Akbar and other Mughals

[nitesh28]

In this forum the name of Aurangzeb is sometimes mentioned but not of the other Mughal Rulers. Is there ant specific reason or just that Aungzeb is more popular in pakistan.

I agree in India Auranzeb is not liked much and Akbar is considered better.

I would like to know a pakistani perspective about the other Mughals and specially Akbar.

Links of articles will be appreciated.

 

[Awesome]

What's there to like/dislike about Mughals? Characters in the story book of history, thats it.

 

[Righteous_Fire]

Your basic argument i.e.

In this forum the name of Aurangzeb is sometimes mentioned but not of the other Mughal Rulers.

is completely false.

Post references to your argument, what has convinced you that this is so?

Why on earth would we Pakistanis favor some Mughal ruler over another





In hindsight, this shows the popular Indian hyped and propagandized hatred for one particular Mughal Emperor

 

[nitesh28]

My intention is clear and i have mentioned in my orignal post that in india we have a poor opinion of Aurangzeb compared to Akbar. why accuse me of something wich i have already accepted.

 

[nitesh28]

And my basic argument is I want to know more about Akbar as mentioned in history books of Pakistan? leave out the Aurangzeb part it will take the question off topic.

 

[advaita]

@nitesh28 - Quite a few people consider the history of people as the true perspective. Emperors are just a product of the population. Only time Emperors matter is when they are alive and have a +ve/-ve contribution to history of the general populace (ie. you and me)

Just my opinion that it is not very important to discuss Akbar/A.zeb

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

And my basic argument is I want to know more about Akbar as mentioned in history books of Pakistan? leave out the Aurangzeb part it will take the question off topic.

Well, he was avara for sure.......................!

 

[insight-out]

Your basic argument i.e.



is completely false.

Post references to your argument, what has convinced you that this is so?

Why on earth would we Pakistanis favor some Mughal ruler over another





In hindsight, this shows the popular Indian hyped and propagandized hatred for one particular Mughal Emperor

Come on righteous, you know we do favour some rulers over others. Akbar may be admired by Hindus but he certainly has few fans in Pakistan because of his alleged heresy. Aurangzeb on the other hand is respected because of his devoutness, strength and justice.

Muslims and Hindus will never agree on who was good and who was bad because they do not have the same yard stick or criteria to make that judgement. So this thread is really an exercise in futility.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Come on righteous, you know we do favour some rulers over others. Akbar may be admired by Hindus but he certainly has few fans in Pakistan because of his alleged heresy. Aurangzeb on the other hand is respected because of his devoutness, strength and justice.

Muslims and Hindus will never agree on who was good and who was bad because they do not have the same yard stick or criteria to make that judgement. So this thread is really an exercise in futility.

A'Zeb was devout & all but over did a few things. Killed his own brother & jailed his father. Dara was the rightful emperor no AZ. Not very muslim like I must say!

 

[insight-out]

A'Zeb was devout & all but over did a few things. Killed his own brother & jailed his father. Dara was the rightful emperor no AZ. Not very muslim like I must say!

I am not judging his actions. He is dead now and God is the ultimate judge. But I can tell you one thing for sure. In Islam, authority over a people cannot be inherited. In fact, hereditary rule is neither prohibited nor sanctioned by Islam. If the son happens to be the best man for the job, then he should be the successor. If someone unrelated to the ruling family is the most qualified, then he should be the one to take the helm.

Granted, our history is replete with dynastic monarchies, but this system of government does not find sanction in the shariah. In some cases the rightful successor and the best man for the job happened to be the same person. This was often the case because he was mentally prepared and had been groomed from childhood to assume that position. Unfortunately we also have plenty of examples in our history where the successor turned out to be incompetent, greedy, tyrannical, treacherous or all of the above.

Since you say it was "not very Muslim like", let me come to the point. From an Islamic perspective Aurangzeb had as much right to the throne as Dara. Because it is not about the line of succession. It is about who can do a better job.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

In islam there is no Monarchy or Kingship so those rules do not apply! Even if you read old testament you will see that when the people demanded a king to rule over them form Allah, they were forewarned but were given a King when , as usual, they kept insisting.
Even otherwise, it was not for AZ to take it upon himself to decide to become the emperor. The mere was in which he took over is such a sin!
Would all his prayer, fasting & charity be accepted when he put his father in jail & murdered his brother who was 100% harmless? I let you decide!

 

[insight-out]

I can't decide because I'm not God. I was just making the point that Dara was not the rightful emperor, as you had stated.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

I can't decide because I'm not God. I was just making the point that Dara was not the rightful emperor, as you had stated.

Why was he not? And how could AZ take it upon himself to nominate himself?

 

[nitesh28]

what does the official history books say

 

[Patriot]

Well, in my Pakistan Studies book it is stated that the mughals were weakened due to the wars they fought for succession in which several great commanders died..they did not develop weapons, they had no naval wing etc..