Air War Is Coming:---

[UKBengali]

Are trying to compare planes or pilot skill?
No realistic way on earth JF-17 is a better fighter jet than Su-30MKI! Pilots? thats possible, but its also a different topic.

I think tactics and pilot skill also played a part.

JF-17 will have AESA radar and the ramjet powered PL-15.
Rafale will not have a great advantage over it.

 

[Trango Towers]

IT is coming, it is here.
Modi won't let go power that easily; it is a lesson of history
wars started to stay in power.

Maybe take out modi

 

[SABRE]

I think tactics and pilot skill also played a part.

JF-17 will have AESA radar and the ramjet powered PL-15.
Rafale will not have a great advantage over it.

Block III is designed keeping Rafale in mind. PL-15 is likely to be integrated on JF-17, but primarily to bring down Indian AEW&CS. In 2004, India entered into an agreement with Russia on KS-172, which was deemed as an AEW&CS killer. Don't know what has come of it. But they are now likely to look into diversifying the BVRAAM inventory. There seems to be a possibility of new BVRAAM arms race in South Asia.

 

[MastanKhan]

Block III is designed keeping Rafale in mind. PL-15 is likely to be integrated on JF-17, but primarily to bring down Indian AEW&CS. In 2004, India entered into an agreement with Russia on KS-172, which was deemed as an AEW&CS killer. Don't know what has come of it. But they are now likely to look into diversifying the BVRAAM inventory. There seems to be a possibility of new BVRAAM arms race in South Asia.

Hi,

Your's is a gem of a post---. Race for a new BVR in asia---.

It would have been a historical moment if the Paf had smashed the enemy's first 2 flights with maximum damage with the current BVR's in the inventory---it would have been like a sledge hammer effect if a multitude---10-15--- of enemy air craft were shot down---instead of the 2---.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Hi,

Your's is a gem of a post---. Race for a new BVR in asia---.

It would have been a historical moment if the Paf had smashed the enemy's first 2 flights with maximum damage with the current BVR's in the inventory---it would have been like a sledge hammer effect if a multitude---10-15--- of enemy air craft were shot down---instead of the 2---.

Instead of the 1 - there is still neither hide nor hair of the second Indian jet, and all the reports from the Indian side relate to the pieces of the F16 specific missile.....just saying.

 

[batmannow]

I think tactics and pilot skill also played a part.

JF-17 will have AESA radar and the ramjet powered PL-15.
Rafale will not have a great advantage over it.

What if , JFT been already been equipped with AESA and PL15s in some small numbers

Instead of the 1 - there is still neither hide nor hair of the second Indian jet, and all the reports from the Indian side relate to the pieces of the F16 specific missile.....just saying.

Its just a funny claim, by indian media that a F16 Been shot down ,if it was the case then up untill now at least thy would hve found its black box or any other part which can clearly shows its was F16?
Rather , preseanting a pice of a AMRAM ?
Which could be fired from any other fighter jet or evn been just put there for a show ???
Jst to make poor junta happy that at least india has done something ???

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@MastanKhan raises some valid points. Sometimes I feel he is fishing for intel. But he needs to understand, military sop's do not change overnight, and armed forces work under very tight rules and regulations.

you sir,
are a smart man.
that's exactly the intent
although Knowing MK has a single minded view towards PAF strategies . he doesnt mean anything ill.

 

[Khafee]

JF-17 will have AESA radar and the ramjet powered PL-15.

InShaAllah, and then LM will be selling "V"upgrades via soft loans

 

[Joe Shearer]

What if , JFT been already been equipped with AESA and PL15s in some small numbers


Its just a funny claim, by indian media that a F16 Been shot down ,if it was the case then up untill now at least thy would hve found its black box or any other part which can clearly shows its was F16?

You ARE aware that this was during a phase when all PAF aircraft were flying back into Pakistan, and even a pursuing aircraft when shot down fell into Azad Kashmir territory.

