AH-1Z Viper, 1000 Hellfire II Missiles approved for sale to Pakistan.

[Sine Nomine]

Pakistan just only need one heavy lifter like Chinook or some other

Ch-47 and Mi 26 both have been evaluated and offered to PAA but there sortie cost is very high.

 

[Kompromat]

We have been requesting US Govt. for Zulu sales for at least last 5 years but always rejected and now when China and Russia competing closely to supply us the attack hello and we are about to start new era of good military relationship with Russia, suddenly out of nowhere US hops in.

WTF .... Pakistanis have u guys gone nuts. Use the top most part of your body before finalising the deal.

Calm down dude. The US Marines didn't get their delivery until this year which was a priority.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Trust me these are not CRAPS lol... man deadly as hell! ruk tu ja Pakistan is playing similar blackmailing game that US playing with Pakistan since long time... Pakistan nay jhadi dekhaye hey Mi35 aur Z10 ke.. saath he Amreekans ke phat gaye hey kay if Pakistan will get non-sanction US hardware.. tu Pakistan tu finger dekhayega abhe thora sa counter terror pe haath sakht kya hey tu hamain aankhain dekha rahay Pakistan lol... fully nikal gaya tu WAR GAYE AMREEKAN lol


Pakistan just only need one heavy lifter like Chinook or some other ... seriously DEADLY Army Aviation in the region.. we don't need Apache ... 50 + zulus are enugh to kick ***!

I highly doubt we are buying these toys brand new and even if we would have bought them new the maximum cost should be $465 million ($31 million each new multiply 15) the used cost $27 million each. So why we are paying $1 billion ? We are getting these toys but paying a way more price.But the interesting thing about these helicopters is that first they got launched in 2010 which shows they are the latest tech and secondly currently unites states marine corps is the only operator of these machines.So yes they are deadly and high tech compared to other in the market.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yes it will be a brilliant idea to explain why we are seeking so many helicopters, kids are confused.

What abt t-129 deal with turkey? Have we droppped tht idea completely? Would hve been a good idea to increase our defence cooperation with turkey....

 

[Rank]

Sir these are on Cards US seems to be trying to stop Z-10, look we needed them in start of OPS Zarb e Azab not after we are about to finish and Z-10 is matchless platform today it's radar and sound signature is lowest in it's kind.Mi 35 is meant for SOF.Ah-10 Yaldrum is going to form core of our fleet.PRC has asked if you place huge order then it's likely that we may have a production facility for Z-10.....My humble suggestion that we should avoid PRC nomenclature, for weapons instead we should name Z-10 Thunderbolt(AH-10 Yaldrum).

I highly doubt we are buying these toys brand new and even if we would have bought them new the maximum cost should be $465 million ($31 million each new multiply 15) the used cost $27 million each. So why we are paying $1 billion ? We are getting these toys but paying a way more price.But the interesting thing about these helicopters is that first they got launched in 2010 which shows they are the latest tech and secondly currently unites states marine corps is the only operator of these machines.So yes they are deadly and high tech compared to other in the market.

Inshort Amreekan baray Harami hain....

Pakistan request for zulu 5 years ago (15X initial) rejected by US. All of the sudden approved 15X sales becuz of fear of "Pakistan haath say nikal na jaye". I bet Pakistan even don't know that State. Dept will approve this request especially in current situation. Pakistan don't have 1 Billion separately for this... even U.S. will agree to sell these 15 even Pakistan show "No further interest in Zulu" the reason is pretty clear. Pakistan don't need 15X Helis... as far as my info, Pakistan need 30 + Attack helis to ensure security on both borders. This Mi 35 + 1 more attack heli is basically for balance of power on both borders. Now achanak 15X zulu, You will see soon Pakistan request for 15 + more after 15 approved ones arrive...

Remember one thing. Pakistan is the only country whom request of any army sales directly from Pentagon not with the government. Pakistan military has very strong relations with the U.S. Military.

Pakistan always request U.S. military about their needs. U.S. military establishment make a strong case and put in front of Government. If Pakistan will directly ask state department, they will never ever approve because our dynamics with U.S. are very different from other countries.

For Example, Indian government directly request for Apaches bt US/India Government to Government dialogue. Indian military never discuss such request first the the Pentagon.

