this patwari wants a war between india and pakistan. these azad kasmiris want freedom from pakistan. we should give it to them. the kashmiris betrayed us in 65 and what is the guarantee that they wont betray us again? i have met with kashmiris they wont even consider themselves as pakistanis. there is no struggle in IOK against india. their own leaders fully supported indian government and became part of them. i am sure that there is no strict curfew in kashmir. its not possible to put curfew in a huge area for such a long time but there is no response from the locals. i am foreseeing separation of AK is on the cards. and it will be better for pak to pull her forces from AK and let india handle them. i am sure they will be more happy with indian military.
india is not giving internet and international media access to IOK. but in pak situation is different. every other day the JKLF goons are protesting against pak and raising slogans against pakistan. these protests are given adequate coverage in international media and indian media. if situation goes like this and patwaris like him in command i think pak will have to give them independence which will be blessing in disguise.
The only part of this post you got right or can even be considered remotely sensible is that he is a Nawaz Sharif supporter.
No the Azad Kashmiris do not want freedom from Pakistan and who is
WE? You? Do not include the rest of the nation in your crazy idea, these are your own views.
You then seem to confuse yourself with your own post! You are mixing up events with the Valley Kashmiris with those from Azad Kashmir i.e. two different groups! The Valley Kashmiris yes did betray the Pakistani Army, but the Azad Kashmiris were the vanguard who charged into the region with the SSG during operation Gibraltar, who do you think knew the region better than they did?
You're also foreseeing the separation of AK, on what evidence you basing that upon? A few emotional words from a minority, and a pro Nawaz prime minister lamenting?
So it's better for Pak to pull out its forces is it? First of all let me correct you, it won't be Pak anymore it will Pa the
K will be missing, and you should also lead the petition to change Pakistan's name as well to '
Paistan' because you want Kashmir gone. Seeing as you made yourself army chief do leave out the Azad Kashmir regiment as they won't go and leave their ancestral land to India, to sit sipping tea in Lahore. You know the folks who actually
WON AZAD KASHMIR in in the first place.
We will go down fighting, regardless of your disgusting post of
"let Indian handle them" so you obviously wish for women to be mass raped, children to be killed and old people to be slaughtered as that is what will happen. No worries because pretty soon
you will find the borders of Pakistan will start at Rawalpindi/Islamabad itself, the guns of thousands of Indian tanks will be well within the range of Pakistan's capital and other multiple cities. Do you realise what this means, that the slightest armoured push from India will result in Pasistan being cut into two pieces and the fall of the nation. Whatever strategic depth Pakistan had will be gone. The nation would not be defendable, and you can't drop nukes within your own heartland, so you can rule those out.
Take a look at the map;
As for us being happy with the Indian military did you advocate the same for Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and the numerous terrorist assaults that have shaheed thousands of Pakistani soliders over the years from home grown, mainly Pashtun terror groups? Should the region be given over to Afghanistan? After all they claim it as well. How about Baluchistan been given over to Iran, how many terror outfits have we seen from there, made up of Balochis who have killed Pakistani army personal. Heck the army has been there three times to put down rebellions, should that be given over as well?
But here you are advocating AJK be given over to India on the basis of mere words.
There has never been a group emanating from AJK who has attacked the Pakistani army, our people would never allow it, and they would be slaughtered and hunted down. Even Punjab i.e. the Punjabi Taliban has had a group who killed Pakistani army troops, why don't you hand over Punjab so it can be part of Indian Punjab. I'm sure all the people living in the regions above will be ecstatic with such suggestions. No? So why do you think we would be?
As for JKLF these people have been around for years, they are a minority and will remain so. As for a blessing in disguise, see what I wrote above again. Secondly no one and I mean no one can do that to us. We freed ourselves in 1948 when the Pakistani army engaged elsewhere. The very reason for other Pakistanis proudly saying that Kashmir also lies with us is because of the Azad Kashmir Regular Forces, of which my grandfather and my entire elder generation helped found and fought for.
-It was us who gave Pakistan a fighting chance in the wars it has fought.
-it was us who fought every war with Pakistan.
-It was us who beat that Indian pilot's a$$ when he crashed in Azad Kashmir.
-It was use who welcomed the army with roses and cheers.
And I could go on.
By the way an Indian 'thanked' you for your post, I hope you feel you accomplished something worthwhile.
We care about the land because of the people settled there.
His comments must not be ignored. there are a lot of kashmiris who are falling for his words and propaganda. and loads are raising questions like what has PA done for them. even wajahat saeed khan encountered this sentiment when did a Mahaz show on the LoC. just look at the comments of kashmiris on bbc urdu's post two-three days ago. I say Pakistan should offer to withdraw its troops from AJK, and let them deal with India.
So a few words sway your opinion and the show from Khan? These people are a tiny minority, where are the armed groups wanting independence, where are the mass rallies every day? Where are the expat communities demanding freedom from Pakistan in the UK and other countries? They aren't.
They're emotional as they are under fire, something the rest of Pakistan does not face, put yourself in their position. People say things under stress.
naah, just Kashmir. GB people hate it when someone says that they are a part of Kashmir. It is the Kashmiris who think that Pakistanis are bad, and that we should leave them alone. I say we should do just that. let them face Indian Army all alone.
There's no
we in this, it's your own opinion, yes we will face them ourselves if it comes to you becoming the leader of Pakistan. If we lose, which we probably will, they will be coming for you and their job would have been made a great deal easier then.....
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Brothers and sisters we are now seeing their posts being thanked by Indian posters and being used as propaganda as well. Such posts are literally treasonous, how the heck can this place be considered a 'Pakistani defence site' when we have two members openly talking about handing over territory and the people to India?
I ignored it at first, and it's the same few posters doing it (see above) but my patience is now running thin with these lot. It should be a ban causing offence, nothing less. Would we be ok with people talking about handing over parts of Pakistan to the enemy?
I await your responses, otherwise it's sad to say I don't really see myself having a place here, along with the many other posters who hail from AJK.
