Ahiska Turks in Ukraine

[LegionnairE]

@UkroTurk what are your thoughts on this?

 

[BordoEnes]

Its not only the closest to home but the region of Ardahan is a part of the historical Ahiska region.

I hope the Turkish goverment starts a program to resettle the Ahiska Turks back in Ardahan. Russia has a similair program where they offer Russians outside the motherland to return so it could counter the demographic crisis.

 

[Manidabest]

Very well said..

Turks in Anatolia should also consider going back to their home land and return the current Turkish (country) land to the Persians and Greeks. Below is the map of Anatolia from 500 BC.

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i didnt mean that u dumb.... what i said that scattered turks like crimean turks, ahiska turks, karalpakstan turks ( facing persecution in uzbekistan ), hazaras in afghanistan & pakistan ( shias but they are turk-mongol ppl ) they can make them in one bundle and ask kazakhs to spare a state or province in kazakhstan or ask kazakhstan to accept them in soo they can have turk homeland

 

[UkroTurk]

Ahiska Turks already had rights to immigration to Turkey. But they didnt have a rights citizenships.
They should respect to nation who created new Republic without them.

 

[T-123456]

Ahiska Turks already had rights to immigration to Turkey. But they didnt have a rights citizenships.
They should respect to nation who created new Republic without them.

It has nothing to do with respect,its the sense of belonging.
Why are they called Ahiska TURKS ,just for fun?
Almost every strong nation has programs to resettle their kin from abroad,we should have that to,make them feel wanted,cared for,have a home country.
Its not like we dont need them,our nation thrives on diversity,cultures,religion,traditions etc..

 

[UkroTurk]

Please remember that from 1800 to the1923 Turkish nation fighted how many times?
How many citizen lost in wars? Wars were being taken one hundered years against Russian Imperia, after First World War, after Indepence war against Greece.
How Our grand fathers and mother losngs.their money, health,houses, everything
Today Azerbaidjan doesnt give citizenship man who didnt serve in Army. A lot of Azerbaidjanes have RF, Ukraine passports but they havent Azerbaidjans citizenship. Because They didnt fight against Armenia and serve in army. Thats the rule.
In Turkey if man dont serve, even thought he can not give up citizenship. Men have to serve!

After the Crimiean war In 1800 Tatars had a choice to immigrate to th Ottoman Land. Some Tatars didnt want to leave their houses, fields,animals. They hadnt immigrate to Anatolia but after that Russians two time deportated them and took their houses, fields.
Tatars Who choice to live with Turks, Sultan gave the fields Istanbul, Catalca. This Tatars fighted with us against Russians, in WW1, Indepence wars. Nowadays they are very rich because their fields very expensive
Maybe Ahiskas ground father didnt want to immigrate to Ottoman Lands, They didnt want to give up houses,fields?
Who knows?
Turkiye'ye gelmeyenlere Rus'un hayati, kizlari, votkasi, peyniri , evleri, elektrigi, suyu tatli gelmis. Anadoluda fakirlik, Anadoluda garibanlik, Anadoluda cahil koyluler, Anadoluda Islam.

 

[LegionnairE]

@UkroTurk

I think you've got the history a bit wrong.
Ahıska Turks were a part of the Ottoman Empire till the very end IIRC

 

[UkroTurk]

I had written about Tatars then asked Maybe they didnt choice to Anatolia.
After the 1829 Russo-Turco wars problems were beginnig.
In 1829 Meskhetian Turks cities divided the two parts. 25 cities took Russia and others were taken by Ottoman Empire. Why They didnt go back Ottoman Empire?

End of the WW1,when Ottomans lost, they might be turn back to Anatolia? or not?
We have a historical fact: Russian occupations from 1800. Everybody knew that Russians were coming.! Occupation wasnt suddenly. Why didnt they escape to Anatolia? Also rezidents of Trabzon and Rize didnt escape to Anatolia, when Russian Imperia occupied east black sea region for a one year in WW1?

I am only thinking, i dont want to charge anybody.

 

[dadeechi]

i didnt mean that u dumb.... what i said that scattered turks like crimean turks, ahiska turks, karalpakstan turks ( facing persecution in uzbekistan ), hazaras in afghanistan & pakistan ( shias but they are turk-mongol ppl ) they can make them in one bundle and ask kazakhs to spare a state or province in kazakhstan or ask kazakhstan to accept them in soo they can have turk homeland

I think we are saying the same thing but you have omitted Anatolia which I think should be included in such plan.

 

[UkroTurk]

Meskhetian Turks are being called "Turks" in Azerbaidjan!
Miskhetian or Ahiska names created by Russians.
They were citizens of Ottoman Empire, They have a Anatolian culture, They are real Anatolian Turks.
Azerbaidjan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Krygizia different countries, different cultures, different historical contacts.

 

[Saithan]

I think the reason why we're using Ahiska and such is to be able to identify their location. Just like how you say Azerbaidjan and immediately know where it is located.

 

[UkroTurk]

But Azerbaidjanes call them "Turk".
Azerbaycanda bu Ahisklilari Turk diye cagiriyorlar.
Cografya ile alakasi yok demekki, hani biz hepimiz Turk degil miydik?
Uzbeks also call them "Turk".
Hatta Ozbekistanda Ozbeklerden tarafindan Ahiskalilara karsi buyuk bir saldiri olmustu.
Butun kaynaklarda Ozbek -Turk catismasi diye gecer.

 

[Saithan]

Galiba ingilizcen yetersiz. Turk turkdur, ama nereden geldiklerini bilebilmen icin ahiska turku dedin mi o zaman adamlarin hangi bölgeden geldigini daha iyi anlayabilirsin. Turkiyenin neresinden geldin sen ? Malatya mi ?, Van ?, Kastamonu ? turk oldugunu anladik, ama nereden geldiyorsun ?

Turkiyenin disindaki turklerden bahsedince, nereden geldikleri kucuk bir bilgi, adamlari kucumselemek veya yadirgamak icin sormuyoruz bunlari, bilgi edinmek icin soruyoruz (yarim yamalak turkcemle bu kadar yazabildim).

 

[UkroTurk]

Yes I should improve my English , but you didnt recognize the different.
Sen beni anlamadin. Turkcen gayet guzel.
Hepimiz Azerilerin, Ozbeklerin Turk olduklari iddiasindayiz ancak onlar kendi ulkelerindeki Ahiskalilara Turk diyorlar. Kendilerinden ayristiriyorlar. Sen Ozbekistan'da olsaydin sana Ozbekler Turk derdi. Turkiyeli demezdi.Cunku onlar kendilerini Turk hissetmiyorlar.Bunun gibi birsey.

 

[anatolia]

Yes I should improve my English , but you didnt recognize the different.
Sen beni anlamadin. Turkcen gayet guzel.
Hepimiz Azerilerin, Ozbeklerin Turk olduklari iddiasindayiz ancak onlar kendi ulkelerindeki Ahiskalilara Turk diyorlar. Kendilerinden ayristiriyorlar. Sen Ozbekistan'da olsaydin sana Ozbekler Turk derdi. Turkiyeli demezdi.Cunku onlar kendilerini Turk hissetmiyorlar.Bunun gibi birsey.

turan is bullshit as you said.they dont evwen consider themself turk but russian..