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we can refule f-16 also?

NO!

F-16 need a special Refueling Aircraft (something like KC-135), only this aircraft can perform refueling operation on F-16.

bcoz F-16 don't have refuelling pod at front, its on middle of plane.

So depends, US will give it to Pakistan or not.
 
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getting the kc-135 isn,t a problem. i mean it isn,t going to introduce a new weapon system in the region and it dosen,t have offensive means.usaf is also going to replace it. correct me if im wrong.

Air Force seeks new tanker


by Staff Sgt. C. Todd Lopez
Air Force Print News

4/9/2006 - WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- The Air Force wants a new refueler aircraft, something commercially available now, which can be modified to replace the existing KC-135 Stratotanker fleet.

That testimony came from Air Force leaders associated with the tanker replacement program, Feb. 28 in front of the House Armed Services Committee subcommittee on projection forces.

When prompted by congressional members, Lt. Gen. Donald Hoffman, the military deputy for Air Force acquisition, provided a personal opinion that his first choice would be to replace the service's fleet of aging KC-135s with a new airplane.

"It should be a new aircraft, a commercial derivative, and I think we ought to buy one kind," he said. "The first 100 (should) all look the same."

The general said he has no opinion on who should manufacture the plane, only that the new aircraft be the same as each other in both size and design.

General Hoffman told congressional members his second choice for recapitalizing the tanker fleet would be to modernize the current KC-135 fleet, which involves converting existing KC-135E models to KC-135R models.

But one problem with modernizing KC-135E aircraft is that even with the work that goes into converting them to KC-135Rs, there are still structural problems not addressed and some capabilities lacking.

Various estimates of the lifespan of the KC-135 project the retire date out as late as 2040, but as the aircraft get older, the Air Force discovers more things wrong with the aircraft. That decreases the projected lifespan of the "Eisenhower-era" tankers, many of which were built in the late 1950s to early 1960s.

"These airplanes continue to get older, and as they get older we continue to find things on them, (so) their time of usefulness will move closer to us," said Lt. Gen. Christopher Kelly, Air Mobility Command vice commander. "These particular airplanes, although they provide us with a good deal of service, are not modern airplanes and they do not give us the capability we would want to have in modern airplanes."

As the aircraft has no defensive capabilities, its limitations make it difficult to use in the desert, General Kelly said. Additionally, the Air Force would like to use its tanker fleet for work other than refueling, such as moving passengers and cargo. The Air Force would also like to offer both boom and drogue refueling capability with its primary tanker fleet, something the KC-135 can not now do.

"We would like to address those issues in a new acquisition if we were allowed to do that," General Kelly said. "From an operational point of view, the increased capability you'd get from a modern airplane with floors, doors, defensive systems, the ability to refuel itself and the ability to provide a drogue refueling and a boom refueling to receivers, would be a better investment than just re-engining the E models."
 
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Do we know if PAF has put in a request for the KC-135????
 
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Its really nice to know that PAF is going to have such capability. But if we can't use our F-16s than its not enough
 
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Guys any one have news on the kc-135 are we still trying to get it ??
 
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Pakistan Air Force is interested in getting IL-78 Air Tankers from Ukraine. This was stated by the ACM in his recent interview in the AIR FORCES Monthly Magazine. The aircraft that are likely to be converted for air-air refueling are the Mirages (courtesy of a company in South Africa) and JF-17 (courtesy of a company in UK). No other aircraft in PAF inventory is marked for air-air refueling other than the ones mentioned above.
 
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Epool thx for your comment but this is old news boss i have seen and heard the ACM interview as well and he stated that the issue left was of the f-16's they can only be refueled by kc-135's and i think he said he had put in reguest or was going to look in to it thats wat iam asking about !!
 
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Epool thx for your comment but this is old news boss i have seen and heard the ACM interview as well and he stated that the issue left was of the f-16's they can only be refueled by kc-135's and i think he said he had put in reguest or was going to look in to it thats wat iam asking about !!

Sorry! I just ran into this thread so the intent was to inform. However, so far PAF has not put in any request for a KC-135 Tanker and I highly doubt that the Americans at this stage would be willing to give us any even if we ask through an FMS or non-FMS channels.
 
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Why do u say so!! did u not hear ACM's interview or watch it why wouldnt they give it its nothing to speical plus they are retireing them for new tankers read up on it!!
 
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ASIA PACIFIC

Date Posted: 21-Nov-2008

Jane's Defence Weekly

Pakistan probes airborne refuelling system in ground test

Farhan Bokhari JDW Correspondent - Islamabad

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has successfully completed the ground testing of an airborne refuelling system and expects to receive the first of four airborne refuelling aircraft from Ukraine by mid-2009, the chief of the PAF has told Jane's .

News of the PAF's progress towards acquiring its first-ever airborne refuelling capability will be watched with interest by India: Pakistan's main rival in South Asia. Analysts have said that until recently the Indian Air Force considered itself ahead of Pakistan, in terms of both quantity and quality.

However, they added that Islamabad's decision to acquire such capabilities and plans to purchase new fighters from China such as the JF-17 and the J-10 - along with orders for new F-16s from the United States and mid-life upgrades of older F-16s - represent a determined effort to at least narrow if not close the gap with India.

"We are hoping that by the middle of 2009, our first airplane, modified, tested, will be available in the country. The other three will follow within the next six to nine months," Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mahmood Ahmed told Jane's on 17 November. ACM Ahmed said the platform will be based on the Il-78 transport aircraft and "are being modified from cargo planes to air tankers" under the supervision of PAF officials in Ukraine.

Once the first Il-78 arrives in Pakistan, ACM Ahmed said, in-flight refuelling trials will be carried out on two older Mirage aircraft that have been modified for the purpose and have already been tested on the ground.

Acquisition of an airborne refuelling system would significantly enhance the endurance of the PAF's fighters. The JF-17, which was jointly developed with China, "is already believed to include an airborne refuelling capability", according to a Western defence analyst. A pair of J-10 fighters, displayed at Airshow China in Zhuhai in early November, both had aerial refuelling probes.

ACM Ahmed said the four Il-78 air tankers represent a pilot project that is intended to bring the capability to Pakistan for the first time. "We will need to expand in due course when we have greater fiscal availability," he said, referring to constraints imposed by the global financial crisis.

© 2008 Jane's Information Group
 
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