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Again Turkey stand for Pakistan and Thank you

Well you can not trace the outcome from the website, i have searced for. Ther is no KSA as member but GCC. So the whole GCC have voted against Pakistan.
Yes it's GCC (Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates) , But we don't know how it works, since they've got 1 vote for the all block, therefore there is mostly a "majority" vote. and they don't say who among them, was for or against.

Full 37 Members. (Only Turkey voted for Pakistan)

Argentina
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Canada
China
Denmark
European Commission
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Gulf Co-operation Council
Hong Kong, China
Iceland
India
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Republic of Korea
Luxembourg
Malaysia
Mexico
Netherlands, Kingdom of
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Russian Federation
Singapore
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
United Kingdom
United States
 
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Please don't compare the Ataturk to Jinnah, people say Ataturk was an atheist or irreligious.
Ataturk's idea in the structuring of the religion is, Maturidism. Which is a school of theology within Sunni Islam. Please do not be deceived by Wahhabi propaganda.

He had unorthodox views, yes, but he was the first to force a Turkish translation of the Quran.

No, not the first one. The Turkish language is a tale of thousands of years. There are dozens of commentaries written in different alphabets.

But the first printed Turkish-Latin Alphabet Tafsir's expenses paid by Atatürk. (For the Presidency of Religion of the new republic) As far as I know, Elmalili hodja did not accept the money and donated to charity.

Atatürk's 7 conditions for the new Tafsir were these.

1-Relations between verses will be shown.

2-The reasons for the descent of the verses will be recorded.

3- Information about the kiraat will be given.

4-Where necessary, words and phrases will be made to explain the language.

5-In accordance with the religious tradition, legal, moral and moral provisions contained in the verses to adhere to the Hanafi sect will be explained. Information about the scientific and philosophical issues to which the verses are implied and marked. In particular, the verses which bear the nature of admonition and admonition containing the theme of tawheed will be widely explained. The events of Islamic history, which have direct or indirect interest in the subject, will be narrated.

6-At the points where Western authors make mistakes, necessary explanations will be made to attract reader's attention.

7- A writer's account (preface) describing the truth of the Qur'an and explaining some important issues related to the Qur'an will be written.

Because of these features, Elmalili Hodja's Tafsir is a very successful resource.
 
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Ataturk's idea in the structuring of the religion is, Maturidism. Which is a school of theology within Sunni Islam. Please do not be deceived by Wahhabi propaganda.



No, not the first one. The Turkish language is a tale of thousands of years. There are dozens of commentaries written in different alphabets.

But the first printed Turkish-Latin Alphabet Tafsir's expenses paid by Atatürk. (For the Presidency of Religion of the new republic) As far as I know, Elmalili hodja did not accept the money and donated to charity.

Atatürk's 7 conditions for the new Tafsir were these.

1-Relations between verses will be shown.

2-The reasons for the descent of the verses will be recorded.

3- Information about the kiraat will be given.

4-Where necessary, words and phrases will be made to explain the language.

5-In accordance with the religious tradition, legal, moral and moral provisions contained in the verses to adhere to the Hanafi sect will be explained. Information about the scientific and philosophical issues to which the verses are implied and marked. In particular, the verses which bear the nature of admonition and admonition containing the theme of tawheed will be widely explained. The events of Islamic history, which have direct or indirect interest in the subject, will be narrated.

6-At the points where Western authors make mistakes, necessary explanations will be made to attract reader's attention.

7- A writer's account (preface) describing the truth of the Qur'an and explaining some important issues related to the Qur'an will be written.

Because of these features, Elmalili Hodja's Tafsir is a very successful resource.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not wahhabi it is Salafis.

Ataturk is responsible for changing the script, forced secularism of the country and he was an alcoholic.

How was the man a Muslim when many people consider Ataturk to be an atheist?

Why should Muslims accept the secularism from Europe? LOL!
 
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Yes it's GCC (Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates) , But we don't know how it works, since they've got 1 vote for the all block, therefore there is mostly a "majority" vote. and they don't say who among them, was for or against.