 

[Kompromat]

Sir these are on Cards US seems to be trying to stop Z-10, look we needed them in start of OPS Zarb e Azab not after we are about to finish and Z-10 is matchless platform today it's radar and sound signature is lowest in it's kind.Mi 35 is meant for SOF.Ah-10 Yaldrum is going to form core of our fleet.PRC has asked if you place huge order then it's likely that we may have a production facility for Z-10.....My humble suggestion that we should avoid PRC nomenclature, for weapons instead we should name Z-10 Thunderbolt(AH-10 Yaldrum).

I have heard some talk about Z-10 order ranging between 50-70 units in the long term with local production, provided trials are successful.

What abt t-129 deal with turkey? Have we droppped tht idea completely? Would hve been a good idea to increase our defence cooperation with turkey....

If US is selling its Vipers then it means they refused to clear engines for T-129.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Calm down dude. The US Marines didn't get their delivery until this year which was a priority.

But sir US marines were not in any war as we were and also this seems lame excuse because when US desired it was able to produce 1 viper a day at Fort Worth, Texas Plant.

 

[subanday]

Having plethora of helicopter types is a headache for a country like us, just like israel is only using AH-64 now with cobras as secondary until they r decommissioned. WZ10, AH1z, MI35, ATAK129 .... matlab ye ho kya raha hay???

 

[Kompromat]

I highly doubt we are buying these toys brand new and even if we would have bought them new the maximum cost should be $465 million ($31 million each new multiply 15) the used cost $27 million each. So why we are paying $1 billion ? We are getting these toys but paying a way more price.But the interesting thing about these helicopters is that first they got launched in 2010 which shows they are the latest tech and secondly currently unites states marine corps is the only operator of these machines.So yes they are deadly and high tech compared to other in the market.

Its Not expensive if you consider 1000 hellfire Block II Missiles plus continued support and spares, training, lifecycle costs etc. Its all accounted for. $952 million is the total cost of those elements.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

I highly doubt we are buying these toys brand new and even if we would have bought them new the maximum cost should be $465 million ($31 million each new multiply 15) the used cost $27 million each. So why we are paying $1 billion ? We are getting these toys but paying a way more price.But the interesting thing about these helicopters is that first they got launched in 2010 which shows they are the latest tech and secondly currently unites states marine corps is the only operator of these machines.So yes they are deadly and high tech compared to other in the market.

these things we are getting in 1 Billion$

15 AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters
32 T-700 GE 401C Engines (30 installed and 2 spares)
1000 AGM-114 R Hellfire II Missiles in containers
36 H-1 Technical Refresh Mission computers
17 AN/AAQ-30 Target Sight Systems
30 629F-23 Ultra High Frequency/Very High Frequency Communication Systems
19 H-764 Embedded Global Positioning System/Inertial Navigation Systems
32 Helmet Mounted Display/Optimized Top Owl
17 APX-117A Identification Friend or Foe
17 AN/AAR-47 Missile Warning Systems
17 AN/ALE-47 Countermeasure Dispenser Sets
18 AN/APR-39C(V)2 Radar Warning Receivers
15 Joint Mission Planning Systems
17 M197 20mm Gun Systems.

 

[Kompromat]

But sir US marines were not in any war as we were and also this seems lame excuse because when US desired it was able to produce 1 viper a day at Fort Worth, Texas Plant.

Will you be willing to sell JF-17 Thunders BEFORE PAF fulfills its requirements ?

 

[Sine Nomine]

I have heard some talk about Z-10 order ranging between 50-70 units in the long term with local production, provided trials are successful.

Until know it has shown outstanding performance in Urban area last night it was flown in high cross winds,lightning and heavy rain+it was hovered for long time in that condition.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Here we go

At least a moderator should not act like fan boy or a juvenile. Sir! with all due respect you should do your research first .We are paying a out outrageous high price for something which does not worth it.Not just that we are also putting our newly developed good relations with russia in danger.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Will you be willing to sell JF-17 Thunders BEFORE PAF fulfills its requirements ?

They will if they get a considerable order and they are capable to do so.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Spend budget wisely for our needs

The second picture is of Cobra.

This is Zulu