Ahmed Quraishi shows letter that MQM's Nasreen Jalil wrote to Indian govt seeking intervention

[Sheikh Rauf]

MQM isnt like Typical National Parties that exist in Punjab heavily Rely upon Electables and Notables they are Most Organized Platform that Rely on Workers from Top to Bottom and that is what makes them more Resilient and more Strongly United as well so dealing with MQM is not that easily its not like if we curb out few Leaders and MQM would collapse they would be replaced by new ones as people Vote MQM not Farooq Sattar or Haider Abbas.
All Muhajir doesnt Support MQM that is true but Vast Majority of them based in Karachi does and Rely on them on even Daily basis even especially when they have Complaints lets say Electricity, Gas, Water, Telephone, Internet, Cable etc when complains are not resolved on time. so things run quite deeper then what non Karachiite thinks it is.

That is good for Pakistan if one party is strong in any city of Pakistan, but i doubt it they gain this much momentum if army take the voilence element out MQM...
Any strong organization is definatily an asset to Pakistan but do we any doubt that Taliban, ISIS, even Tamil tigers were very well organization,, The way Altaf H has been acting and using words against Pakistan any sane human wouldnt follow him.
MQM sud be banned and let their people form another party, this organized gang sud not be tolerate in Pakistan..

 

[Gazi]

That is good for Pakistan if one party is strong in any city of Pakistan, but i doubt it they gain this much momentum if army take the voilence element out MQM...
Any strong organization is definatily an asset to Pakistan but do we any doubt that Taliban, ISIS, even Tamil tigers were very well organization,, The way Altaf H has been acting and using words against Pakistan any sane human wouldnt follow him.
MQM sud be banned and let their people form another party, this organized gang sud not be tolerate in Pakistan..

Buddy for how long????They need to prove them in front of Court without which they cant keep them permanently in custody without any trail or Proof can they????Thing is MQM is a Political Reality that need to be accepted and rather then trying to Kill it leave them alone otherwise they would RESIST in the process made things worse for everyone. In 1992 Similar Attempt was made by Army the reaction was they turned MQM into monster that kept Haunting them for the whole Decade and now they making things Worse by Arresting and detaining people like that without any Charges and this time it would be worse.
If you ban MQM they would return back with another name or INFILTRATE other Parties and Hijack their Karachi Based organization what would happened then???They are repeating the same mistake right now and this means Another Decades of suffering for Karachiite due to Establishment's Meddlings.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Buddy for how long????They need to prove them in front of Court without which they cant keep them permanently in custody without any trail or Proof can they????Thing is MQM is a Political Reality that need to be accepted and rather then trying to Kill it leave them alone otherwise they would RESIST in the process made things worse for everyone. In 1992 Similar Attempt was made by Army the reaction was they turned MQM into monster that kept Haunting them for the whole Decade and now they making things Worse by Arresting and detaining people like that without any Charges and this time it would be worse.
If you ban MQM they would return back with another name or INFILTRATE other Parties and Hijack their Karachi Based organization what would happened then???They are repeating the same mistake right now and this means Another Decades of suffering for Karachiite due to Establishment's Meddlings.

I dont agree with this they maybe monster cuz of unfinished operation and extra ordinary support of Musharraf.. if Tamil tigers can be eliminated i think any non statactors can be eliminated.. matter fact its a good idea if they join other parties let them have some good organization skills...
but anyone running party from overseas and become God mother of party is not accepted... their cases are already in UK court its time for them to realize that their drag queen is not worth to follow..
Pakistani judicial system you know how it works... Army is doing a good job against anyone who turned against state.we sud support them cuz we dont have any other choice and plan... even if army have to took over i would not mind we need peace and stability..atleast they are better than from our currupt politicians and their dozakhi aulads and represent from all over Pakistan..

 

[Gazi]

I dont agree with this they maybe monster cuz of unfinished operation and extra ordinary support of Musharraf.. if Tamil tigers can be eliminated i think any non statactors can be eliminated.. matter fact its a good idea if they join other parties let them have some good organization skills...

