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The second air attack came from the sea and it was intercepted at long ranges, and they bugged out.
Fuel tanks.
It's far likelier for the Bison to have taken off with 2 fuel tanks and 2 Archers than 4 Archers.
Addendum: Never mind. The pic posted with the R-77, R-73 and centerline is actually just as likely.
You really need something to take your mind off Joe. Not looking very bright these days.
But your wardi is off
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I have addressed you with respect, kindly do not use words that don't fit the discussion we're having. In any case, check the video from 1:20 onward. What do you think it is, that they are putting in the truck? The entire formation from IAF was already in air. It was a LFE. As IAF reps themselves have clarified in their presser. The said Mig 21 Bison was not operating on its own, in the theater. It was backed by Su-30s flying top cover, Mirage 2000s in North and 29s flying sweep. In such a CAP, you need time on station - not just to be weaponized to hilt. And I do not need to tell you that Mig-21 otherwise has pretty short legs.
Please remember, we are not talking about the first strike force here. In any case, have seen the wreckage, gone through most of what happened up there. Have fun proving IAF dropped even a fly. =) Cheers and have a good night.Second, it has been clarified elsewhere who was flying what mission. Not all planes are in the air at once; if they had been, no Pakistani plane could have approached, dropped ordnance and managed to get back. Work this out on your own.
Please remember, we are not talking about the first strike force here. In any case, have seen the wreckage, gone through most of what happened up there. Have fun proving IAF dropped even a fly. =) Cheers and have a good night.
You are forgetting that the plane was carrying 2 fuel tanks as well. They have been salvaged from the wreck as well.
I have addressed you with respect, kindly do not use words that don't fit the discussion we're having. In any case, check the video from 1:20 onward. What do you think it is, that they are putting in the truck? The entire formation from IAF was already in air. It was a LFE. As IAF reps themselves have clarified in their presser. The said Mig 21 Bison was not operating on its own, in the theater. It was backed by Su-30s flying top cover, Mirage 2000s in North and 29s flying sweep. In such a CAP, you need time on station - not just to be weaponized to hilt. And I do not need to tell you that Mig-21 otherwise has pretty short legs.
Can you cite the bold? I am not going with the Indian media inferences and attributed stories being bandied upon.
Because, as far as I am aware, your indication that the downed Mig-21 Bison was on a CAP, is incorrect. It was on ORP-1. The only CAP was being flown by Su-30 MKI further South of the concerned AFB.
In any case, a standard ADA loadout, with a center pylon seems to be 2 adders and 2 archers. Will you agree to this load out then? Or will switch the story to a different iteration? =)
As above. One does not need EFT on multiple pylons for intercept.
For the simple reasons of ROE. India did not declare a war on Pakistan. Shooting down a PAF fighter in Pakistani airspace would have done just that - painted India as an aggressor.
That is the rationale. Same as why PAF struck targets across LC and not IB, which GoP, for all practical reasons could have justified on the logic it put forth - of responding to Indian aggression.
Since not at liberty to post pictures, I'll agree that it did only have the center fuel tank. In any case, the story from IAF is that one Archer was launched. While they have recovered two archers from wreckage. So what happened to the third one? Went missing? That does not make sense. A standard 2x2 ADA payload of archers and adders does make sense. And in that case, again, 2 WVRAAMs are still there.It is with this post, that I asked you to cite, because I really wanted you to realize that the information you have started off your postings on, were not matched with what was the evidence you have yourself posted i.e. the 01 x External Fuel Tank being loaded on a truck as opposed to claims of 02 you have made by your post and the very fact that you claimed that the entire formation from IAF was already airborne, whereas you can double back to my response and the same seems to be corroborated by the pressor of the word 'scrambled' and not 'vectored in to intercept'
Since not at liberty to post pictures, I'll agree that it did only have the center fuel tank. In any case, the story from IAF is that one Archer was launched. While they have recovered two archers from wreckage. So what happened to the third one? Went missing? That does not make sense. A standard 2x2 ADA payload of archers and adders does make sense. And in that case, again, 2 WVRAAMs are still there.
Also, ROEs do not keep any air force from locking enemy aircraft and trying to deter them.
Anybody remember sohail aman was asked about su 30 mki...what was his reaction
As per your own media, IAF only launched one archer. Keep on making up different scenarios, see what fits. =)Who knows, maybe 02 x R-73s were indeed launched, the 'double tap'? Without further data, mere conjectures abound, and that shall keep us going round in circles.
I understand the precarious position of not being able to share the pictures. For me, it is slightly more complex, hence, some of the hardcore fanboys here, are not engaged beyond a certain point.
Chill, we can always come back to this point once things settle down & data is more forthcoming and have a discussion at a later date.
As per your own media, IAF only launched one archer. Keep on making up different scenarios, see what fits. =)
Since not at liberty to post pictures, I'll agree that it did only have the center fuel tank. In any case, the story from IAF is that one Archer was launched. While they have recovered two archers from wreckage. So what happened to the third one? Went missing? That does not make sense. A standard 2x2 ADA payload of archers and adders does make sense. And in that case, again, 2 WVRAAMs are still there.
Also, ROEs do not keep any air force from locking enemy aircraft and trying to deter them.
Bharat sarkar is waqat madari bani hoi hai.Bharat Sarkar bhi man gaya hai, bak bak ka muqabla mein inlog aage hain.
You can kill all of them,it would solve your problems.You do realise that decapitation is a two-way street, and that Pakistani generals are integral to the Pakistani state in a way that Indian generals are not. If all your corps commanders are killed, your entire state will collapse like a house of cards; if all our corps commanders are killed, we wouldn't pause even a moment.