Aidc ****-1c/d Ching-kuo Fighter

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[Imran Khan]

what is this looks like f-16 with twin engaines is this taiwan air force ?

 

[TOPGUN]

Nice i think its perhaps tawian AF yes!

 

[Kharian_Beast]

lol...why is the name edited? oh yeah, because the plane's name is ****.

 

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Specifications (****-1C/D "Brave Hawk")


General characteristics

* Crew: 1-2
* Length: 14.21 m (46 ft 7 in)
* Wingspan: 9.46 m (31 ft 0 in)
* Height: 4.42 m (14 ft 6 in)
* Wing area: 24.2 m² (260 ft²)
* Empty weight: 6,500 kg (14,300 lb)
* Loaded weight: 9,072 kg (20,000 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 12,000 kg (27,000 lb)
* Powerplant: 2× Honeywell F125-70
o Dry thrust: 27 kN (6,000 lbf) each
o Thrust with afterburner: 42 kN (9,500 lbf) each

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 1.8
* Range: 1,100 km (600 nmi, 680 mi)
* Service ceiling 16,800 m (55,000 ft)
* Rate of climb: m/s (ft/min)


Armament

* Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61A1 cannon
* Missiles:
o 2× Sky Sword I
o 2× Sky Sword II
o Wan Chien cluster bomb


Avionics
* Radar: 1× GD-53 X-band pulse doppler
* Effective scanning range:
o Look down: 39 km (24 mi)
o Look up: 57 km (35 mi)




I agree, it is severely underpowered, due to the domestic limitation at developing the engine, and at the same time American pressure having superior engine which would "upset" the balance of the strait.

Originally, the Aidc ****-1 Ching-kuo Fighter had only single engine (A/B series). It was designed and first flown in 1989, introduction in 1994. The "Brave Hawk"(C/D series) twin engines was unveiled in 2006, and still waiting for introduction yet.
It has improved avionics, 2 more weapon hard points, longer endurance and range, due to conformal fuel tanks installed. But the weight is also increased, and plus the extra engine, it actually cancel out all the positive effect of extra engine upgrade. So it is still severely underpowered.

It is still a very nice fighter, and the experience learned can be a lesson for Pakistan wanting to upgrade their JF-17 to twin engines.

 

[echo 1]

They just came out with the C/D varients of this aircraft. They include upgrades in many areas including glass cockpit. And a duel spine bubbles for what I don't know possibly avonics.

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They just came out with the C/D varients of this aircraft. They include upgrades in many areas including glass cockpit. And a duel spine bubbles for what I don't know possibly avonics.

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Those "dual spine bubble" things are actually conformal fuel tanks - the positions of it and the shape indicated it is conformal fuel tanks.

It is similar to the F-16 CD/Block 60 that has conformal fuel tanks

 

[BATMAN]

Above specifications are certainly not very promising for a twin engine fighter.
Still it looks very potent 4th generation fighter. I wonder what is the story about radar and wepons. Its defined history sounds artificial and in reality it looks like an extension of F-16.
IMO, PAF has major role in raising the fame of F-16.

Any how, Russian engine RD93 used in JF-17 is also very heavy and it's additional weight is compensated by reducing the weight in design of frame, gears and reducing hard points, incorporating DSI etc.
However JF-17 needs to raise its canopy on similar lines.

I personaly believe that twin engine fighter should not be called Thunder because it will incorporate significant design changes in many areas.
It should be named different and PAf should not discontinue the production of single engine JF-17. I hope by the passage of time Chinese engine would become lighter in weight which seems to me kind a the bottel neck.

The subject fighter looks very similar to F-16 and no one in the world has noticed it!

 

[su-47]

Above specifications are certainly not very promising for a twin engine fighter.
Still it looks very potent 4th generation fighter. I wonder what is the story about radar and wepons. Its defined history sounds artificial and in reality it looks like an extension of F-16.
IMO, PAF has major role in raising the fame of F-16.

Any how, Russian engine RD93 used in JF-17 is also very heavy and it's additional weight is compensated by reducing the weight in design of frame, gears and reducing hard points, incorporating DSI etc.
However JF-17 needs to raise its canopy on similar lines.

I personaly believe that twin engine fighter should not be called Thunder because it will incorporate significant design changes in many areas.
It should be named different and PAf should not discontinue the production of single engine JF-17. I hope by the passage of time Chinese engine would become lighter in weight which seems to me kind a the bottel neck.

The subject fighter looks very similar to F-16 and no one in the world has noticed it!

actually its similarity to F-16 is very noticeable, especially in a frontal shot, where the twin engines aren't visible. In the very first pic it looks like an F-16 with the air intake moved to the side.

 

[Munir]

If needed they can always put two rd93 in JF17... But I think it is much more efficient to have one... Certainly less cash.

 

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Those "dual spine bubble" things are actually conformal fuel tanks - the positions of it and the shape indicated it is conformal fuel tanks.

It is similar to the F-16 CD/Block 60 that has conformal fuel tanks

Thanks for that. In that case do you know if they might have upgraded the engines like the newer F-16s

 

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Above specifications are certainly not very promising for a twin engine fighter.
Still it looks very potent 4th generation fighter. I wonder what is the story about radar and wepons. Its defined history sounds artificial and in reality it looks like an extension of F-16.
IMO, PAF has major role in raising the fame of F-16.

Any how, Russian engine RD93 used in JF-17 is also very heavy and it's additional weight is compensated by reducing the weight in design of frame, gears and reducing hard points, incorporating DSI etc.
However JF-17 needs to raise its canopy on similar lines.

I personaly believe that twin engine fighter should not be called Thunder because it will incorporate significant design changes in many areas.
It should be named different and PAf should not discontinue the production of single engine JF-17. I hope by the passage of time Chinese engine would become lighter in weight which seems to me kind a the bottel neck.

The subject fighter looks very similar to F-16 and no one in the world has noticed it!

The reason why it looks so much like F-16 is because at the time, it was the fighter to which Taiwan wants to purchase, but can't due to political reason. The project was assisted with US help, and thus, F-16 was the baseline to which the fighter was designed from. From the look of it, the airframe is significantly different to F-16 when compare to the similar project by Japanese which made the Mitsubishi F-2 (an enlarged F-16 with AESA radar).



Mitsubishi F-2


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2