AH-1Z Viper, 1000 Hellfire II Missiles approved for sale to Pakistan.

[Donatello]

Two things:

1- A moment of silence for the Indian girl asking Obama why Pakistan is not labelled a terrorist state:

2-Isn't this the biggest arms purchase from USA, by Pakistan, under the Obama government?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It's not sudden. The deal done in 2010.

The US declined the vipers at that time remember? (Reason: They were equipping their marine corps).

 

[araz]

US only sold pakistan the gunship becos China can provide WZ-10 gunship. If China never sell WZ-10 to PA. US will continue sanction PA equipment. I hope Pakistan can see the true color of US.

I dont think that is strictly true. I know the wrangling that goes on in the defence industry and the competition and more importantly the political influence that a deal of such nature brings to the fore. However, we have been hearing about the AH1Z since 2010 and the expected delivery /contract date was always going to be 2015.I know previously there have been problems but with the visit of General Raheel Shareef a lot of misunderstandings have been resolved and the US now has no excuse not to supply us with equipment which we need. To be honest you would be doing your intellect a disservice to suggest that Z10 is as good as the established AH series.
So the next question is where does Z10 stand in the scenario. I don't know whether the results of the trial would be favourable or bring our deficiencies which will need to be rectified. You have to understand that PAA will not buy Z10 till it is completely happy with it. All that has happened is that with the MI35s coming this year, the Zulus coming in 2-3 yrs it has given PAA and also our Chinese brothers time to further fortify and mature the growth of this platform as well as fuldill the Chinese need. I think provided PAA likes Z10 it will always use it to replace the AH1s which are getting very tired and cumbersome from the spares point of view.Unfortunately if there is a major deficiency which I think will not be the case either MI28 or T129 will step in. This not only gives us time to establish the platforms but also setup the infrastructure for the relevant platforms.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Weapons Capability
• AGM-114A, B, and C Hellfire and anti-tank missiles up to 16 total
• AGM-114F Hellfire anti-ship missiles – up to 16 total
• 70mm Rockets, 19 or 7 shot pods – up to 76 total
• AIM-9 Sidewinder (A superior supersonic air-to-air missile with infrared target detection for fire and forget capability.)
• LUU-2A/B nighttime illumination flare
• Mk 77 fire bombs
• 77 and 100 gallon external auxiliary fuel tanks
• 20 mm cannon (With a higher muzzle velocity and flatter trajectory for better accuracy, it is capable of handling M50-series rounds designed specifically for air-to-air combat)
• MK 76 practice bombs
• BDU-33D/B practice bombs
• MK 106 practice bombs

Survivability & Crashworthiness
Like no other attack helicopter in the world, the AH-1Z survives combat with an advanced countermeasure suite, which includes:

• AVR-2A Laser Warning Receiver
• APR-39A(v) 2 Radar Warning Receiver
• ALE-47 “Smart” Countermeasures Dispenser and
• AAR-47 Missile Warning Device.
...and the latest airframe technologies, such as:
• Energy attenuating crashworthy seats
• Energy-absorbing landing gear
• Self sealing fuel tanks and fuel systems
• Fuel vapor inerting systems
• Mass retention designs to ensure major components stay where they should in the event of a crash, and many other advanced features.

Modern Technology
The AH-1Z is a design for the 21st century. Produced to meet the stringent requirements of the USMC today – its aircraft design brings together proven AH-1W airframe reliability, a new composite four bladed rotor system and powerful T700-GE-401engines. With virtually identical front and rear cockpits, fully integrated weapons, avionics and communications systems the AH-1Z flies with the most advanced aircraft survivability equipment in the world. The AH-1Z is truly state-of-the-art.

Best Targeting System
Target identification is critical in the complex post-cold war and urban conflict environments. The AH-1Z Target Sight System (TSS) incorporates a third-generation FLIR and currently provides the longest range, lowest jitter and highest weapons' accuracy possible of any helicopter sight in the world. In addition, the completely passive and automatic system scans the battlefield without emitting trackable radar, positively identifying and tracking multiple targets at ranges beyond the maximum range of its weapons system.

Helmet Mounted Sight and Display System
The "Top Owl" Helmet Mounted Sight and Display (HMS/D) system supports improved communication and reduced cockpit workload. Manufactured by THALES Avionics, the Top Owl HMS/D is the most technically advanced helmet available. Upgradeable "in-service" and as additional requirements develop, it combines both avionics function with the aircrew life support and protection into a single unit.

