cutting tricks For Their Kitchens Like Centuries Ago?
3)Was The Bugti Who Tried to sold Country Like other Political Leaders? OR any AgreeMent That conforms the selling of balochistan land or allying it with India?
4) What About Army and how it Works?Is it Right for Army To kill Anyone Without Clear Court Orders? or Clear proves of Crimes?Was the Supreme or High Court Order to wipe this terrorist?or was he a terrorist?Did musharraf Ever said He is a terrorist?
5)Is it Fair to Become a President As well as Commander in Cheif of Army? Any Law of Constitution or any Article If it is Then how will Army will plot safety coup if President Do something Wrong While Both are Same People?Will a Messiah From Sky Comes and says You are Doing Wrong so stop it?
6)How Many People died in those Years When F.c Tried to Eliminate Bugti?Were They Less in 0.1 million? Was there No violence in Entire Balochistan?All People's are Blindly Fool That support a terrorist Leader
7)That terrorist Leader was in balochistan Since The time of Quaid e azam Then why he didn't throw Balochistan in those All years?or Did he Used to live in a foreign country Like British or Japan our other political people used to live.
OTHER QUESTIONS
8)Compare The Graph of casualties of People in Baluchistan Before and After The Death of Bugti? Which Graph hav Higher casualties And why?
9)Why This country calling Himself Islamic republic Blames Israel?While his actions are same Like Israel.
casualties of zarb e adab Operation in Baluchistan Even Forcing Baloch Womens to do Mujra?
10)Why Ban Geo News if he keeps Real Proves Against Dirty Army actions?
11) Is it True Punjab Means Pakistan?
12)How many Electricity Pakistan supply to Baluchistan? Can anyone Say it is more then 10%? with proves?
13)Isn't it True When you are in Seat of President You can Do whatever you Want 1000 of cases do nothing to you But When They step Down you will see them Running from country of behind jails.(Prove me Wrong)
14)What is the Meaning of Article NRO and how come its fair to openly Pass such article which gets rejected in parliament Still passes.
15)What is The biggest reason That baloch people stopped Voting and Participating with Pakistani People?
16)Why Ozair baloch is Still not hanged When he is responsible for the Deaths of 197 People Including Some Police Officers? Isn't it Right He is being Keep Till the Time of Voting so he can Turn Lyari People in Favor of PPP?
17)Zia Ul Haq Name Contains Haq Killed Bhutto in jail In the Name of hanging and today court says bhutto was Innocent?
Will They after 30 Years If this Hell Survives WW3 will They say Bugti was Good ?
18)What is The meaing of Keeping mujahiddin or jaish e muhammad if you have a Solid Army in top 10 ranking?
including rangers police F.c commando ISI special Forces military Still Keeping Terrorists? Sorry may i call them Loyal fighters?
19)Why This Muslim Country Continue to Beg From other countries?And what is the Logic of Musharraf of Being a billionaire just after Leaving Presidency? Same of zardari Swiss Account with Rain of dollars.
20)Is The scenario of balochistan Isn't same Like Libya? Once gaddafi is Gone Country wiped and Bugti is Gone Baluchistan Dead And now including in list of taliban.
I THINK THESE POINTS ARE ENOUGH IF YOU FEEL A POINT IS USELESS IGNORE IT BUT THERE ARE SOME IMP POINTS IN THIS CHAT IF YOU REALLY LOVE PAKISTAN THEN ANSWER THEM MAYBE MY MISUNDERSTANDING WILL END AFTER KNOWNING THOSE SOLID REASONS AND I MAYBE UNDERSTAND HOW PAKISTAN ARMY,PARLIAMENT,PRESIDENTS,LAW AND ORDER WORKS THANKS

 

[MastanKhan]

Using own military against people who have been part of the federation is wrong, people like taliban never believed in it, but Baloch did, hence it was wrong for musharraf to use pakistan army to get rid of his political opponents, before musharraf same was done by Z.A. Bhutto.

so using state tools to eliminate political opponents is wrong, must negotiate and give due rights..

Hi,

What La La land are you living in my man---even in the USA---once the states that joined will be kept together at gun point.

Let someone try a seperatist movement in the U S---see what happens.

Whether he was a patriot or not, is difficult to say for he was a stern Baloch nationalist (wont even speak in Urdu but in English instead whenever possible) but he was not a traitor at least, in my humble opinion. As a bureaucrat in Balochistan between 1972-1999, my father has interacted with him a lot. I also got to see him several times, real up close when he came to our College. I don't know but I guess he did not have to die how he did.

Hi,

When you meet Mr. Bugti---you may ask him why he chose to die in the manner he did?

Hi,

The problem with Musharraf was his marketing team---. They could not fight properly in front of the media.

 

[ebrahym]

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Allegation: Musharraf ordered the killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti.

Rebuttal: Is this supposed to be an ‘objection’?

First, if the former President ordered the killing of Akbar Bugti, then, in our estimation (for reasons explained below), he did the right thing and we should be thankful to him for getting rid of an arch enemy of Pakistan. At most, we can only fault Mr Musharraf with allegedly ordering the killing so late. The alleged order should have been issued by Mr Musharraf immediately upon attaining power in 1999.

