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Aircraft carrier Gorshkov's delivery date extended

What, nothing on the tall talk of "Penalty of Rs 600 cr may be imposed for Gorshkov delay". ??

I guess it was all hot air for home audience. !!

rubblish aircraft carrier

They would not like to do so under current situations where Russia & Pakistan are Expanding ties.
Things will get worse.
even FGFA is CONFIRMED delayed by 2020 sponsored by Russia (with love). :P

India's special partner Russia hahaha ...

stupid hindus...china is unlikely to deploy its carriers to waters adjacent to south asia and africa until it gets at least half a dozen on its hand and probably 2020. so really the only reason hindus compared the induction dates of their ship and the chinese ship is not any military competition in the foreseeable future but the massive, easily-inflated and just-as-easily-deflated hindu ego. it isn't about anything else.

I love it!! You know you're doing something right when there are that many backsides burning and fools spouting illogical nonsense.
 
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I love it!! You know you're doing something right when there are that many backsides burning and fools spouting illogical nonsense.
Funny thing is IN has been operating ACC for over 50 years, has used ACC in war with success, IN pilot fly one of the most difficult planes to land , Harrier VTOL/STOVL, have vast experience in this field. Not to forget IN officers are training ion Vikki.

When they discuss VIKKI, they should also keep these points in mind. They have lots of catch up to do in this field. And Pakistani posters on ACC thread is funny too as they never operated one and they have faced punch of our ACC and our pilots during 1971 and naval blockade.
 
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LOL seven out of eight boilers exploded. It can't be fixed without taking apart the hull. Vikra is as good as scrap metal. China is so smart to sell indians bad bricks and charge them lots of money.
 
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LOL seven out of eight boilers exploded. It can't be fixed without taking apart the hull. Vikra is as good as scrap metal. China is so smart to sell indians bad bricks and charge them lots of money.

The problem has nothing to do with bricks. It's the sealant. But India will pay for the repairs nonetheless.
 
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Funny thing is IN has been operating ACC for over 50 years, has used ACC in war with success, IN pilot fly one of the most difficult planes to land , Harrier VTOL/STOVL, have vast experience in this field. Not to forget IN officers are training ion Vikki.

When they discuss VIKKI, they should also keep these points in mind. They have lots of catch up to do in this field. And Pakistani posters on ACC thread is funny too as they never operated one and they have faced punch of our ACC and our pilots during 1971 and naval blockade.

You know the Chinese really have a good ACC, so they have the right to criticise us. But I do wonder what gives Pakistanis the right to criticise us.
 
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EzioAltaïr;3490612 said:
You know the Chinese really have a good ACC, so they have the right to criticise us. But I do wonder what gives Pakistanis the right to criticise us.

naturally pakistani navy has a smaller budget and has less acquisitions than its indian counterpart, but if it is a matter of managing one's given budget and getting most value out of it and better governing the process of procurement, i guess even the mongolians have earned the right to laugh at indian navy
 
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naturally pakistani navy has a smaller budget and has less acquisitions than its indian counterpart, but if it is a matter of managing one's given budget and getting most value out of it and better governing the process of procurement, i guess even the mongolians have earned the right to laugh at indian navy

:lol:, hardly the correct deduction. But if it pleases you, then continue to believe it.
 
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LOL seven out of eight boilers exploded. It can't be fixed without taking apart the hull. Vikra is as good as scrap metal. China is so smart to sell indians bad bricks and charge them lots of money.

India didn't buy them. Is it really hard for your tiny brain to get that A.Hole ??? Is your Brain too made in china :rofl:

big talk but delay delay all the time, so shameful

Are you that low life kid lamon12345 with fake account ???
You English is as good as his. Looser
 
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India didn't buy them. Is it really hard for your tiny brain to get that A.Hole ??? Is your Brain too made in china :rofl:

indeed it was russians who bought them - russians ordered the very lowest quality bricks from suppliers that weren't even certified (maybe found on taobao or something). yah, ordering bricks from taobao - that is how much respect russians gave to yindoos these days, and russians actually got paid by the yindoo lots! so for all the pakistani and chinese spectators of this spectacular yindoo blunder, we have even less reason to pamper your bloated yindoo ego - we only need to tell it as it is: you guys got assraped and ultimately failed yourselves as a military and as a country.
 
