Air Force senior intelligence officer: Russia is using “dumb bombs” in its Syria airstrikes

[Gabriel92]

France only supplies some minor trivial military technology, but it comes to the major ones, China is by far ahead.

Like this one, the M51 is now becoming a joke of the century, and 2.5 years of failure is still not being able to sort out, and your country Britain doesn't even try to develop your independent nuclear arsenal.

BTW, if you wanna pick another fight for the debate, then go directly to the Chinese section, but to talk trash to us here is simply cowardice.

Some days ago,we successfully launched another m51.

 

[Madali]

Oh, so now it's all about Dumb Bombs. Are these bombs going to apply for university?

First, it was all about Barrel Bombs, now it's Dumb Bombs, maybe if Iran gets involved more, they'll call Iran's bomb something like "low IQ bombs".

Bombs are bombs. Saudi Arabia's non-barrel bombs still kill over a hundred people at a wedding. NATO'S MENSA bombs still wrecked iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

European Companies Are Supplying China With Billions In Weapons And Military Technology

As China boosts its military spending, rattling neighbours over territorial disputes at sea, an AFP investigation shows that European countries have approved billions in transfers of weapons and military-ready technology to the Asian giant.

China's air force relies on French-designed helicopters, while submarines and frigates involved in Beijing's physical assertion of its claim to vast swathes of the South China Sea are powered by German and French engines -- part of a separate trade in "dual use" technology to Beijing's armed forces.

Chinese President Xi Jinping announced stepped-up production of the Airbus EC175 helicopter in China during his visit to France this month -- a deal analysts said could result in technology transfers to the military.

"European exports are very important for the Chinese military," said Andrei Chang, editor of the Hong Kong-based Kanwa Asian Defense Review.

"Without European technology, the Chinese navy would not be able to move."

The European Union imposed an arms embargo on China after its army killed many demonstrators in the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. But member states are free to interpret the embargo loosely, analysts say.

The exports have generated friction with the United States -- which does not export arms to Beijing -- along with criticism from activists pointing to human rights violations and analysts citing regional security concerns.

An EU spokesman said in a statement that "the final decision to authorize or deny the (arms) export is the responsibility of EU member states".

Vessels of war

AFP Photo/Guang Niu

China -- the world's second largest military spender -- last month announced the latest of many double-digit rises in its official defence budget.

EU arms makers received licenses to export equipment worth three billion euros ($4.1 billion) to China in the decade to 2012, according to annual EU reports on the trade.

The most recent said arms exports worth 173 million euros were approved in 2012, with France issuing more than 80 percent of them by value. A French parliamentary report said the country delivered China arms worth 104 million euros.

Most of the sum was accounted for by the production of Airbus helicopters in China for use by China's military, according to analysts from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), which monitors arms transfers.

Other EU licences included almost three million euros' worth of "smooth-bore weapons" and accessories, approved for export by Britain, and nearly 18 million euros' worth of "vessels of war" or their accessories and components, authorized by the Netherlands.

Most of Beijing's military imports last year came from Russia while France, Britain and Germany supplied 18 percent, SIPRI estimates.

'Very lax, very loose'
China is on track to become a major military power.

While it calls its expanding capabilities peaceful and aimed at self-defence, relations with its neighbours have soured in recent years, especially rival Japan, with experts warning of potentially dangerous escalations if either side miscalculates.

Tensions spiked last year when a Jiangwei-class Chinese frigate was among the vessels Tokyo accused of locking fire-control radar on a destroyer and a helicopter near disputed islands seen as a potential flashpoint, an allegation Beijing denied.

Military experts believe the ship relies on diesel engines produced by German firm MTU.

Another accused ship, a Jiangkai-class vessel, uses engines made by SEMT Pielstick, a French diesel engine manufacturer owned by German firm MAN Diesel and Turbo, according to analysts and specifications posted on Chinese military websites.

MAN told AFP that its Chinese licensees have supplied about 250 engines to China's navy.

MTU said it "acts strictly according to the German export laws", without elaborating.

The engines are exported as "dual use" -- having civilian and potential military applications -- so are exempt from the EU arms embargo.

Beijing's military has acquired an array of such items, including software used to design fighter jets, from Europe over the past decade.

German-designed engines chosen for their quietness power virtually all non-nuclear Chinese submarines and several classes of Chinese frigates deployed in the South China Sea, where Beijing has a host of territorial disputes, analysts say.

Citing the co-production deal signed in France, Chang said: "China uses the name of civil purchase to purchase French helicopter engines, and they shift those engines into military helicopters."

"If (China) knows how to design the middle-sized EC175, they will know how to design a middle-sized military transport helicopter."