Second, Mr Musharraf did not, unfortunately, ‘order’ Akbar Bugti’s killing. Bugti was attacking the Pakistan Army, the Frontier Corps, firing hundreds of rockets upon gas pipelines, kidnapping Chinese engineers, and was openly opposing the State of Pakistan. He wanted Balochistan to breakaway from Pakistan and become an independent State. We should never tolerate anyone who threatens the territorial integrity of our Country and the Pakistan Army and the Frontier Corps have the full right to protect Pakistan and to defend themselves.. Bugti was killed while he was in the process of attacking the Frontier Corps and waging war on the Armed Forces of Pakistan.


Third, if the intention of the Armed Forces was to kill Akbar Bugti, then senior officers (Colonel, Major and a Captain) would never have ventured inside the cave in which Akbar Bugti was present with his thugs. Almost certainly, the officers stepped inside the cave to negotiate with Akbar Bugti, not to kill him.


Fourth, we can be virtual certain about one thing: the cave collapsed as a result of an explosion caused by a grenade or a rocket launcher from Bugti's side. We have two scenarios:


A) as the senior Pakistani officers went inside the cave, a rocket/bomb misfired from Bugti's side or was deliberately fired from within the cave causing it to collapse, thereby killing Akbar Bugti, his thugs and resulting in the martyrdom of the Pakistani officers;

B) Akbar Bugti decided to commit suicide, rather than surrender, and take everyone out with him.


Note: Please scroll down to read a short report published by the Daily Times in 2009

Bugti's Character


Akbar Bugti boasted about committing his first murder whilst still in his early teens (emphasis added):


"“Of course,” said the Nawab, “you must remember that I killed my first man when I was twelve. “ That is how Sylvia Matheson’s definitive book on the Baluchis, ‘Tigers of Baluchistan’ begins. “The man annoyed me” had been his explanation. “I’ve forgotten what it was about…. I’ve rather a hasty temper you know… as the eldest son of the Chieftain, I was perfectly entitled to do as I pleased in my own territory."


In another interview, this time to The Economist, we find Bugti presenting the following gem (emphasis added):


“What is better than seeing your enemies driven before you and then taking their women to bed?”


[Baluchistan, Turning a fight into a war: Pakistan's aggressive policy towards its aggrieved west is causing chaos, in The Economist, Jun 29th 2006, http://www.economist.com/node/7121811]


Below we find Bugti admitting that his fighters killed 35 SSG commados:

We Killed More Than 35 SSG Commandos - Confession of Akbar Bugti | Tune.pk

This shameful character is labelled a “shaheed” by many ignorant folks in Pakistan.


As if the above is not enough, Akbar Bugti was also responsible for the ethnic cleansing and large-scale killings of the members of the largest Bugti sub-tribe, the Kalpar tribe. Thousands of members of the Kalpar tribe were forced out of their homes and lived in exile in Sindh and Punjab for years. Akbar Bugti also murdered the children of Khan Muhammad Kalpar, the leader of the Kalpar tribe. It was Mr Musharraf who came to the rescue of the Kalpars and made it possible for them to return to their homeland after living in refugee camps for 15 years.

Addendum

Also see this report of the Daily Times - 03 May 2009 (emphasis original):

‘Akbar Bugti caused the explosion that led to his death’

LAHORE: A close aide of late Baloch nationalist leader Nawab Akbar Bugti has claimed that a rocket fired by Bugti caused the explosion that led to the nationalist leader’s death. “When security forces entered the cave where he (Bugti) was hiding, he attempted to fend them off by firing a shell. This caused a massive explosion, which resulted in the cave-in that led to the death of Bugti, one colonel, two majors and three commandoes,” Wadera Muhammad Murad Bugti told a private TV channel. He said the late Bugti had decided that he would rather die fighting than surrender to the security forces. “When forces besieged his cave on August 26, 2006, he asked his comrades to leave the cave and let him fight them alone,” he added. daily times monitor


Quetta Express named after Akbar Bugti

PMLN went a step further, and named Quetta Express after him. Some researcher should ascertain the billions Bugti caused this poor country in blowing up gas pipelines, electric pylons, bridges and so on for 11 years. And for what? For being politically sidelined!!


@Horus @Leader @Irfan Baloch @Khalidr @Norwegian @A.Rafay @Akheilos @Rashid Mahmood @Zarvan @Jzaib @Cheetah786 @TankMan @EyanKhan
@Jazzbot

offering utmost respect to everyone
first we have to realize the political structure of balochistan
it is based on tribalism and feudalism
after the fall of khan of kallat it became exactly like present day FATA and should have been dealt with like that
when a leader of one tribe comes up it try to exploit its enemy tribes be it bugti mengal or raisani
its as simple as that

View attachment 156479

Allegation: Musharraf ordered the killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti.

Rebuttal: Is this supposed to be an ‘objection’?