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It’s official, Gorshkov gets delayed by another year

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The chemistry between the Indian and Russian defence ministers was notably cold yesterday. Antony stared ahead, jaws clenched, Serdyukov seemed embarrassed and Ambassador Kadakin (on Serdyukov's left) played the amiable joker

Visiting Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov also says production of fifth-generation fighter to start only in 2020


In a blow to the Indian Navy’s aircraft carrier programme, visiting Russian defence minister Anatoly Serdyukov on Wednesday confirmed that the Indian Navy would receive the aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya (formerly called the Gorshkov), only a year from now.
Business Standard had reported last month (September 18, 2012, ‘“Gorshkov curse” continues, aircraft carrier fails trials’) that the 45,000 tonne aircraft carrier, which Russia was to deliver to India in 2008, would now be delivered after October 2013, having suffered a major engine failure during ongoing sea trials in the Barents Sea.

On Wednesday in New Delhi, a visibly embarrassed Serdyukov admitted at a press conference, “We believe the transfer of the ship from Russia to the authorities in India will take place in the fourth quarter of 2013.”

His stony-faced Indian counterpart, AK Antony, who sat next to Serdyukov without looking at him, kept open the option of invoking a penalty clause in the contract which allows India to penalise Russia for the delay, to the extent of five per cent of the ship’s cost. Asked specifically about the penalty clause, Antony responded, “These are issues we will discuss later… not now. Now, our main concern is the early delivery (of the Vikramaditya).”

Adding to Antony’s discomfiture, Serdyukov also stated that the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) India and Russia are co-developing, would only start production by 2020. In that case, it would not enter service with the Indian Air Force (IAF) before 2022-23. Antony has earlier stated the FGFA would join the IAF by 2017.

Serdyukov is in New Delhi for the 12th meeting of the India-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation, a government-to-government structure that India has only with Russia, its biggest arms market.

But the long-playing story of INS Vikramaditya continues to batter Russia’s image as an arms supplier to India. Besides the five-year delay (assuming the vessel is delivered next year), Russia has raised the cost of the Vikramaditya by as much as three-fold. In 2004, India signed an agreement to pay Russia $947 million to refurbish the Gorshkov, which the Russian Navy was not accepting after a boiler room explosion incapacitated the vessel. While the vessel itself has been given “free of cost”, the cost of refurbishing it has risen steadily to $2.3 billion. It remains unclear whether the new delay increases the cost further.

In giving India the Gorshkov “for free”, Moscow also got New Delhi to buy 16 MiG-29K/KUB fighters for $1 billion. In 2010, India paid another $1.2 billion for another 29 MiG-29K/KUB fighters.

But Serdyukov plays down the delay, claiming the Vikramaditya is “of the highest sophistication.” While admitting the engine failure was a setback, the Russian defence minister insisted that Russia would be “transferring an operable, perfect quality ship.” This, he said, would be ensured by extensive sea trials, in which over 11,000 nautical miles have already been covered in the White Sea and Baltic Sea.

Separately, in an interview to The Times of India, Russia’s deputy premier, Dmitry Rogozin, said, “Russia is the most consistent Indian partner and the Indian share in sensitive Russian military exports amounts to 30 per cent. In our military cooperation, we have never been driven by political ambitions or expediency. We have never supplied weapons to India’s opponents. From 2001 to 2010, contracts worth more than $30 billion were signed with over 20 inter-governmental agreements inked.”

Compounding the delay in the delivery of the aircraft carrier, the navy faces delays in inducting the INS Vikrant, the indigenous aircraft carrier being built by the Cochin Shipyard.

Originally slated to enter service in 2015, the indigenously built INS Vikrant will now be commissioned only in 2017 because of problems with its engines and gears, and an accident in which trucks that were transporting the ships generators from Pune to Kochi overturned en route, damaging the equipment.

Broadsword: It’s official, Gorshkov gets delayed by another year
 
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India has Andaman and Nicobar Islands to counter China and to block Malacca straits no need to worry. India is blessed with natural floating carriers in the name of Andaman and Nicobar Islands and Lakswadeep . India only needs to strengthen the force levels of the newly established command center in Andamans.
 
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So India has to swallow its pride and let the Russians dictate the delivery date. All these talks from Indians about heavy penalty turned out to be nothing but hot air, as predicted by many members here.

Here's another prediction - it will be delayed more than a year. Another one - India will pay more to fix up the ship.
 
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