Maintenance
Designed for lower maintenance, with the helicopter mechanic in mind, the AH-1Z is one of the most reliable aircraft made. Maintenance features of the AH-1Z include:

• Fault detection sensors that facilitate “on-condition” maintenance
• Interactive Electronic Technical Manuals
• Better accessibility
• Elimination of certain maintenance tasks
• Less maintenance man hours per flight hour
• Less spares storage requirement

Modern Cockpit
Identical front and rear cockpits provide the true ability to fly and fight from either cockpit, so there's no need to have separate training programs for front or back seaters.

The Hands on Collective and Stick (HOCAS) side-stick architecture, allows pilot function without removing hands from the collective flight controls. Color displays are large, multifunctional and combined with the moving-map technology. Helmet mounted displays provide all the information required to engage the enemy more quickly and accurately.

H1 Program Commonality
Shared dynamics and nearly identical cockpits vastly reduces the logistical tail, procurement and training costs required to support a large fleet of mixed type aircraft. The AH-1Z and UH-1Y have 84% commonality with identical components.

Just as the AH-1W is being rebuilt and redesigned into the AH-1Z, the US Marine Corps Huey helicopters are being rebuilt and redesigned as well. The traditional reliability of the Huey series now contributes to the outstanding performance, state-of-the-art dynamics and avionics of the H1 Program.

 

[SipahSalar]

No it wasn't....it was refused back then.....and then shyt went south after 2011....

The US declined the vipers at that time remember? (Reason: They were equipping their marine corps).

Islamabad: In a move that is likely to raise temperatures across the border, the US has delivered a squadron of 14 AH-1 Cobra advanced helicopter gunships to Pakistan.

The US has also given $750,000 to update Pakistan Army Aviation's current fleet of Cobra variants like AH-1S, AH-1F.
Pakistan has also been assured it would receive the latest AH-1Z variant in phases by 2015, the sources added.
The AH-1 has been supplied by the US America from its Jordan Air Base stock.
US delivers Cobra helicopter gunships to Pakistan

When was this article published? 2010. What date did they say? 2015. Which version? AH-1Z. What year is this? 2015. Which helicopter are we getting? AH-1Z.
Now you guys are smart, you don't need me to do 2+2.

 

[Arsalan]

Sir you think playing with Russians, Chinese, Turkish and Americans was just to get the best deal?

Well i do not want to sound pessimistic but i wont celebrate this play till it is over and is in our favor. Our foreign policy is not as strong as other countries. We do not usually play out these situations well so can’t say until it’s over. We have had our fair share of opportunities to cash on but we often make nothing out of it (although we also have a few examples where we did achieved something)

 

[Mughal-Prince]

helicopter helicopters everywhere

love to see hellfire missiles in pakistani hands

Yaar Imran saray freak out ho rahay hain en ko sumjhao bhai Yeh Imdad main mil jayen gay free free free ... And Z-10 is not going any where neither ATAK we will see it soon we will gonna over whelmed with systems availability .

1Z will be bought off the shelf where as ATAK will be with full TOT and then Z-10 will be progressed into an Apache like gunship in few years. So all the systems seems to be complementing each other ...
Kisi ki maiyya marnay wali hai yeh khaber parh ker ROFL

 

[araz]

i would perfer to work with chinese with the Z-10 for the time being at least getting into helicopter maker and tranfer for technology and would enhance Pakistan capability.getting any coper is important as Pakistan is going self reliance which will help it grow its defence industry.

This deal does not stop anything. I think once the platform is mature PAA will certainly acquire it. This just gives us the breathing space that we need.
Araz

 

[General General]

Is it just me or are most comments here overlooking the fact that along with the 15 gunships, Pakistan is getting 30+ engines for these helos,
1000 latest R varient of Hellfire missiles,
a number of sophisticated intelligent communication equipment,
30+ helmet mounted displays,
technical documentation related to the gunships and their maintenance,
technical training and several years of support,
tools required to carry out the maintenance.

The full list is provided in this post.
I think $1 billion is a reasonable amount for this equipment. Especially since it would provide Pakistan and possibly China important technical exposure to the U.S.'s most advanced gunship.
I know in the history of Pakistani and U.S. arms dealings are patchy and unreliable, but with all these spares and training, the PAA would able to keep these gunships operational for 15+ years even if the U.S. implemented sanctions on Pakistan immediately after the purchase. A combination of the AH-1Z, the Z-10 and the Mi-35 compliment different roles.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Things that are missing from the list are.


AN/APG-78 Longbow Fire Control Radar & APKWS missiles (an improved hydra which can work as the poor man's hellfire...works great against any of the light armored targets.)