Full 37 Members. (Only Turkey voted for Pakistan)

Argentina
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Canada
China
Denmark
European Commission
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Gulf Co-operation Council
Hong Kong, China
Iceland
India
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Republic of Korea
Luxembourg
Malaysia
Mexico
Netherlands, Kingdom of
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Russian Federation
Singapore
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
United Kingdom
United States

Even if Pakistan and Turkey are the only two countries which believe in the Muslim Ummah, then we must embrace this reality.

When Nabi saws were in Makkah with a handful of followers, they were the Muslim Ummah even without a state and facing persecution.

Questions

Why did Malaysia not support Pakistan? Is Malaysia an India supporter?

What about for Russia? Also China cannot force Hong Kong to be another vote?

Ataturk's idea in the structuring of the religion is, Maturidism. Which is a school of theology within Sunni Islam. Please do not be deceived by Wahhabi propaganda.



No, not the first one. The Turkish language is a tale of thousands of years. There are dozens of commentaries written in different alphabets.

But the first printed Turkish-Latin Alphabet Tafsir's expenses paid by Atatürk. (For the Presidency of Religion of the new republic) As far as I know, Elmalili hodja did not accept the money and donated to charity.

Atatürk's 7 conditions for the new Tafsir were these.

1-Relations between verses will be shown.

2-The reasons for the descent of the verses will be recorded.

3- Information about the kiraat will be given.

4-Where necessary, words and phrases will be made to explain the language.

5-In accordance with the religious tradition, legal, moral and moral provisions contained in the verses to adhere to the Hanafi sect will be explained. Information about the scientific and philosophical issues to which the verses are implied and marked. In particular, the verses which bear the nature of admonition and admonition containing the theme of tawheed will be widely explained. The events of Islamic history, which have direct or indirect interest in the subject, will be narrated.

6-At the points where Western authors make mistakes, necessary explanations will be made to attract reader's attention.

7- A writer's account (preface) describing the truth of the Qur'an and explaining some important issues related to the Qur'an will be written.

Because of these features, Elmalili Hodja's Tafsir is a very successful resource.

Yes, I meant printed but forgot to write it. Good catch.
 
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KSA linked to 911 and they are free .... woooow just woooooooooooooow and wooooooooooooooooow

Linked by who? PDF users and Iranian Mullah apologists?

US courts (several and years ago and more recently) all concluded that KSA had no connection to the 9/11. Other than 15 nationals (most of Yemeni origins and from Southern KSA) acting on their own in a third country.


Using that logic Pakistan should be guilty for numerous terrorist attacks in the West (7 July 2005 London Bombings) etc. and outside of it.

Let us just play with the thought for the sake of it and for having a bit of fun (after all this is PDF). KSA being behind 9/11 (most deadly attack on US soil in history - quite an achievement, even a bigger undisputed world superpower back in 2001), do you really, as in really, believe, that the US would not have acted against KSA (as in state ruled by the House of Saud) ages ago?:cheesy:

BTW, KSA was represented by the GCC in this vote (represented by 6 countries with equal votes) so it means nothing. Only Turkey voted for you (a meaningless vote) when everyone else voted against or refrained from voting. Maybe there is something about the accusations?

It's not like Pakistan did not choose to remain neutral (basically voted no) against even a symbolic participation in the Yemen war 3 years ago.

With that in mind, I don't see any reason for singling out KSA/GCC. Not like the benefits in the relationship are bigger for KSA/GCC either. The remittances that Pakistani nationals send back to Pakistan from the GCC is a way bigger number than KSA/GCC exports to Pakistan. Thus you are in the positive/plus in this relationship. It's actually the GCC that should be angry as Pakistan is bad (economic) business for the GCC leaders. Those are hard cold facts if we remove all feelings and non-existent brotherly ties when dealing with NATION STATES whose entire survival depends on doing whatever suits them the most.


Don't give me some useless comment about 1000 Pakistani soldiers/trainers (who would matter jackshit in a conflict, as proven in the Gulf War) being stationed in KSA, when KSA has cordial military ties with all world powers (literary) and most of the Arab world (500 million people, almost 3 Pakistan's) and an national military composed of almost 500.000 soldiers/national guards. Or some imaginary story of Pakistan founding KSA's army when KSA was already training with European powers (google the Saudi Arabian Air Force Wikipedia page and take a look at the photo that shows Saudi Arabian pilots training with Italian counterparts in the 1930's, almost 15-20 years PRIOR to the existence of Pakistan to mention 1 single example).


