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LOL, so all of a sudden i became a wahabi,!! funny ANyway, who gives a damn to what you think, from my side you can title me Kafir doesnt matter my its not gonna change my faith.


What kinda munafiqat is this........if you play the game of saying that ahmadies are kafir then ahmadies should accept it and if somebody else claims you are a kafir then it doesnt change your faith

Dude thats plain munafiqat and double standards!! your version of islam is right and all others are kafirs......this is the game played in pakistan......GOT IT NOW!!

save pakistan and get educated!!
 
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The state should not discriminate on the basis of religion, cast, color, status, regional or sects,,, The video states that this man differentiate the ahmedis with pakistan,,,,thats wrong,,,,
Ahmedis are pakistanis,, as far as terrorists activities are considered nor muslim neither non muslim are saved from such brutal activities so there is no point to create an issue which is not there..

Buddy you guys started it......it was the government of pakistan who bashed the title of non muslim on ahmadies and sidelined them!! and now you are complaining against this behaviour

Double standards!!
 
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I have seen that in last ten years a consensus have built up in Pakistani Muslim psyche that murtid Qadianis are out of control. Now the violence has been escalated by extremist elements. Qadianis should avoid missionary work and keep low profile in Pakistan. May be they should try to emulate what Ismailis are doing in Pakistan.

If only they feared persecution!!:)
 
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The way you take it as a shame on Pakistanis, in precisely the same manner we (Muslims) take it as a shame if someone enounces prophecy and still goes on to live. (followers of such a kafir are not included for such a death row)

Ohh somebody wants to talk logic........Allah subhana watalla mentions in Quran......that a false prophet will be caught from his she-rug!!

now my dear friend when Allah takes the responsiblity of dealing with the false prophet why do the "muslims" of pakistan have to take it to themselve to safe guard islam.....infact it shows thier distrust on God and his sayings



Don't term it as a black law, instead look how hard and directly do you people hit Islam and then ask to overturn any Law, we make, to curb such strike? And how could you forget that Pakistan is an Islamic republic, kaam ki nahi chalo NAAM KI TO REHNY DO.

Anything thats based on discrimination and hatred is infact a black law......Can you do me a favour!! ask any imam sahab a simple question.......what is a difference between "Khatim...with a zair on arabic tey" and "khatam....with a zabar on arabic tey" and then ask him which word was used to refrence Holy Prophet.....you will get the whole game in seconds

Khatim means Last
Khatam means Seal(stamp used for authenticity which infact validates the forthcoming of prophets after prophet muhammed(PBUH))

PLz do that for the sake for proving me wrong atleast!!
 
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You moronic hate inciter, the ahmadies have done more for the creation of Pakistan than you can imagine, certainly more then these Jamaat-e-Islami guys and other fundamentalist parties who opposed Pakistan.

Also there is hue and cry now because clearly something is at fault here, why discriminate against someone based on their beliefs.

What you call anti-Pakistan propaganda is the reality that you cannot face, all we need is to give credit where it is due and our minorities are excellent.

But it is people like you that will cause hindrance in achieving the goals of a fair and balanced Pakistan.

All the condemnation against these attacks is coming from well known and respected people from Pakistan not ahmadies themselves.

I even saw their press meet, one person asked them that why do they not leave Pakistan, he said it is my country and I will do whatever I can for it, why should I leave it.

Certainly it is people like you that overlook others excellent qualities and characteristics, shut up and increase you own faith so that it does not feel inadequate.

You need to get the hate out of you, the hate built in you from you upbringing and the subsequent discrimination you force on others is something that needs serious attention.

Funny how you did not condemn the taliban and label them as non Muslims when I clearly asked you for it, tells you all doesn't it.

sir, plz can u xplain wht they did for the Creation Of pakistan.. As i knw zafar ullah khan qadiani never participate in jinaza of Jinnah.
 
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A Muslim is a person who considers Allah as the one and only God and Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) as the last prophet.

And here their faith denies Islam.

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Only Sunnis are the real Muslims, rests are Kafir & must be executed!!!!!
 
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Only Sunnis are the real Muslims, rests are Kafir & must be executed!!!!!

I don't think you should make sectarian statements as such! I hope the moderators will not tolerate this also so that the environment here is not ruined!
 
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I don't think you should make sectarian statements as such! I hope the moderators will not tolerate this also so that the environment here is not ruined!
He is an Indian Muslim i guess or that post maybe was sarcastic..
 