 

[Arsalan]

Realistically speaking .. We should go for Vipers aswell as upgraded Z-10s (Gives us a lot of flexibility - options for upgradation etc) !

Screw the MI-35s.... T-129 is a dead deal.

Mi-35 is a totally different machine for a completely different intended role. Frankly, nothing comes close to Mi-35 for that particular role. There ability to carry troops in and out of battle field and provide them with air support that competes with that of any other attack helicopter. Comparing fire power the Mi-35 are as good as any other platform and the ability to carry troops is a plus. These if inducted will be the work horse of SGS airborne troops.

 

[abbasalai]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1429136480732027

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

IF true then 15 Ah1Z + 20-30 Mi35 + Possibly 50 Z10 would be a brilliant collection of choppers serving different roles from COIN to tank busting missions.

 

[araz]

I hardly doubt that cobras will be upgraded I think they will be retired

Zarvan
Yar eventually they will, but between that and now(and frankly they will go 0on for another 3-5 yrs), do we use hellfire on them or not, this is the question that I asked
Araz

 

[cabatli_53]

Defense Security Cooperation Agency







ASHINGTON, Apr 6, 2015 – The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan for AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters and AGM-114R Hellfire II Missiles and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $952 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 15 AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters, 32 T-700 GE 401C Engines (30 installed and 2 spares), 1000 AGM-114 R Hellfire II Missiles in containers, 36 H-1 Technical Refresh Mission computers, 17 AN/AAQ-30 Target Sight Systems, 30 629F-23 Ultra High Frequency/Very High Frequency Communication Systems, 19 H-764 Embedded Global Positioning System/Inertial Navigation Systems, 32 Helmet Mounted Display/Optimized Top Owl, 17 APX-117A Identification Friend or Foe, 17 AN/AAR-47 Missile Warning Systems, 17 AN/ALE-47 Countermeasure Dispenser Sets, 18 AN/APR-39C(V)2 Radar Warning Receivers, 15 Joint Mission Planning Systems, and 17 M197 20mm Gun Systems. Also included are system integration and testing, software development and integration, aircraft ferry, support equipment, spare and repair parts, tools and test equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated cost is $952 million.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a country vital to U.S. foreign policy and national security goals in South Asia.

This proposed sale of helicopters and weapon systems will provide Pakistan with military capabilities in support of its counterterrorism and counter-insurgency operations in South Asia.

This proposed sale will provide Pakistan with a precision strike, enhanced survivability aircraft that it can operate at high-altitudes. By acquiring this capability, Pakistan will enhance its ability to conduct operations in North Waziristan Agency (NWA), the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), and other remote and mountainous areas in all-weather, day-and-night environments. Pakistan will have no difficulty absorbing these helicopters into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractors will be Bell Helicopter, Textron in Fort Worth, Texas; General Electric in Lynn, Massachusetts; The Boeing Company in Huntsville, Alabama; and Lockheed Martin in Bethesda, Maryland. There are no known offset agreements proposed in conjunction with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips by U.S. Government and contractor representatives to participate in program and technical reviews, as well as training and maintenance support in country for a period of 66 months. It will also require three contractor representatives to reside in country for a period of three years to support this program.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

All questions regarding this proposed Foreign Military Sale should be directed to the State Department's Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs, pm-cpa@state.gov.

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its great official sir jee
Pakistan - AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters and AGM-114R Hellfire II Missiles | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency



here is PDF file
http://www.dsca.mil/sites/default/files/mas/pakistan_15-05.pdf

OMG, If DSCA is revealed, It means Bell Textron took permission for export. After this period, It is about Pakistani selection among Atak, AH-1Z. That's the actual reason USA moaning regarding exportation of T129 Atak engines to Pakistan... AH-1Z is an increadible helicopter that rare copters can cope with. Its 3rd generation thermals along with three barrel 20mm cannon will be more than enough to send terrorists into stoneage...

Important points are; DSCA paper is about taking permission from congress for a likely export. If Bell needs to do it, It means There is a serious concern from Pakistani side to order an attack copter (One of Atak, AH-1Z, Apache, Z-10) and Bell is seriously interested in exporting own copters so completed bureaucratic procedures quickly.

DSCA paper doesn't mean Pakistan choosed AH-1Z. It just reflects an ongoing progress to acquire a certain attack copter in following months/years. The price and amount of copters to be issued on DSCA papers doesn't reflect the truths. The papers aims an avarage calculation of money for an aproximately requested copter+ missile. When serious negotiations are commenced on signiture phase, The price can be rapidly decreased with bargains in accordance with costumer requests. That's How USA institutes work...