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[Jungibaaz]

a) Did this so called journalist contacted Bajwa to get his side of story before publishing? Just like Nawaz clan was contacted by Panama papers team before it was all made public? As I mentioned earlier, this is the basic principal of journalism to contact all stakeholders and get their side of story before publishing. If this was not done, this should already raise alarm bells.

b) Any sane Pakistani with little bit of common sense would understand the timing of all this is very convenient when CPEC is going into stage 2 and 3 and with President Xi visit to Pakistan on the cards. To make the office of CPEC authority controversial, you are giving all the ammunition to the enemies of Pakistan. Not a rocket science.

c) Even for argument sake, if Bajwa did some corruption, this has to be dealt with discreetly and without making much fan fare. Let me repeat, its not Bajwa but CPEC which is on the cross hair and will remain so. Let all understand this, digest it and adjust our reactions

a) Yes, as far as I’m aware Noorani contacted Bajwa before publishing and also his wife. I think he said he did this on more than one occasion but did not receive a response. Again I can’t be sure since it’s his word, he should be able to provide proof of attempted correspondence then.

You can watch this interview and judge for yourself:

b) Brother I understand CPEC quite well. I’ve offered detailed overviews of my reading of the investment portfolios in the past, as well as terms of financing and cost of capital. I fully disagree with and reject the assertion that this necessarily has to be a conspiracy against CPEC. Could it be so? Sure. But does it look likely to me? No. Is there sufficient evidence to claim an anti CPEC conspiracy? Absolutely not.

c) On the first part I agree, but ask yourself, our former PM, was his accountability dealt with quietly or was there a media circus? Ditto on Qazi Faez Isa..?

I agree in principle that media circus is best to be avoided and CPEC should be protected. But the real question for me here is whether even Asim Bajwa will be forced to prove himself in the way others have, leave alone whether it is done quietly or loudly.

In summary, I don’t see this as an anti cpec conspiracy, there’s a serious lack of credible evidence. And the real question here is of Asim Bajwa’s assets and conduct, all else is just deflection and diversion. Even Asim Bajwa in his interview never once disputed the public documents Noorani published, he only tried to explain what was released about him.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

a) Yes, as far as I’m aware Noorani contacted Bajwa before publishing and also his wife. I think he said he did this on more than one occasion but did not receive a response. Again I can’t be sure since it’s his word, he should be able to provide proof of attempted correspondence then.

Let him bring forth the proof of contacting Bajwa family.

 

[khail007]

Still General Asim Bajwa needs to come clean like every other Pakistani, no shame in it will get more respect from the ordinary Pakistanis. As a prime example who got fleeced by his own kins in uniform i do recommend all the accused Generals to come clean, and enhance the prestige of their August institution further. They should not harass the media, SECP, Judges and others and should not consider themselves ABOVE THE LAW. We all love our armed forces deeply and for their honor i will not add any thing more.

Sir G, none is above the law but the wild breed from Pakistan strolling on the London roads with the lowest platelet counts in the world.
This is just an example of the system which masters left behind for the slaves. The slaves consider this 'decaying' system will project them over the horizon but no it only projected the corrupts families and mafias of the Pakistan.
Further, I amazed how many days earlier the 'breaking story' was released but none approached to the courts. They know in court the information in video could be proven right and expose their type of journalism in Pakistan. Everyone in Pakistan knows, most of Pakistani journalists are only tameable by 'lafafa'.
In Panama case, no one waited so long and soon witnessed the flood of lies and deceits starting from 'media interviews'; floor of 'Muqaddas Parliament'; certain letters from foreign countries thru foreign missions of Pakistan and still the ongoing fake medical reports the flood is still raging. I think enough for us to know those who are above the law in Pakistan but some low IQs still believe otherwise.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

b) Brother I understand CPEC quite well. I’ve offered detailed overviews of my reading of the investment portfolios in the past, as well as terms of financing and cost of capital. I fully disagree with and reject the assertion that this necessarily has to be a conspiracy against CPEC. Could it be so? Sure. But does it look likely to me? No. Is there sufficient evidence to claim an anti CPEC conspiracy? Absolutely not.