Cant Apply Tamil Tiger Solution on them because even Army doesnt convince their Family Member to Evacuate the City so what they are left with is Targeted Operation and that has proved to be Ineffective so far as MQM is still Strong a to the point they they even had Successful Strikes in Karachi. Tamil Tigers were Destroyed by Heavy weapons and Air Support while here we are facing totally different thing all together as MQM has not been declared Terrorist Organization so they have Rights to operate in Pakistan.

but anyone running party from overseas and become God mother of party is not accepted... their cases are already in UK court its time for them to realize that their drag queen is not worth to follow..

Its not me and you to decide who to follow who is not its People's decision and last time I checked they are still Politically Unchallenged in Karachi and enjoys the support contrary to where their leader is locate.

Pakistani judicial system you know how it works... Army is doing a good job against anyone who turned against state.we sud support them cuz we dont have any other choice and plan... even if army have to took over i would not mind we need peace and stability..atleast they are better than from our currupt politicians and their dozakhi aulads and represent from all over Pakistan..

Anyone Turning against the State needs o be taken out and for that they have Full Support but that doesnt give them one way Ticket to make anyone they dont like made enemy of the State just to Legitimize their Actions. That is not justified there must be a CONTROL Somewhere which is not there right now so its more dangerous situation considering the Reaction and Repercussion of all of this.

 

[Patriots]

There is no conspiracy theory here, the letter is genuine, nobody has denied it. Unless you have any proof that indicates otherwise, you are the conspiracy theorist.

As for Ahmad Quraishi, you know he's doing something right when all the Indians hate him.


Then why send it to the Indians? Why are the Indians being sent the same letters about our internal matters as our Prime Minister and Army Chief? It was enough to send it to the CJP, COAS and PM. No need to involve the Indians in our internal matters. When was the last time an Indian politician complained about India's internal matters to Pakistan?

It has been sent to all diplomats ... Anyhow I personally don't agree with this move .......

 

[TankMan]

It has been sent to all diplomats ... Anyhow I personally don't agree with this move .......

Involving foreign diplomats in our internal tensions is the absolute worse thing we can do. It shows a lack of self-respect and makes us look weak internationally. We have internal problems that can only be solved internally. Involving foreign diplomats creates bigger problems for us.

After MQM makes these kinds of moves, they shouldn't be surprised when people call them traitorous and whatnot.

 

[Gazi]

Involving foreign diplomats in our internal tensions is the absolute worse thing we can do. It shows a lack of self-respect and makes us look weak internationally. We have internal problems that can only be solved internally. Involving foreign diplomats creates bigger problems for us.

After MQM makes these kinds of moves, they shouldn't be surprised when people call them traitorous and whatnot.

They have the right to defend themselves just like BB, Nawaz, Zardari in the past even if it means asking for International Intervention. For them their Rights to Exist comes first and then National Integrity and Respect unless they are Legal Entity in Pakistan and not being Banned from operating.

There is no scale to judge someone's Patriotism as every individual is Different with their Opinions. MQM and their Supporters have Liberal Side to it while our Establishment is dominated by Conservative Side and this Difference of Opinion doesnt make them Traitor unless PROVEN so.

 

[Patriots]

Involving foreign diplomats in our internal tensions is the absolute worse thing we can do. It shows a lack of self-respect and makes us look weak internationally. We have internal problems that can only be solved internally. Involving foreign diplomats creates bigger problems for us.

After MQM makes these kinds of moves, they shouldn't be surprised when people call them traitorous and whatnot.

O don't be silly bro ... Everything is not treason ... This can be idiotic tactic rather than treachery ......

 

[TankMan]

They have the right to defend themselves just like BB, Nawaz, Zardari in the past even if it means asking for International Intervention. For them their Rights to Exist comes first and then National Integrity and Respect unless they are Legal Entity in Pakistan and not being Banned from operating.

There is no scale to judge someone's Patriotism as every individual is Different with their Opinions. MQM and their Supporters have Liberal Side to it while our Establishment is dominated by Conservative Side and this Difference of Opinion doesnt make them Traitor unless PROVEN so.

O don't be silly bro ... Everything is not treason ... This can be idiotic tactic rather than treachery ......