First, if the former President ordered the killing of Akbar Bugti, then, in our estimation (for reasons explained below), he did the right thing and we should be thankful to him for getting rid of an arch enemy of Pakistan. At most, we can only fault Mr Musharraf with allegedly ordering the killing so late. The alleged order should have been issued by Mr Musharraf immediately upon attaining power in 1999.

Second, Mr Musharraf did not, unfortunately, ‘order’ Akbar Bugti’s killing. Bugti was attacking the Pakistan Army, the Frontier Corps, firing hundreds of rockets upon gas pipelines, kidnapping Chinese engineers, and was openly opposing the State of Pakistan. He wanted Balochistan to breakaway from Pakistan and become an independent State. We should never tolerate anyone who threatens the territorial integrity of our Country and the Pakistan Army and the Frontier Corps have the full right to protect Pakistan and to defend themselves.. Bugti was killed while he was in the process of attacking the Frontier Corps and waging war on the Armed Forces of Pakistan.


Third, if the intention of the Armed Forces was to kill Akbar Bugti, then senior officers (Colonel, Major and a Captain) would never have ventured inside the cave in which Akbar Bugti was present with his thugs. Almost certainly, the officers stepped inside the cave to negotiate with Akbar Bugti, not to kill him.


Fourth, we can be virtual certain about one thing: the cave collapsed as a result of an explosion caused by a grenade or a rocket launcher from Bugti's side. We have two scenarios:


A) as the senior Pakistani officers went inside the cave, a rocket/bomb misfired from Bugti's side or was deliberately fired from within the cave causing it to collapse, thereby killing Akbar Bugti, his thugs and resulting in the martyrdom of the Pakistani officers;

B) Akbar Bugti decided to commit suicide, rather than surrender, and take everyone out with him.


Note: Please scroll down to read a short report published by the Daily Times in 2009

Bugti's Character


Akbar Bugti boasted about committing his first murder whilst still in his early teens (emphasis added):


"“Of course,” said the Nawab, “you must remember that I killed my first man when I was twelve. “ That is how Sylvia Matheson’s definitive book on the Baluchis, ‘Tigers of Baluchistan’ begins. “The man annoyed me” had been his explanation. “I’ve forgotten what it was about…. I’ve rather a hasty temper you know… as the eldest son of the Chieftain, I was perfectly entitled to do as I pleased in my own territory."


In another interview, this time to The Economist, we find Bugti presenting the following gem (emphasis added):


“What is better than seeing your enemies driven before you and then taking their women to bed?”


[Baluchistan, Turning a fight into a war: Pakistan's aggressive policy towards its aggrieved west is causing chaos, in The Economist, Jun 29th 2006, http://www.economist.com/node/7121811]


Below we find Bugti admitting that his fighters killed 35 SSG commados:

We Killed More Than 35 SSG Commandos - Confession of Akbar Bugti | Tune.pk

This shameful character is labelled a “shaheed” by many ignorant folks in Pakistan.


As if the above is not enough, Akbar Bugti was also responsible for the ethnic cleansing and large-scale killings of the members of the largest Bugti sub-tribe, the Kalpar tribe. Thousands of members of the Kalpar tribe were forced out of their homes and lived in exile in Sindh and Punjab for years. Akbar Bugti also murdered the children of Khan Muhammad Kalpar, the leader of the Kalpar tribe. It was Mr Musharraf who came to the rescue of the Kalpars and made it possible for them to return to their homeland after living in refugee camps for 15 years.

Addendum

Also see this report of the Daily Times - 03 May 2009 (emphasis original):

‘Akbar Bugti caused the explosion that led to his death’

LAHORE: A close aide of late Baloch nationalist leader Nawab Akbar Bugti has claimed that a rocket fired by Bugti caused the explosion that led to the nationalist leader’s death. “When security forces entered the cave where he (Bugti) was hiding, he attempted to fend them off by firing a shell. This caused a massive explosion, which resulted in the cave-in that led to the death of Bugti, one colonel, two majors and three commandoes,” Wadera Muhammad Murad Bugti told a private TV channel. He said the late Bugti had decided that he would rather die fighting than surrender to the security forces. “When forces besieged his cave on August 26, 2006, he asked his comrades to leave the cave and let him fight them alone,” he added. daily times monitor


Quetta Express named after Akbar Bugti

PMLN went a step further, and named Quetta Express after him. Some researcher should ascertain the billions Bugti caused this poor country in blowing up gas pipelines, electric pylons, bridges and so on for 11 years. And for what? For being politically sidelined!!


@Horus @Leader @Irfan Baloch @Khalidr @Norwegian @A.Rafay @Akheilos @Rashid Mahmood @Zarvan @Jzaib @Cheetah786 @TankMan @EyanKhan
@Jazzbot

offering utmost respect to everyone
first we have to realize the political structure of balochistan
it is based on tribalism and feudalism
after the fall of khan of kallat it became exactly like present day FATA and should have been dealt with like that
when a leader of one tribe comes up it try to exploit its enemy tribes be it bugti mengal or raisani
its as simple as that