Aikido, Japanese martial art, its beauty and form: a discourse

[gambit]

Perhaps you lack of research, or knowledge of martial art, 5 years practice Vovinam right here. We Asian know martial art better than you guys.

If so, then you really do not know what you are talking about. I am Viet. Be careful the next time you assume you know who you are talking to.

 

[ComradeNam]

If so, then you really do not know what you are talking about. I am Viet. Be careful the next time you assume you know who you are talking to.

and you're lack of knowledge as well, bring your TKD over Vovinam school, see how many time you hit the floors. I see many TKD who has years training switch to Vovinam and other martial art. BTW did you watch the videos I posted?

 

[ComradeNam]

Let me analyze the weakness of TKD style. First, it does not fully utilize the punch/hands.TKD have face head expose most of time. TKD most realize on kicks, the kicks are less accurate than hands, also kicks use much more enegry than punch. For people who train Jiu Jit Su use opponent's enegry while saving theirs, TKD will be easy to ground. The video clips above shows how hard for a black belt TKD to land a kicks on opponent when opponent has head cover most of time, you will be lucky to land an accurate kick while the opponent moving and have head cover. Some of the fight, those TKD guys use too much enegry that kicks became ineffective and thus they have to rely on punch which is not a strong of TKD. Not to mention TKD did not have weapons training as formal curriculum. On street fight use your kicks will be easy target for those gangster with weapons to cut off your legs.

 

[Armstrong]

Our grappling is based on the Viking martial art Glima - our's is a more aggressive version called Løse-tak:

It's much, much faster and more aggressive than these guys make it seem

We're using Krav Maga and Systema too. Many military combatives are base on these two systems. Our exact training regiment is classified though.


@Nihonjin1051 I'll see you in a few hours. It's almost 5, I'm going out for my morning run, then hitting the shower and then off to work. I'll be back around 2 pm (10 Eastern Standard - I'm on GMT+2/UTC+01:00) or so. No one I like to talk to here lives in Europe.

So the bottom line is that neither I nor @Nihonjin1051 should ever make the mistake of calling you Fat in your presence otherwise we'd be done for !

At least Ni knows a couple of martial arts styles !

All I know is a little bit of boxing that I took up in college and not a thing more !

 

[gambit]

All I know is a little bit of boxing that I took up in college and not a thing more !

Boxing offers the best and quickest training on how to use one's arms for self defense more than any martial arts. DO NOT confuse boxing as a sport with boxing as a self defense method.

In boxing as a sport, the boxer learns how to use his arms to protect vital bodily areas, as in absorbing hits over time, waiting for an opening.

But in boxing as a self defense martial art, the fighter, no longer a boxer, must change his mentality and put defensive methods to the back burner, so to speak. He must go on the offensive immediately, forcing openings instead of waiting for his opponent to make a mistake.

If you want to widen your horizon, spar boxing twice a week, and take Shotokan twice a week. Keep it up for at least two yrs. If your mind is a fighter instead of a sportsman, you could be well near unbeatable in street situations.

 

[Armstrong]

Boxing offers the best and quickest training on how to use one's arms for self defense more than any martial arts. DO NOT confuse boxing as a sport with boxing as a self defense method.

In boxing as a sport, the boxer learns how to use his arms to protect vital bodily areas, as in absorbing hits over time, waiting for an opening.

But in boxing as a self defense martial art, the fighter, no longer a boxer, must change his mentality and put defensive methods to the back burner, so to speak. He must go on the offensive immediately, forcing openings instead of waiting for his opponent to make a mistake.

If you want to widen your horizon, spar boxing twice a week, and take Shotokan twice a week. Keep it up for at least two yrs. If your mind is a fighter instead of a sportsman, you could be well near unbeatable in street situations.

I saw Rocky and got hooked up to it....I never really thought that far !

Plus I am not a very good boxer; my instructor used to say that I am a brawler in the sense that I neither posses the finesse nor the mobility to be called a proper boxer but I can take a lot of beating without going down and if I see an opening - my right hook usually does the trick for me.

Its been 2 years since I wore the gloves so dunno how much of it I remember though !

 

[gambit]

I saw Rocky and got hooked up to it....I never really thought that far !

Plus I am not a very good boxer; my instructor used to say that I am a brawler in the sense that I neither posses the finesse nor the mobility to be called a proper boxer but I can take a lot of beating without going down and if I see an opening - my right hook usually does the trick for me.