Calling for international intervention inside our internal political matters is borderline treason. This is not 'everything'. This is calling for international intervention. No self-respecting country does or tolerates that.

@Gazi this has nothing to do with any ''liberal side''. Pakistani politics are a lot more complicated than 'Liberal-Conservative'. A difference of opinion doesn't make them traitorous, but them engaging in violence and crimes, denouncing the creation of our country, calling for foreign intervention, constantly maligning state institutions - that much is enough to justify criticism. And all of that is proven. What more proof do you want than the words of MQM's own leader?

They must mend their ways. Nobody is denying MQM the right to exist. Nobody. What they are being denied is their ''right'' to commit crimes. If they feel they can't exist without being a criminal mafia, that's their problem.

 

[Gazi]

Calling for international intervention inside our internal political matters is borderline treason. This is not 'everything'. This is calling for international intervention. No self-respecting country does or tolerates that.

Calling for Intervention for PROTECTION is different thing then asking different country all together. They have right to exist until they are Legal Entity in Pakistan and when they cant get any help Internally within the country they would look outside so bear with it.

@Gazi this has nothing to do with any ''liberal side''. Pakistani politics are a lot more complicated than 'Liberal-Conservative'. A difference of opinion doesn't make them traitorous, but them engaging in violence and crimes, denouncing the creation of our country, calling for foreign intervention, constantly maligning state institutions - that much is enough to justify criticism. And all of that is proven. What more proof do you want than the words of MQM's own leader?

It has always been difference of opinion as BB was quite liberal leader and she use to complain alot about our establishment's attitude as well so there is a difference of opinion exist within. Karachi has been hub of Liberal forces in last 30 years in the form of PPP, MQM and ANP while RWP has always remain most Conservative part of Pakistan so there is a difference of Mindset that influence Decision making. So far we are observing actions against PP and MQM while not much has been done against those ASWJ types who operates from Punjab region and our establishment is calling it Across the Board. Heck even Lal Masjid Molvi is still roaming freely around Peshawar and Islamabad along with his goons who would brought him to Justice???Where is Model Town Culprits????This pick and choose Justice wont work if Army is interested then clear the mess in their Backyard as well SIMULTANEOUSLY.

They must mend their ways. Nobody is denying MQM the right to exist. Nobody. What they are being denied is their ''right'' to commit crimes. If they feel they can't exist without being a criminal mafia, that's their problem.

No one has right to commit Crime but people are INNOCENT until Proven Guilty so instead of Arresting people on mere suspicion they should Provide Proofs to Court and get them Convicted of their Crimes. Making Confessional Statements by alleged Tortures and then Releasing to media is nothing more then Maligning and humiliating Campaign and that has already made this whole thing Suspicious to people.

 

[batmannow]

Let's find the letter from nawz Sharif's son to Indian PM ?
Shall we ?

 

[Patriots]

Calling for international intervention inside our internal political matters is borderline treason. This is not 'everything'. This is calling for international intervention. No self-respecting country does or tolerates that.

First this is not the invitation for intervention ... But if you insist then MQM is not the first ... Earlier PPP, PMLN, JI and many other parties had used foreign influence to get relief ... Why don't you say them traitor too...?????

 

[TankMan]

Calling for Intervention for PROTECTION is different thing then asking different country all together. They have right to exist until they are Legal Entity in Pakistan and when they cant get any help Internally within the country they would look outside so bear with it.

No. They don't need any protection. They have the right to exist but have no right to keep a militant wing. This protection drama won't get you people far. The only protection you need is from the criminals within your own party.

It has always been difference of opinion as BB was quite liberal leader and she use to complain alot about our establishment's attitude as well so there is a difference of opinion exist within. Karachi has been hub of Liberal forces in last 30 years in the form of PPP, MQM and ANP while RWP has always remain most Conservative part of Pakistan so there is a difference of Mindset that influence Decision making. So far we are observing actions against PP and MQM while not much has been done against those ASWJ types who operates from Punjab region and our establishment is calling it Across the Board. Heck even Lal Masjid Molvi is still roaming freely around Peshawar and Islamabad along with his goons who would brought him to Justice???Where is Model Town Culprits????This pick and choose Justice wont work if Army is interested then clear the mess in their Backyard as well SIMULTANEOUSLY.

