Ahmed Shah Abdali, the conqueror from Multan

[M. Sarmad]

Anyway, I don't think any source actually blatantly says he came from Herat. It's just deduced from timelines not matching and what not if I remember correctly.

Most believe that he was born in Herat, Afghanistan.[1][4][11][12][13][14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Durrani

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

In my opinion, religion can surpass blood. Otherwise there would not be a Pakistan (again, in my opinion).

The only major ethnic differences I see between Pakistanis and Hindustanis is that you guys have more dravidians, and we've got a little more foreign blood in us since we are further West.

If there was no religion factor; there would've been a Punjab, Sindh, "Afghania", Balochistan, Kashmir - none of these states would be in so called "Hindustan".

As someone who lives abroad, there is huge differences in almost every aspect. The only people that I could relate to from India are Indian Punjabis who only make up 2-3% of the Indian population.

The other Indians differ from me and other fellow Pakistanis in every single way: height, accent, looks, structure, culture, etc... - I mean of-course there are some similarities; such as interests in cricket and Urdu-Hindi similarity - but other than that, I don't see anything else.

I know you're a Muhajir and you have roots in India, but I would appreciate it if you would please not drag the rest of us into this myth.

I do however, still believe these Islamic leaders from across the region are all (or at least most of them are) relevant to Pakistan, they were Muslims of South Asia, as are we, and had a similar culture to our own (Tipu spoke Urdu and promoted it among his kingdom).

Before partition, hardly anyone from the regions of P.A.K.S.TAN spoke Urdu.

Even today, only 8% of Pakistanis speak Urdu as their first language.

Pakistan is at the cusp of two civilizations.

Different Pakistanis will see things differently wrt India depending on which side they identify with primarily.

Racially.

You see, religion could not surmount blood.

It's been my hypothesis since I started debating with you guys.

Cheers, Doc

Almost all Pakistanis regardless of their ethnicity would consider themselves different to Indians.

There are a few exceptions like some Muhajirs

or

Bollywood fanboys who foolishly think the people and (some of) culture being portrayed on Bollywood are actually how average Indians behave and look like - when in reality most of Bollywood is dominated by North-West Indians and people who have their origins in modern-day Pakistan.

Bollywood Indians

Real Indians

 

[Hamza913]

If there was no religion factor; there would've been a Punjab, Sindh, "Afghania", Balochistan, Kashmir - none of these states would be in so called "Hindustan".

As someone who lives abroad, there is huge differences in almost every aspect. The only people that I could relate to from India are Indian Punjabis who only make up 2-3% of the Indian population.

The other Indians differ from me and other fellow Pakistanis in every single way: height, accent, looks, structure, culture, etc... - I mean of-course there are some similarities; such as interests in cricket and Urdu-Hindi similarity - but other than that, I don't see anything else.

I know you're a Muhajir and you have roots in India, but I would appreciate it if you would please not drag the rest of us into this myth.


Before partition, hardly anyone from the regions of P.A.K.S.TAN spoke Urdu.

Even today, only 8% of Pakistanis speak Urdu as their first language.


Almost all Pakistanis regardless of their ethnicity would consider themselves different to Indians.

There are a few exceptions like some Muhajirs

or

Bollywood fanboys who foolishly think the people and (some of) culture being portrayed on Bollywood are actually how average Indians behave and look like - when in reality most of Bollywood is dominated by North-West Indians and people who have their origins in modern-day Pakistan.

Bollywood Indians

Real Indians

Asalamu Alaikum

I'm not a Muhajir, the overwhelming majority of my family comes from Pakistan. I've told you before, and won't tell you again. Please start actually reading what I type.

You're not the only one who lives abroad genius.

I don't relate to any of them either, but that's because I'm Muslim, they are not. I get along smoothly with Hindustani Muslims (the ones who aren't Uncle Tom's anyway), and find them pretty similar to us.

In terms of looks, most brown people look the same tbh. Height difference between us and them is minimal. In terms of accent, we both sound pretty similar when we speak English, provided the individuals from each side have an equal understanding of the language. Structure? No clue what you mean by that (if you mean caste system, I'll give you that). Culture varies from place to place, but I'd say that a Hindustani Muslim would typically have a rather similar one. Only non Muslim Hindustanis have a different culture in my opinion.

Urdu is the national language of Pakistan, and it's lingua franca. Everyone understands it, and it has historically been the language of Muslims across the region (well, Farsi played a more prominent role but Urdu still had an important one).

Most believe that he was born in Herat, Afghanistan.[1][4][11][12][13][14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Durrani

Wikipedia isn't a good source.

Anyway, what are you trying to prove? That Pakhtuns shouldn't consider this guy as their hero? He was a Mujahid who fought the viscious Sikh Empire and the Marathas.

 

[war&peace]

@Kaptaan, you're a nationalist while @dsr478 supports pan-Islamic brotherhood and while I support both and I'm not confused. I think we need Pakistan's identity to move in the sea of Islam. Unfortunately we have not evolved a strong national identity like Turks: they have a strong national identity but at the same time they are Muslim and talk think about Muslim brotherhood. The problem with some of our nationalists is that they are stupdly anti-Islam and want get rid of it especially from the public sphere which is impossible since masses overwhelmingly love Islam and Pakistan was created in the name of Islam. So religion is the cement that kinds all different ethnicities Punjabi with Pathan, Pathan with Sindhi... if you remove this binding element, these bricks can be easily removed and the building will fall down. However what some of the pan-Islamist do wrong, they put down Pakistan and put other Muslims first or give them equal rights to a Pakistani in Pakistan. Though Islam demands equality and I totally support that but it does not mean that the state of Pakistan has to treat every non-Pakistani Muslim on equal basis.

 

[Narcissist]

Most believe that he was born in Herat, Afghanistan.[1][4][11][12][13][14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Durrani

Did you click any of those references? Click them. They all say he was born in Multan.

india would be like this in 2030

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... this is classic.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Did you click any of those references? Click them. They all say he was born in Multan.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... this is classic.

bro you quoted me in wrong thread

 

[Narcissist]

bro you quoted me in wrong thread

Yes. I did it to save time.

 

[Hamza913]

Asalamu Alaikum

@waz

Could I please get this thread moved to the history section?