Ahmedi community linked literature seized, printing press sealed

[Well.wisher]

We do not accept their beliefs as Islam but we do accept their right to practice their religion and live in Pakistan as Pakistani citizens with all the rights.
No one should tell them to leave Pakistan or go to India under any circumstances. However they won't and shouldn't be allowed to pretend as Muslims or call their religion Islam. They are not Muslim by the very basic definition of the Islam and our constitution recognises that since 1974.

Of course dear . I don't like their literature doesn't mean I hate a common ahmadi .
But how can you convince the western pakistani minds that ahmadi teachings are against islam .

 

[Sliver]

IF THE ARE FEELING UNSAFE HERE .
Well, most of Ahmadis do leave pakistan for this reason and then back stab and abuse pakistan for actions of few and will pray for its destruction .
While it's only pakistan, an islamic country that has allowed them to practise their religion freely .

They pray with us , eat with us , we party together but don't know why do they complain a lot when reach another European state .

Lots of secular countries allow free practice of religion without curtailing their basic rights.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Plz don't interpret the verse for your purpose .

But it's okay for you to spout hate using religion?

common people as there are chances that lay people may be deceived .

You pompous git. Who are you? Special. You are also just common people or lay people and have no right to judge others as if you stand on a elevated station - your not. And if you do stand elevated tell me who made you elevated - did the almoghty confer something on you unlike rest of commoners?

And for everybody else. Food for thought. Sir Zafaraullah Khan was openly known as a Ahmadi yet he was the President of the Musli League in 1932. Further he was close confidente of Jinnah and played critical role in the making of Pakistan. After 1947 he occupied high positions in the government. Clearly Jinnah did not have any problems with Ahmadi's. This is a curse that has infected grown strong since then.


Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Zafarullah_Khan

 

[Valar Dohaeris]

Dude, how old are you? Seriously this isn't meant to be an insult to you but seriously? Did you know before Zia's ordinances, public munazarahs used to happen between Ahmadi and Non Ahmadi Ulama? How do you expect an Ahmadi to go out for a public munazarah when a) The Mullah party will now just get a mob and lynch him because the police will not protect him. b) Anyone who explains Ahmadi belief is apparently breaking the law. You haven't been paying much attention have you?

There are more details to the story than these reactions only. But lets settle it, I respect Qadyani's right to live and have a good life in Pakistan like other religious minorities (Sadly the situation is not very good for minorities currently but lets hope its get better). But, it is a fact that Qadyani community does respect law of Pakistan about declaring them as non-Muslims, despite of the fact this law has forbid escalation of riots in the country which was a routine matter before. And it is another fact that Qadyani themselves believe that those who are not Qadyani they are Kafir.

 

[Pakistani E]

Anyways, my last post on this thread. No state has the right to decide my religion. Anti Ahmadiyya laws are a blight on humanity and spits on the memories of all the Ahmadis that have died fighting for this country. The publications that the Gov of Punjab banned contain nothing against Pakistan, I can post it here if someone wants to. How it was declared “seditious and treasonable” is not comprehensible.

But the Gov of Punjab can still allow Terrorists in south Punjab to roam free, and the federal government turns a blind eye to the mullah in Islamabad. This is nothing but hypocrisy, especially the ones who cry about the suffering of distant lands but forget the ones they oppress at home.

 

[pak-marine]

It's very simple, first our constitution defines who is Muslim and then our constitution states that no one without the basic Muslim beliefs should call them Muslims, You just can't identify yourself as a Muslim,other basic rights are same as any Pakistani, whatever you wanna call yourself........

And is this right for a state to decide and issue religious qualification certificates? None of statea business and its a draconian/ evil law

 

[marj666]

The constitution is not holy to me. It is written by men and can be changed by men. I will call my self whatever my heart desires. Just like you can.

you can't eat your cake and have it , if you don't believe in upholding constitution of Pakistan then how can you take about lawlessness and discrimination ,by your logic your protection as a minority shouldn't be done as it is in constitution which is unholy... The real fight is about the right to call yourself a Muslim isn't it let's don't beat around the Bush

 

[Prince of Dorne]

And banning eating beef is part of your constitution? If it isn't then why the f*ck Maharashtra govt banned it??

http://indianexpress.com/article/ci...oints-officers-to-implement-beef-ban-2831536/

And what about Haryana government?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...non-bailable-offence/articleshow/46590961.cms

Main topic wahin lai ja raha hoon jahan jana chahiye.

Apnai ghar ki fikar karo beta. And then come here and lecture us.

Dude pardon me for saying this, but you are a super weird guy, I know you can't digest your meal without bashing India, but at least do a bit of study to save you from further embarrassment, ever heard of state legislatures? it is a matter of the states, Maharashtra as a state has all the right to ban whatever the puck it wants, just like it is very much legal in kerala, WB and NE states. Just like some US states allow LGBT marriage, some don't.