This has, yet again, nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism. It doesn't matter who BB used to complain about, at the end of the day it was the avarice of her own husband and 'liberal' party politicians that got her killed.

As for across the board, before you people were crying that PPP is not being targeted and that MQM is the only one - we used to hear constant rhetoric and ranting about there being no raids against Zardari and so on. Now you're crying that it's only PPP and MQM and not 'Conservative' parties.

An ASWJ leader ,along with a few dozen of their supporters,was arrested in a raid recently - and this ASWJ made the exact same victimization drama as MQM did, they say the exact same things: that 'we're the only ones being targeted', 'rangers aren't arresting those who attack us' and so on.

When everyone cries that they're the only ones being targeted, when everyone is trying to push a victimization narrative - we can be damn sure the operation is across the board.

As for the Lal Masjid, you have to understand that the forces are stretched very thin and that it is impractical to take action everywhere simultaneously, especially when this action can result in massive instability. The forces will need to be prepared and not occupied with other things before they can mess with that bee hive.

It will take a while, but eventually it will be the turn of Lal Masjid as well.

There is no ''pick and choose justice''. Only ''I want to cover my eyes and scream victimization because I can't accept being subjected to justice'' on part of MQM.

First this is not the invitation for intervention ... But if you insist then MQM is not the first ... Earlier PPP, PMLN, JI and many other parties had used foreign influence to get relief ... Why don't you say them traitor too...?????

''Use your offices to stop our Law Enforcement authorities'' sounds very much like an invitation, nay, a request for intervention.

As for other parties, I do call them traitors. JI is full of traitors, traitors who used to oppose the founders of Pakistan and who continued to sow seeds of treachery until the nation had to reap the result of those seeds in the form of terrorism and militancy. But are they, right now, asking for foreign intervention? No. The only two parties screaming and shouting right now are PPP and MQM.

Today's PPP is nothing more than a bunch of traitorous and murderous thieves. I'd be celebrating once this party is finished and buried, an certain outcome of what's happening nowadays. Zardari's days are numbered.

PMLN? They're currently co-operating with the Army and Law Enforcement - for their own selfish interest, no doubt, but as of now, they're being good enough to be tolerable. Of course, they still do have that mafia of a police force, the Punjab Police, as their militant wing - but that's nothing that can't be fixed once Karachi and FATA are cleaned up.

Now, does any of this justify the actions of your MQM and it's criminal elements? No. Not at all.

 

[Gazi]

No. They don't need any protection. They have the right to exist but have no right to keep a militant wing. This protection drama won't get you people far. The only protection you need is from the criminals within your own party.

Having a Grass Root level Organization doesnt means Militant Wing. This is one Mode of Communication between Electorates and Electable Members WRT Problems their Constituents face and their Solution and this DEFINES how much MQM is SERIOUS in Representing Karachi unlike PTI, PMLN and other so called National Parties that are dependent on Candidate which are nowhere to be found in Constituency after getting Elected. If Rangers wants that Option for Karachi then Thanks but No Thanks their services are useless.

This has, yet again, nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism. It doesn't matter who BB used to complain about, at the end of the day it was the avarice of her own husband and 'liberal' party politicians that got her killed.

As for across the board, before you people were crying that PPP is not being targeted and that MQM is the only one - we used to hear constant rhetoric and ranting about there being no raids against Zardari and so on. Now you're crying that it's only PPP and MQM and not 'Conservative' parties.

An ASWJ leader ,along with a few dozen of their supporters,was arrested in a raid recently - and this ASWJ made the exact same victimization drama as MQM did, they say the exact same things: that 'we're the only ones being targeted', 'rangers aren't arresting those who attack us' and so on.

For her Politics Zardari or Nawaz wasnt even a threat rather it was Establishment that she felt more of a Threat so its Quite Clear which Mindset has always Dominate our Establishment and which Mindset has Struggled throughout.