Its been 2 years since I wore the gloves so dunno how much of it I remember though !

A brawler is not a boxer, which is an athlete. A brawler is what you want to be. You are not fighting for a trophy. You could possibly literally fighting for your life. I took up boxing after I ranked in TKD and I believe that made me a better fighter than if I had taken any other martial art.

 

[Carlosa]

Hap Ki Do definitely is interesting, buddy. It is actually created from 大東流合気柔術 -- Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu. Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu is a style similar to Aikido and karate so it has the philosophy of Aikido in that the goal is to redirect the opponent's Ki back at them. Use the opponent's own power onto the opponent. So in Hap Ki Do, yea, it has that eclectic style that is seen in Daito Ryu and Aikido. The goal in Hapkido that I like is not necessarily to break the opponent, rather, it is to de-arm the opponent. The practitioner definitely has the capability to kill the opponent (like in Aikido), but that's not the ultimate goal, of course.

Hapkido , to me, is beautiful, and lethal.

Soo Bak Do, for me, was very refreshing because it was siimlar to Shotokan Karate. Actually for Soo Bak Do i did about 2 years of it, and after i tested for my 2nd Dan, i stopped going (demands of work) prevented me.

Btw, here's Soo Bak Do:

Yes, it is. In fact many in the special forces use core aspects of Aikido for the lethal kills, take downs.

Aikido, in it purest form, is defensive. But it can be used to kill eloquently and with rather ease.

Aikido Combat Techniques, used in the Singaporean Army:

Notice the neck grapple technique used in the second video. I can do that ; and I can easily break the opponent's neck that way. Quick, no resistance, and death is imminent.

Yes, I feel Hap Ki Do is very complete, they started from Aikido and Jujutso and added the kicking and punching of Karate do, etc. They also train with a lot of weapons. I love all those locks, grappling and throwing, very complete and very effective for combat / street fighting.

Boxing offers the best and quickest training on how to use one's arms for self defense more than any martial arts. DO NOT confuse boxing as a sport with boxing as a self defense method.

In boxing as a sport, the boxer learns how to use his arms to protect vital bodily areas, as in absorbing hits over time, waiting for an opening.

But in boxing as a self defense martial art, the fighter, no longer a boxer, must change his mentality and put defensive methods to the back burner, so to speak. He must go on the offensive immediately, forcing openings instead of waiting for his opponent to make a mistake.

If you want to widen your horizon, spar boxing twice a week, and take Shotokan twice a week. Keep it up for at least two yrs. If your mind is a fighter instead of a sportsman, you could be well near unbeatable in street situations.

Very true, have to separate and differentiate between martial art styles that are been used for sports and the ones that are used for combat, big difference there. As I see it, TKD has been optimized for sports, the lethal techniques have been removed, which makes sense, if you want to use a martial art as a mainstream sport practiced by millions of people, you better remove the lethal elements or you'll end up with a lot of dead people.

Bruce Lee also did a lot of boxing training and he found it very useful and incorporated those techniques into his style of combat. There is no doubt that boxing has been pretty much perfected by now and is a great complement to Asian martial arts.

 

[ComradeNam]

Yes, I feel Hap Ki Do is very complete, they started from Aikido and Jujutso and added the kicking and punching of Karate do, etc. They also train with a lot of weapons. I love all those locks, grappling and throwing, very complete and very effective for combat / street fighting.



Very true, have to separate and differentiate between martial art styles that are been used for sports and the ones that are used for combat, big difference there. As I see it, TKD has been optimized for sports, the lethal techniques have been removed, which makes sense, if you want to use a martial art as a mainstream sport practiced by millions of people, you better remove the lethal elements or you'll end up with a lot of dead people.

Bruce Lee also did a lot of boxing training and he found it very useful and incorporated those techniques into his style of combat. There is no doubt that boxing has been pretty much perfected by now and is a great complement to Asian martial arts.

What Martial Arts that when comes to the ring or cage that aint sport? The fact is when a martial art master enter to Ring or Cage is limit to a set of rule of that sport that means all lethal moves of a style already not allowed to use. Take Muay Thai for example, you dont see they use elbow, knee, knuckle, on the ring and other style of Jiu Jit Su, Vovinam, Karate, Ninjitsu....etc. of neck break, eye poking, internal organ damage, neck chop...etc. all martial arts are built on the concept to destroy or neutralize the enemy that have been use for thousand of years to do just one thing as that. So saying because of TKD are suck because it is sport and all lethal move have been removed, well so do other style when come to ring. It is more like an excuse many TKD fans often use defend their beloved style.