China's recent military helicopters "appear to just be upgrades" of Airbus designs, said Roger Cliff, military analyst at the US-based Atlantic Council.

Airbus directed inquiries to its helicopter division, which did not respond.

Bernadette Andreosso, director of European studies at Ireland's University of Limerick, described Europe's dual-use export controls as "very lax, very loose".

European countries face a dilemma, analysts said.

"China represents much more of a threat today to stability in the Pacific and elsewhere," said Andreosso. "We might have to sacrifice some of our competitiveness to have greater security."

Trading values for arms?
Arms exports have created tension between the EU and US, analysts say, and according to SIPRI the US has not exported any arms to China in any of the recent years for which it has data.

China's defence ministry declined to comment.

Campaigners also worry about human rights in China, which jails dissidents and deploys troops in sensitive areas including Tibet.

"The EU is supposed to be based on the promotion of human rights and democracy, but all too often these values are overridden in the name of short-term profits for arms companies," said Andrew Smith, of the UK-based Campaign Against Arms Trade.

Emil Kirchner, an EU policy expert at Britain's University of Essex, said East Asian tensions meant the exports could eventually damage EU interests.

"Already, cynics claim that if the People’s Liberation Army went to war tomorrow, it would employ an arsenal filled with equipment from Germany, France and Britain," he said.

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European Companies Are Supplying China With Billions In Weapons And Military Technology - Business Insider

Another wanking article.

BTW, which crucial Chinese military technology has any European input?

@Horus @waz, please take care of this butthurt troll known as @mike2000 is back who is always obsessed with China even in those totally irrelevant topics.

Some days ago,we successfully launched another m51.

You need four more tests to redeem the previous failure, this is the quality standard for USA/China/Russia during the SLBM test.

We had to repeat the whole test with just the last failed test even with many previous consecutive successful tests.

 

[Gabriel92]

Another wanking article.

BTW, what crucial Chinese military technology has any European input?

@Horus @waz, please take care of this butthurt troll known as @mike2000 is back who is always obsessed with China even in those totally irrelevant topics.



You need four more tests to redeem the previous failure, this is the quality standard for USA/China/Russia during the SLBM test.

We had to repeat the whole test with just the last failed test even with many previous consecutive tests.

Of course the missile will be continued to be tested,and fails allow us to correct the problems,thats what tests are for.
By the way,a new version of this missile will be soon enter in service,with more range,new stealth warheads,and a better capacity of penetration..... now lets go back to the thread..

 

[Hyperion]

Dumb bombs for dumb people. Excellent choice, I'd say. Why spend extra cash when you know that 99.99% of people you're bombing, want to live in ISIS caliphate or want to be bitches of CIA and GID?















Good one my friend. Good one. I bet that only combatants the French could face today are half naked civilians of some African nation.

I think ISIS might provide more resistance than France did against the Nazis

 

[mourning sage]

What's the point of guided munitions if you're still going to end up killing civilians like the hospital in Afghanistan? Russians have taken the cheaper route while still achieving results. Just like the Americans, they don't care much about the locals

 

[Donatello]

USA lecturing others about civilian casualties.....LMAO.

 

[Gabriel92]

Good one my friend. Good one. I bet that only combatants the French could face today are half naked civilians of some African nation.

If you consider(for exemple),Talibans,Iraqi forces and the terrorists of the sahel (who are very well eqquiped,i wont talk about all these rockets,manpads,mines,anti aircraft guns etc.... that we found that they stole from Khaddafis army...) as half naked civilians,you are damn wrong.
See your army and soldiers,you are not in position to criticise others....

 

[Hyperion]

"Semi failed"? Next time do help us with detailed socio economic modeling that lead you to fart those two words together from your mouth.

This is not the BBC/CNN or for that matter State Department where fairy tales are penned every weekend.

semi failed states like Yemen, Somalia and of course Pakistan.

 

[بلندر]

ahahahahahah............True bro, i will like to try that cuisine(accompanied by a beautiful Chinese lady), maybe it might change my view of the world as well.



Doesn't matter. There is almost no field in this world one can think of where Iran even comes close to Great Britain. We are not in the same league to be honest.

Your leagues is with the likes of Turkey, Egypt, KSA etc. So handle them first before even dreaming about Great Britain.
i do admit that Iran is quite advanced for a Muslim/middle eastern country though.

Where is Great Britain !?
you are stalling in past ...

well , I'm sure Turkey can handle you in direct war ....

 

[mike2000 is back]

Where is Great Britain !?
you are stalling in past ...

well , I'm sure Turkey can handle you in direct war ....

LOOL If you say so.

 

[Sanchez]

The smart bombs are frequently used by dumber heads, as we saw. Well done, Russia!