The so called Across the Board is not my Claim rather its our Army Chief and DG Rangers that Claim they are dong operation so called Across the Board so the Burden of Prove also rest with their Shoulders as well and they have to convince people as most Karachiite are not Fool enough to buy everything establishment try to Sell and it has always been that way ever since Ayub Khan.

So far no reports have circulated in media as last time I heard was some ASWJ Leader was wounded in Assassination Attempt in RWP or Isl. other then that no Reports of any wide Spread Crackdown on their Madrassahs like the way they are doing Crackdown on MQM Offices throughout Sindh.

As for the Lal Masjid, you have to understand that the forces are stretched very thin and that it is impractical to take action everywhere simultaneously, especially when this action can result in massive instability. The forces will need to be prepared and not occupied with other things before they can mess with that bee hive.

It will take a while, but eventually it will be the turn of Lal Masjid as well.

There is no ''pick and choose justice''. Only ''I want to cover my eyes and scream victimization because I can't accept being subjected to justice'' on part of MQM.

If they are Stretching very thin then they should have handled the Smaller groups first why they had to Directly went after MQM and PPP which are too much for them to Handle and creating a whole new level of Political Mess in a city that is somehow trying to contribute to the economy on the first place???ASWJ doesnt enjoy so much support among Masses especially their Opponents are way more vocal but MQM and PPP are way different Ball Game all together as they Enjoy Public support maybe PPP couldnt have Abilities to resist that much but MQM has way more Resistances in it and they are completely wasting their time by Chasing MQM.

 

[TankMan]

Having a Grass Root level Organization doesnt means Militant Wing. This is one Mode of Communication between Electorates and Electable Members WRT Problems their Constituents face and their Solution and this DEFINES how much MQM is SERIOUS in Representing Karachi unlike PTI, PMLN and other so called National Parties that are dependent on Candidate which are nowhere to be found in Constituency after getting Elected. If Rangers wants that Option for Karachi then Thanks but No Thanks their services are useless.

Having a grass root level organization doesn't mean a militant wing. But having an armed group of criminals means having a militant wing.

MQM is only serious in defending criminals and dividing the nation through ethnic victimization.

For her Politics Zardari or Nawaz wasnt even a threat rather it was Establishment that she felt more of a Threat so its Quite Clear which Mindset has always Dominate our Establishment and which Mindset has Struggled throughout.

The so called Across the Board is not my Claim rather its our Army Chief and DG Rangers that Claim they are dong operation so called Across the Board so the Burden of Prove also rest with their Shoulders as well and they have to convince people as most Karachiite are not Fool enough to buy everything establishment try to Sell and it has always been that way ever since Ayub Khan.

So far no reports have circulated in media as last time I heard was some ASWJ Leader was wounded in Assassination Attempt in RWP or Isl. other then that no Reports of any wide Spread Crackdown on their Madrassahs like the way they are doing Crackdown on MQM Offices throughout Sindh.

Zardari isn't a threat? Give me a break. That thief is one of the biggest threats to Pakistan.

No reports in the media? All the MQM propaganda must've blinded you.
Rangers arrest 145 suspects in Karachi crackdown - The Express Tribune
ASWJ's central leader Aurangzeb Farooqi arrested | Pakistan | Dunya News
Dozens arrested as Rangers raid Sunni Tehreek Karachi office - The Express Tribune
Karachi: Rangers raid Sunni Tehreek's central office once again | Pakistan | Dunya News

If they are Stretching very thin then they should have handled the Smaller groups first why they had to Directly went after MQM and PPP which are too much for them to Handle and creating a whole new level of Political Mess in a city that is somehow trying to contribute to the economy on the first place???

Because the smaller groups will keep forming until some of these bigger ones are handled. Right now they are handling Zarb e Azb and Karachi. MQM and PPP are not too much to handle, but opening more fronts isn't practical. That doesn't mean abandoning the existing ones is necessary.

and they are completely wasting their time by Chasing MQM.

No, they aren't. MQM needs to be cleaned up if it is to be a proper political party instead of a militant mafia. The fact that the criminals are crying, self-victimizing and desperately trying to involve foreigners shows that this is no waste of time.