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... Just to be morally fair.
Just like Pakistan....except the Israelis do it better and they do it for their people. Pakistan is a poor country with rich people....hence the average person does not have that much compared to an average person living in Israel.When it comes to Israel, what could be right or wrong? They prove you wrong when its in their interest, they even kill you when it comes to their intersts. They are different kind of creatures, not normal humans.
No need to show a goodwill gesture to them.
Yeah I know we are very bad, but still Israel has a full potential to be a lethal friend.Just like Pakistan....except the Israelis do it better and they do it for their people. Pakistan is a poor country with rich people....hence the average person does not have that much compared to an average person living in Israel.
@MastanKhan dear friend, old man,
A very noble and galant action it would be!
I don't have to tell you that at this junction Pak State can use some diplomatic points... especially in the US media with such a gesture.
When will your people see longer than their nose is?
Time for some coupe de grace... brilliant idea from your good self this!
I fear it is going to fall on deaf ears as usual.
Israel is not your natural enemy...why some in your good country are bent upon making it one?
When Gen Zia could use Israeli equipment in AF adventure and mullahs in Iran deal with them behind the scenes... why this hatred?
Time for thinking on grand geopolitical scale...in this world of geo-political/geo-economic flux.... Pak can and must carve out a niché for itself... how else would you ever be a Great Regional Power of Global Consequence?
I fear your elite will prove to be yet again what they are...
You keep trying, my friend!
Regards,
Mangus
Israel is our enemy our desire of friendship not change the truth that israel is our enemy and will be
Have u seen Russian war museum? It's full of iron cross badges and German uniforms they didn't gave them back to families of fallen soldiers.NO !
Israel is already an enemy and Israel is helping India and is helping terrorists in Afghanistan. We can no longer close our eyes to Israeli threat and it has been high time we need to realize this and take the proxy war Israel launched to Israeli door step.
Israeli PM did not say Israel is an enemy of Pakistan. He was goaded into saying bad things about Pakistan by Indian interviewers which is very typical of them. But he did not say anything against us.
The fact is Arabs are defeated, miltarily and politically. Israel is stronger than ever. Such is the depravity of Muslim world that its fighting Saudi and Iran incited sectarian war. It is in no position to put up a joint and united front. So Pakistanis who dream of a wider Arab/Muslim world united common cause, should set aside such dreams for now. Muslim world is going to go through worse than what currently its state is before things get better.
Great Post. It has helped change my mind. I had taken a humanist stance on this issue. While it still carries weight, I think that legalistic approach is better. Israel has done us no favors and is busy being a bully. Majority of Israeli Jews support their army in all that is does. Making a point based on humanism may be morally correct, but it is legally absurd in absence of a request by Israelis when they do not even acknowledge existence of their shot down pilot.View attachment 449086 What the US Army allows and considers legal as war trophies including personal uniforms.
Individuals are not allowed to bring trophies back, but it can be brought back as a property of the military. Per all US Army guidelines, these are also permissible under the Geneva convention.
A flight coverall is a LEGAL war trophy per US military regulations and has no moral or ethical ambiguity in terms of both the geneva convention and US state law. Uniforms of Arab national personnel exist both in Israeli museums and unIforms of combatants exist in all US military museums.Hence, if such an objection is made to the Pakistani military indulging in such activities then the same objection should be made under both Moral and Ethical minimal ideals to the country of residence or dual nationality.
Hence I respectfully disagree with the premise and moral standing of this post.
But I will state that as a stunt it was needless and unwarranted, especially as it is clear that it was meant as a message to the steamy makeout between Israel and India happening currently.
I leave the above for others to decide their opinions.
Interesting....all about religion...justifies in killing each other and keeping up the game of stupidity.My friend you have made very good points that Palestine is Arab problem and not Pakistan's problem. Yes I would agree that Palestine is Arab issue but Israel is not a country. Israel is a Jewish terrorist regime just llike ISIS and TTP that has been working against Pakistan for a long time. Just because America would recognized Israel does and provides Israel weapons does not means that we Pakistanis will also consider Israel to be not our enemies. Look at history ISIS and Israel both came from Europe and were funded by same country USA. The development of ISIS and Israel happened in the same manner. Israeli Jew and ISIS flocked to middle east from Europe in the same way and same purpose. Why hate ISIS then and why not hate Israel? Now USA is using the same model of Israel's injection in middle east on ISIS then only difference is that Muslims were not able to defeat Israel back then but presently Muslims are able to defeat ISIS. So if you think that time and New born people that don't know about history will change any thing what has been done in Middle east than you are wrong because Pakistan remembers and Israel never said it is Pakistan's enemy but Israel has always acted as Pakistan's enemy.
If it was a matter of Ummahs honor then PAF would have given it Arab states to keep it in their museum. But if you still think that keeping a war trophy which is a reminder to an adversary that refuses to accept shooting down of it jets , is an honor then so be it.However if to keep a dead pilot’s shirt makes some people ‘Proud’ and retuning it compromises “Honour” of the Muslim Ummah! Keep it till kingdom come.
Returning the dead pilots' shirt does not indicate a desire for friendship. It simply indicates a generosity of spirit, nobility and compassion.
There is a difference here.There was a time when Muslims were famous for these simple human Virtues. The great warrior Sultan Salahuddin Ayubi sent his own physician to treat Richard the Lion heart when he was sick. Salahuddin is admired for his chivalry all over Europe to this day. Abu bin Adham refused to give up his son’s killer because he had given him sanctuary in his tent.
Of course times have since changed attitude of the followers of the religion of peace.