Rather , preseanting a pice of a AMRAM ?
Which could be fired from any other fighter jet or evn been just put there for a show ???

One, it could not be fired from any other aircraft in the PAF inventory; two, that was precisely the point, to remind everyone that F16s were involved.

It is easy to forget that the use of F16s in such a situation creates a difficulty for the US. Showing that these aircraft were involved was a very purposeful action, beyond the scope of showing that a plane was down.

Jst to make poor junta happy that at least india has done something ???

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Only the PAF can say, and we already know that there are things that they will and will not say.

 

[batmannow]

you sir,
are a smart man.
that's exactly the intent
although Knowing MK has a single minded view towards PAF strategies . he doesnt mean anything ill.

Yes and MKs ideas are , for more stronger punch from PAF , and he is hugly right and there is lack of efforts by PAF and there single minded planners who r just sticking to their decade old ideas like to hve a single engine fighter jets ?

You ARE aware that this was during a phase when all PAF aircraft were flying back into Pakistan, and even a pursuing aircraft when shot down fell into Azad Kashmir territory.



One, it could not be fired from any other aircraft in the PAF inventory; two, that was precisely the point, to remind everyone that F16s were involved.

It is easy to forget that the use of F16s in such a situation creates a difficulty for the US. Showing that these aircraft were involved was a very purposeful action, beyond the scope of showing that a plane was down.



Perhaps. Perhaps not. Only the PAF can say, and we already know that there are things that they will and will not say.

Those days were gone when americans can say just a single word about our F16s , cause they knew even when they offered last time PAF denied it.?
And even for futher over hauling or up grades we have learnt a lot , from our brotherly countries like turkey ?
And if a JFT ,can use SD10 and PL15s then why not AMRAAM 120s

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Yes and MKs ideas are , for more stronger punch from PAF , and he is hugly right and there is lack of efforts by PAF and there single minded planners who r just sticking to their decade old ideas like to hve a single engine fighter jets ?

yea that's one of them
and I am one of those who sides with MK on acquiring twin engine air superiority jets for a change. this will further enhance the capabilities of our air force.
lets not test our pilots to their nth limits. they already delivered in the face of an adversary that is better budgeted , better equipped and higher number Indian airforce.
IAF will learn and adapt and plan according to our weaknesses .

 

[batmannow]

yea that's one of them
and I am one of those who sides with MK on acquiring twin engine air superiority jets for a change. this will further enhance the capabilities of our air force.
lets not test our pilots to their nth limits. they already delivered in the face of an adversary that is better budgeted , better equipped and higher number Indian airforce.
IAF will learn and adapt and plan according to our weaknesses .

And I stand by you and MK , thts really ridiculous that our authorities are so single headed thts just bad luck or may now they are under financial preasure

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes and MKs ideas are , for more stronger punch from PAF , and he is hugly right and there is lack of efforts by PAF and there single minded planners who r just sticking to their decade old ideas like to hve a single engine fighter jets ?

[/quote]Those days were gone when americans can say just a single word about our F16s , cause they knew even when they offered last time PAF denied it.?[/quote]

It's not about you, as you so signally fail to understand. It's about them. It is difficult for them to explain what their firm binding and their assurances meant, and what price the firm bindings and assurances that they seek from us will deter us in turn.

And even for futher over hauling or up grades we have learnt a lot , from our brotherly countries like turkey ?

There is still a limit to how much can be donated from a brotherly country for free. It's about the money, honey.

And if a JFT ,can use SD10 and PL15s then why not AMRAAM 120s

I don't like telling senior members that they are being silly. Please ask someone else why not.

 

[ghazi768]

Instead of the 1 - there is still neither hide nor hair of the second Indian jet, and all the reports from the Indian side relate to the pieces of the F16 specific missile.....just saying.

dil ke khush rakhne ko Ghalib ye khayal acha he

 

[SABRE]

And if a JFT ,can use SD10 and PL15s then why not AMRAAM 120s

The answer is within your question.