 

[M. Sarmad]

... They are not Muslim by the very basic definition of the Islam ....

There is no "very basic definition of Islam" agreed upon by all sects .... This was pointed out by the honourable Supreme Court of Pakistan in 1953/54 ... Mullahs belonging to different sects couldn't agree upon any definition of Islam (accepted by all) when the court asked them to define "Muslim" .... For details see "Munir's Report"

and our constitution recognises that since 1974..

Don't you think that we should not be the ones deciding who is a Muslim or who is not ? That authority/judgement lies with Allah alone .. He doesn't need our "opinion" in matters regarding him ....

And it was PM Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who amended the Constitution in 1974 and declared Ahmedis as non Muslims as last desperate bid to buy off the Mullahs who were agitating against him and wanted to overthrow his government (with US backing) .... It was a political move ... Played by a seasoned politician for personal gains ... It was never about religion ..

 

[marj666]

And is this right for a state to decide and issue religious qualification certificates? None of statea business and its a draconian/ evil law

should we take a page from the oldest democracy and start treating minorities like second class citizens????? Who should dictate the state's responsibility???? the state is only following which common sense demands

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Anyways

Mate, just want you to know, your Pakistani. Period. I would stand by your side without a shred of doubt. I don't agree with what you believe but that is your choice. The doctor I described is incredibly loyal to Pakistan and I know he runs so many charity events - he leaves behind a very positive vibe for Pakistan unlike some scumbags that cry foul and do damage to Pakistan in the international community.

 

[Hrk19]

I am an Ahmadi, my relatives were with Jinnah since before Pakistan was even made. I lost family fighting for Pakistan, there hasn't been a single war fought by the state of Pakistan that my family and community has not been a part of. Why would I or any other Ahmadi want to back stab Pakistan? Why should we go to India? Everyone has the right to complain, just like you are on this thread about Ahmadis. It's called freedom of expression.

Religious differences aside, drop the tin foil hat of conspiracy theories. We get it you don't like us because of religious differences but don't invent this "treason" and "backstab" BS.

here is the thing,you ahmedis are apostates and only are allowed to live because you were declared as non muslims
now,since we cant kill you,we most certainly will insult you for following an abomination of a fabrication
we(majority of religious pakistanis) will do everything in our power to make your lives miserable because it is our duty as muslims to discourage other muslims from evil practices
and Insha Allah you will never be welcome in pakistan,regardless of what the liberals on here say as they are an extremely tiny minority

and to those muslims who defend them,read this hadith
“Whoso- ever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.”

[Muslim]

meaning that those that do not even consider what the blasted ahmedis are doing as something bad,you basically have no faith whatsoever and are devoid of islam

 

[pak-marine]

should we take a page from the oldest democracy and start treating minorities like second class citizens????? Who should dictate the state's responsibility???? the state is only following which common sense demands

Thats not common sense that mullah sense .. and clear messages have been sent across by the clergy by murdering every one who spoke against it .. so save it please

 

[Well.wisher]

But it's okay for you to spout hate using religion?

You pompous git. Who are you? Special. You are also just common people or lay people and have no right to judge others as if you stand on a elevated station - your not. And if you do stand elevated tell me who made you elevated - did the almoghty confer something on you unlike rest of commoners?

And for everybody else. Food for thought. Sir Zafaraullah Khan was openly known as a Ahmadi yet he was the President of the Musli League in 1932. Further he was close confidente of Jinnah and played critical role in the making of Pakistan. After 1947 he occupied high positions in the government. Clearly Jinnah did not have any problems with Ahmadi's. This is a curse that has infected grown strong since then.


Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Zafarullah_Khan

If I'm differentiating wrong from right , does that mean I'm spouting hate .

You're showing me a verse of quran to teach me right ? Plz read other ones too so that you will agree with me that one who doesn't believe in finality of prophet is against islam and I will never ever support such literature who'll teach such filth and I'll do my best to aware common people of this lie no matter how much angry you get .

No I'm not someone special , it's my duty as a muslim to stop every wrong that's happening in name of Islam.

Plz get a islamic environment , don't break your keyboard .

 

[marj666]

Dude pardon me for saying this, but you are a super weird guy, I know you can't digest your meal without bashing India, but at least do a bit of study to save you from further embarrassment, ever heard of state legislatures? it is a matter of the states, Maharashtra as a state has all the right to ban whatever the puck it wants, just like it is very much legal in kerala, WB and NE states. Just like some US states allow LGBT marriage, some don't.

dude take as much offense you want to ,first fact check LGBT marriage is legal now in all US states ....and second don't go on quoting USA because you're an Indian so let's talk about your country ,the land of missionary killing , mosques destroying, caste biasing, the land of hypocrites , the laws of your country are as real as your GOT pic . At least the Pakistanis are killing minorities at government level, your country selected a mass murderer .... Don't come preaching Bia........