Na, I don't buy your argument, timing is the key here. And it says all.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

c) On the first part I agree, but ask yourself, our former PM, was his accountability dealt with quietly or was there a media circus? Ditto on Qazi Faez Isa..?

Former PM pants was taken down by forigen sources outside the judirictions of Pakistan and laid bare infront of the world. Yahan tu ghar ka bedi lanka dah raha hai.

Qazi Esa position is not of strategic importance nor concern the interests of state at strategic level.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Let him bring forth the proof of contacting Bajwa family.

Sure contact him yourself, I don’t know the guy. And if he did indeed contact them, you would drop the allegations of an anti CPEC conspiracy?

Former PM pants was taken down by forigen sources outside the judirictions of Pakistan and laid bare infront of the world. Yahan tu ghar ka bedi lanka dah raha hai.

Qazi Esa position is not of strategic importance nor concern the interests of state at strategic level.

So the PM can have a public display of accountability, but if Asim Bajwa has a similarly public display it’s a strategic misstep? Come on, that’s an obvious and inexplicable double standard.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Sure contact him yourself, I don’t know the guy. And if he did indeed contact them, you would drop the allegations of an anti CPEC conspiracy?

Why would I be asking him, I am not journalist, he is a self proclaimed one, let him bring forth, its part of his job. And why would I drop my stance?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

So the PM can have a public display of accountability, but if Asim Bajwa has a similarly public display it’s a strategic misstep? Come on, that’s an obvious and inexplicable double standard.

I think I was pretty clear in my reply. Not sure why you did not understand, or don't want to understand!?

 

[Jungibaaz]

Why would I be asking him, I am not journalist, he is a self proclaimed one, let him bring forth, its part of his job. And why would I drop my stance?

I asked because you had said that he should be made to prove that he contacted Bajwa before we take him seriously, as if this proof would be of paramount importance to you and your stance. Frankly, I'm not overly bothered whether he did or he didn't. He claims he has, and Bajwa hasn't claimed that he wasn't contacted before publishing as far as I'm aware.

I think I was pretty clear in my reply. Not sure why you did not understand, or don't want to understand!?

My point is, if you think Asim Bajwa is too strategically important to warrant public scrutiny, how is it that you would support public scrutiny for a sitting PM, but not someone lower in the governance hierarchy like Bajwa? If the PM and judges can be scrutinized, then so can Bajwa, he's no holy cow.

Part in bold, I wasn't asking as such, it was rhetorical, I was saying that your view seems to lacks internal logical integrity to me.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I asked because you had said that he should be made to prove that he contacted Bajwa before we take him seriously, as if this proof would be of paramount importance to you and your stance. Frankly, I'm not overly bothered whether he did or he didn't. He claims he has, and Bajwa hasn't claimed that he wasn't contacted before publishing as far as I'm aware.

Its a basic protocol of journalism. I understand that when he released this "revelation" , it was not mentioned that he contacted Bajwa family to tell their side of story?

My point is, if you think Asim Bajwa is too strategically important to warrant public scrutiny, how is it that you would support public scrutiny for a sitting PM, but not someone lower in the governance hierarchy like Bajwa? If the PM and judges can be scrutinized, then so can Bajwa, he's no holy cow.

Part in bold, I wasn't asking as such, it was rhetorical, I was saying that your view seems to lacks internal logical integrity to me.

Let me re-emphasis to you. Bajwa, as a person , is not important at all. the office he occupies is. And I can bet my mortage with you, that he is not the real target but the CPEC and all related activity around it is the main focus. Its only logical, infact its given, that once he is targeted, you will hear all the hew and cry about all ongoing CPEC and greater scrutiny, meaning pending or even scuttling the CPEC projects in the name of "transparency". I don't even want to spectacle the reaction of Chinese. I got a news for you, you beloved "ex PM" was allowed to go scot free recently on Chinese pressure this time, again related to CPEC projects. EX PM is a known crook, history and track record spanning decades. So lets not get into the comparison of apples and oranges here.