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You moronic hate inciter, the ahmadies have done more for the creation of Pakistan than you can imagine, certainly more then these Jamaat-e-Islami guys and other fundamentalist parties who opposed Pakistan.

Also there is hue and cry now because clearly something is at fault here, why discriminate against someone based on their beliefs.

What you call anti-Pakistan propaganda is the reality that you cannot face, all we need is to give credit where it is due and our minorities are excellent.

But it is people like you that will cause hindrance in achieving the goals of a fair and balanced Pakistan.

All the condemnation against these attacks is coming from well known and respected people from Pakistan not ahmadies themselves.

I even saw their press meet, one person asked them that why do they not leave Pakistan, he said it is my country and I will do whatever I can for it, why should I leave it.

Certainly it is people like you that overlook others excellent qualities and characteristics, shut up and increase you own faith so that it does not feel inadequate.

You need to get the hate out of you, the hate built in you from you upbringing and the subsequent discrimination you force on others is something that needs serious attention.

Funny how you did not condemn the taliban and label them as non Muslims when I clearly asked you for it, tells you all doesn't it.

Why so serious lol, just take a glass of fresh cold water and take a long breadth. and when you feel you are a bit relaxed then use your energies to answer the following questions with simple decent words, it will help us to understand your Ahmadism and it will indeed help you more building up so-called repute of yours (ahmadies)..

Here are the links to prove my words,

Ahmadiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mahdi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now how can you prove his words ?? What is his authenticity? Who is he ?? Just a random personality trying to bash on Pakistan!! What proves his words right, what is the proof that this guy is not a propagandist?

So instead of mourning and crying loudly post some stuff that can justify your believes.. all i see is, you are trying to run from original question and somehow trying your best to troll this topic out .. :argh:

Peace..!!
 
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I don't think you should make sectarian statements as such! I hope the moderators will not tolerate this also so that the environment here is not ruined!

Title itself is all about discussing a particular Sect. I don't see any offence to quoting other sect here.
 
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And the one who denies this statement or somehow alter it is not a Muslim.. I think everything is Cristal clear here. Either believe it as it is, or you aren't deserved to be called as Muslim.. There is Yes or No, no middle way.. GOT IT..!!!

I agree, but the point is why to be intolerant to other sects in Islam, why to try to execute all who don't follow.?
 
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Title itself is all about discussing a particular Sect. I don't see any offence to quoting other sect here.

No actually there is much offense. You have a right to your own personal views though you need to better word them or not be vocal in a way to hurt the sensitives of other members. All scholars generally agree on the fact that the requirements to be a Muslim includes belief in the oneness of Allah swt, the Angels, the Books, the finality and infalliablity of the Holy Qur'an and belief in Muhammad (S) as the Seal of the Prophets.

Lastly, not all adherents of Islam come under umbrella of the Ahl-Sunnah wa'Jammah, for instance myself, yet I have no question about the righteousness of my beliefs. Hence the reason why I asked you not to make such statements else the forum would become a sectarian flame center instead.
 
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The Second Amendment

The violence against the Ahmediyya community underscores the bigotry that has become the hallmark of our beloved homeland. A community — already sacrificed at the altar of political expediency — has now been made to pay the ultimate price.

Amongst the dead, which included retired army officers and other contributors to Pakistani society, was reportedly the youngest brother of Chaudhry Zafarullah Khan. For those who are unaware of who Chaudhry Zafarullah was, he was the author of the Lahore Resolution, Pakistan’s first foreign minister and Pakistan’s advocate before the Boundary Commission. In other words, this community has paid for such crimes as their valiant contribution to the Pakistan Movement, their significant role in the development of Pakistan and the fact that Pakistan’s only Nobel Prize was bagged by them. Yet what happened on Friday was waiting to happen, given the neglect and at times outright bigotry that our governments, both federal and provincial, have been guilty of on this count starting with the PPP government in 1974.