Watch this video and let me anylyze why the Shaolin monk win. For someone who practice martial art does not hard to see TKD weakness in this clip.

First the TKD guy use mostly high kicks, aim at opponent head hopes to hit the head, this TKD guy are better than others which he utilize his hands and punches. But high TKd kicks are not effective, When do high kicking TKD tend to jump high to aim at opponent head or spin kick at middle lower part of body, indeed jump kicking generate more power, but it expose many weakness, easy for opponent to exploit and not good in long fight, that means if you can't KO opponent with your kicks you are done. Consider how much enegry you use in each kick, and you create yourself unbalance stance and your whole body expose. Toward the end the guy can't kick no more because no more engry for any kick.

The Shaolin Monk, watch closely he does not use Kung fu to beat up the TKD guy, he use Muay Thai techniques instead. He must have learn from his other match where he lost for muay thai powerful lower kick. The monk simply uses lower kicks at TKD leg or sweep the leg, catch the leg and throw punches, or simply close the gap with tKD guy to neutralize all TKD fantasy kicks,all that simple moves which are effective against TKD. Done, easy to destroy a TKD predictable moves.

Dont know how often you martial arts practitioners here do sparring, to me it always best to let the opponent not knowing your next moves or trick the opponent into believe you going to kick but you throw punch at him instead.

 

[Carlosa]

What Martial Arts that when comes to the ring or cage that aint sport? The fact is when a martial art master enter to Ring or Cage is limit to a set of rule of that sport that means all lethal moves of a style already not allowed to use. Take Muay Thai for example, you dont see they use elbow, knee, knuckle, on the ring and other style of Jiu Jit Su, Vovinam, Karate, Ninjitsu....etc. of neck break, eye poking, internal organ damage, neck chop...etc. all martial arts are built on the concept to destroy or neutralize the enemy that have been use for thousand of years to do just one thing as that. So saying because of TKD are suck because it is sport and all lethal move have been removed, well so do other style when come to ring. It is more like an excuse many TKD fans often use defend their beloved style.

Watch this video and let me anylyze why the Shaolin monk win. For someone who practice martial art does not hard to see TKD weakness in this clip.

First the TKD guy use mostly high kicks, aim at opponent head hopes to hit the head, this TKD guy are better than others which he utilize his hands and punches. But high TKd kicks are not effective, When do high kicking TKD tend to jump high to aim at opponent head or spin kick at middle lower part of body, indeed jump kicking generate more power, but it expose many weakness, easy for opponent to exploit and not good in long fight, that means if you can't KO opponent with your kicks you are done. Consider how much enegry you use in each kick, and you create yourself unbalance stance and your whole body expose. Toward the end the guy can't kick no more because no more engry for any kick.

The Shaolin Monk, watch closely he does not use Kung fu to beat up the TKD guy, he use Muay Thai techniques instead. He must have learn from his other match where he lost for muay thai powerful lower kick. The monk simply uses lower kicks at TKD leg or sweep the leg, catch the leg and throw punches, or simply close the gap with tKD guy to neutralize all TKD fantasy kicks,all that simple moves which are effective against TKD. Done, easy to destroy a TKD predictable moves.

Dont know how often you martial arts practitioners here do sparring, to me it always best to let the opponent not knowing your next moves or trick the opponent into believe you going to kick but you throw punch at him instead.

I agree in general with what you are saying; I was not trying to get into a for or against TKD debate, I only made a general observation about TKD being optimized for sports, which is true and that's also why in my opinion, they have so much emphasis on high kicks and jumps since that looks very appealing from a sports perspective. Myself, I never practiced TKD and frankly, I was never interested in it, so its not an issue for me. I only did a few years of Kung Fu in the past and I'm doing Aikido now.

Those videos are probably very interesting, but I can't watch them right now, I'm in China at the moment and youtube is blocked here, but anyway, I understand what you are saying, I've seen those types of videos before and yes, the high kicking will place the TKD guy in a vulnerable situation in most cases. And yes, Muay Thai boxers usually win, I've also noticed that.

I relate to what you are saying about tricking your opponent into thinking that you are going to hit them in one place and then you redirect the hit to another area, that's one of my favorite techniques, very effective, it gets the opponent almost every time, he he.