 

[Patriot forever]

no doubt pakistan is known for freedom of press , journalists are never lifted from cars for the tour of northern areas

They don't get lynched and killed. Btw most of these so called journalists are sponsored scholarships by our friendly neighbour to America and Europe. Besides how can they apply for asylum if they don't create the fake security concerns and write anti Pakistan comics.

Pakistan is very lenient in dealing with them.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Its a basic protocol of journalism. I understand that when he released this "revelation" , it was not mentioned that he contacted Bajwa family to tell their side of story?

He claimed he did, and the other party hasn't claimed that they weren't contacted.

Let me re-emphasis to you. Bajwa, as a person , is not important at all. the office he occupies is. And I can bet my mortage with you, that he is not the real target but the CPEC and all related activity around it is the main focus. Its only logical, infact its given, that once he is targeted, you will hear all the hew and cry about all ongoing CPEC and greater scrutiny, meaning pending or even scuttling the CPEC projects in the name of "transparency". I don't even want to spectacle the reaction of Chinese.

The scrutiny of CPEC won't be of CPEC itself but the recently created CPEC authority and in particular the CPEC authority ordinance which rightly deserves scrutiny. https://nation.com.pk/01-Jan-2020/cpec-authority-decisions-can-t-be-challenged-in-court

You can read the ordinance here: http://www.na.gov.pk/uploads/documents/1575477741_189.pdf
The 'problematic' articles to put it lightly are chapter iv, article 12, 17 and 22. Ironically article 6 is there to hold people like Bajwa to account.

While Bajwa is heading the CPEC authority, by law, even if there's clear cut examples of corruption against him, he is immune.

And also, you really haven't addressed my point, instead gone on a tangent explaining the importance of CPEC, for the nth time, I'm not disputing anything CPEC related here.

And as for spectacle, how can a man who has allegations of corruption against him, allegations which he has not disproven, be allowed to remain head of an authority with legal draconian immunity? That's the real travesty here..
His presence is what's damaging to CPEC right now. For get all this other diversionary and deflective rhetoric.

I got a news for you, you beloved "ex PM" was allowed to go scot free recently on Chinese pressure this time, again related to CPEC projects. EX PM is a known crook, history and track record spanning decades. So lets not get into the comparison of apples and oranges here.

So just to be clear, according to you.. accountability of a sitting PM is fine. But asking Bajwa for accountability is bad for the country? Come on.

 

[volatile]

Did Bajwa sb denied having BAJCO company ? what is the current share and wealth of Bajwa sb ? Where is the money came from ? till the time it is Indian Raw connection ??

 

[Taimoor Khan]

He claimed he did, and the other party hasn't claimed that they weren't contacted.

Did he make this claim with the intial release of his revelations or was it after thought? Its his part of the job to bring forth the proof of his claims regardless of any other party involved.

The scrutiny of CPEC won't be of CPEC itself but the recently created CPEC authority and in particular the CPEC authority ordinance which rightly deserves scrutiny. https://nation.com.pk/01-Jan-2020/cpec-authority-decisions-can-t-be-challenged-in-court

While Bajwa is heading the CPEC authority, by law, even if there's clear cut examples of corruption against him, he is immune.

And also, you really haven't addressed my point, instead gone on a tangent explaining the importance of CPEC, for the nth time, I'm not disputing anything CPEC related here.

And as for spectacle, how can a man who has allegations of corruption against him, allegations which he has not disproven, be allowed to remain head of an authority with legal draconian immunity? That's the real travesty here..

Non sense. You bring the office of CPEC authority into disrepute, you allow all the enemy nations to have field day afterwards.

These are all allegations, let Mr Noorani and gang go to courts and raise their racket in the court of law. Just like your beloved "Ex PM" was taken to the court and removed in legal way. If not proven in court of law, would the Noorni and his gang will offer their necks ?

So just to be clear, according to you.. accountability of a sitting PM is fine. But asking Bajwa for accountability is bad for the country? Come on.

Read my previous replies to you. You are losing track here.

 

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