Things were not always like this. It bears remembering that in 1944 when a group of Muslim divines approached Jinnah to persuade him unsuccessfully to turn all Ahmedis out of the Muslim League, Jinnah was resolute against such bigotry. He responded to them by saying, “Who am I to declare non-Muslim a person who calls himself a Muslim?” It was for this reason that many religious parties and even self-styled freedom fighters like Mirza Ali Khan (Faqir of Ipi) denounced the Muslim League as a “bastion of Qadiyanism”. Yet such was the force of character of our founding father that he not only stood against such bigotry but without any fear appointed the leading Ahmedi Muslim at the time to shoulder the most important responsibility for the Muslims of South Asia, i.e. of arguing Pakistan’s case before the Boundary Commission. So long as the Quaid’s colleagues were at the helm, there was some semblance of common sense that prevailed on this issue. When in 1953, the Majlis-e-Ahrar and the Jamaat-e-Islami, both groups that had opposed the creation of Pakistan, started a mass agitation movement to have Ahmedis like Chaudhry Zafarullah turned out from the government and excommunicated from Islam, Khawaja Nazimuddin, himself a devout Muslim, refused to bow under their pressure. His government fell a few weeks later and the establishment stepped in to sweep up the mullahs with extreme prejudice.

In 1974, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was determined to hang on to power by hook or by crook. Though not a bigot himself, Bhutto was ill-advised by his law minister Abdul Hafeez Pirzada. As a result, the PPP stabbed in the back the one community that had helped them in winning the 1970 elections, by putting a question to parliament that it had no authority to determine. As a result Bhutto managed to hang on to power for another three years. The usurper who replaced Bhutto, General Ziaul Haq, took bigotry against the Ahmedis to another level altogether with his unconstitutional and inhumane Ordinance XX of 1984 specifically targeting this community. His bigotry was upheld by our independent judiciary in Zaheeruddin v The State, where the dispensers of justice compared Islamic symbols with Coca Cola’s intellectual property in an argument that defies all legal sense and logic to justify the ban on the Ahmedis from using any Islamic symbols — symbols that are central to their faith.

Martin Lau, a leading legal scholar of religious freedom in common law jurisdictions, has argued in his paper on Zaheeruddin v The State that Pakistan has abolished religious freedom for Pakistanis, Muslims and non-Muslims alike, through this judicial precedent. My own view is that the very idea of Pakistan as a bastion against the tyranny of the majority was killed the day our parliament decided to take it upon itself to excommunicate a sect from Islam. The Second Amendment laid the foundations of intolerance and religious tyranny in Pakistan, which has manifested itself in other ways. Since then our state has been in a downward spiral. The Gojra incident, violence against Shias, and now the massacre of the Ahmedis is only symptomatic of the real sickness that emerges from the 1974 Amendment. Pakistan shall continue to be on the wrong side of history as long as the Second Amendment remains in the constitution of this republic.

The time has come for the PPP government to undo this great injustice done to not just a minority sect but to Pakistan itself. All roots of Pakistan’s current existential crisis with Islam emerge from that one foul act that was brought about on the ill-advice of Abdul Hafeez Pirzada, who is now challenging parliament’s sovereignty, the same sovereignty he had argued 36 years ago as being absolute. It is now up to the PPP to make a clear choice. Will it continue to defend a dubious legacy or will it come out decisively against religious bigotry?

History beckons President Zardari and Prime Minister Gilani to clear the name of Pakistan’s largest political party by undoing what it did in 1974. In this they must be supported unwaveringly by the MQM and the ANP — for they claim to be the guardians of secular liberal politics. The Sharif brothers must also atone for their sins — of having spoken from both sides of their mouths — by supporting this move. Even the religious parties, the Jamaat-e-Islami foremost amongst them, must state unwaveringly that while they may not consider the Ahmedis Muslims, they are willing to leave this final judgement to God.

If they manage to undo this grievous injustice and act of inhumanity, the ladies and gentlemen in our parliament will secure for themselves a permanent place in Pakistan’s history as the visionaries who restored Jinnah’s Pakistan, which is to be built on the ideals of justice, fair play, impartiality and complete equality for all citizens of Pakistan.


Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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Another troll thread.Fargh bhait kar koi aur kam nahi ha kai?

I am sick of Indians most of them who don't know the ABC of our religion opening these threads.

and MODS i strongly protest why these kinds of threads are tolerated on PDF.

The other day someone opened a thread about Hinduism and that was immediately closed so why doesn't this thread deserve the same fate?

Or should i say only Islam Bashing is allowed on PDF?
 
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Another troll thread.Fargh bhait kar koi aur kam nahi ha kai?

I am sick of Indians most of them who don't know the ABC of our religion opening these threads.

and MODS i strongly protest why these kinds of threads are tolerated on PDF.

The other day someone opened a thread about Hinduism and that was immediately closed so why doesn't this thread deserve the same fate?

Or should i say only Islam Bashing is allowed on PDF?

Just a gentle reminder that the thread has been made sticky. So MODS have made their position pretty clear on this.
 
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