"The Saudi pilots training in Italy 1935"—a scene from 'Our Eagles', one of four video wall shows made for the Royal Saudi Air Force Museum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Saudi_Air_Force

Those countries are part of American, Israeli, or Indian Ummah.

Like Pakistan is part of the "American Ummah" when it suits it, the "Chinese Ummah" when it suits it, the "British Ummah" or the "Iranian Ummah" when it suits it.:lol: Probably other examples could be used.

Go ask the Afghans or Bangladeshis what they think about the "Pakistani Ummah" for instance. We can play the same game about you. Don't act holy and try to deal with the facts written in this post before barking.
 
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Even if Pakistan and Turkey are the only two countries which believe in the Muslim Ummah, then we must embrace this reality.

When Nabi saws were in Makkah with a handful of followers, they were the Muslim Ummah even without a state and facing persecution.

Questions

Why did Malaysia not support Pakistan? Is Malaysia an India supporter?

What about for Russia? Also China cannot force Hong Kong to be another vote?

There is no "Ummah" in Biz and Politics.
 
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So what does Prophet Muhammad saws mean by ‘Ummah’ when he taught us about it? Who is he referring to in the afterlife when he saws ‘Ummati Ummati?’
When Islam and Muslims prevail upon "Corruption" among themselves...

You can't wish or ask for Ummah when every Muslim country do not have an exemplary leader... who abide by the Teaching of Islam.
And that "Leader" is the Mirror of that same country... If per exemple he's corrupt... The people of that nation is also corrupt and so on...
 
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When Islam and Muslims prevail upon "Corruption" among themselves...

You can't wish or ask for Ummah when every Muslim country do not have an exemplary leader... who abide by the Teaching of Islam.
And that "Leader" is the Mirror of that same country... If per exemple he's corrupt... The people of that nation is also corrupt and so on...

We can agree to disagree, brother.

My belief is that Ummah (already a popular concept among Muslims) will lead to Khilafat. We need to get back to a position of unity and strength.

Unite with those who agree with the need for cohesion and eliminate the poisons from those who can be saved among race supremacists, sectarian bigots, and ethnic chauvinists.
 
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Linked by who? PDF users and Iranian Mullah apologists?

US courts (several and years ago and more recently) all concluded that KSA had no connection to the 9/11. Other than 15 nationals (most of Yemeni origins and from Southern KSA) acting on their own in a third country.


Using that logic Pakistan should be guilty for numerous terrorist attacks in the West (7 July 2005 London Bombings) etc. and outside of it.

Let us just play with the thought for the sake of it and for having a bit of fun (after all this is PDF). KSA being behind 9/11 (most deadly attack on US soil in history - quite an achievement, even a bigger undisputed world superpower back in 2001), do you really, as in really, believe, that the US would not have acted against KSA (as in state ruled by the House of Saud) ages ago?:cheesy:

BTW, KSA was represented by the GCC in this vote (represented by 6 countries with equal votes) so it means nothing. Only Turkey voted for you (a meaningless vote) when everyone else voted against or refrained from voting. Maybe there is something about the accusations?

It's not like Pakistan did not choose to remain neutral (basically voted no) against even a symbolic participation in the Yemen war 3 years ago.

With that in mind, I don't see any reason for singling out KSA/GCC. Not like the benefits in the relationship are bigger for KSA/GCC either. The remittances that Pakistani nationals send back to Pakistan from the GCC is a way bigger number than KSA/GCC exports to Pakistan. Thus you are in the positive/plus in this relationship. It's actually the GCC that should be angry as Pakistan is bad (economic) business for the GCC leaders. Those are hard cold facts if we remove all feelings and non-existent brotherly ties when dealing with NATION STATES whose entire survival depends on doing whatever suits them the most.


Don't give me some useless comment about 1000 Pakistani soldiers/trainers (who would matter jackshit in a conflict, as proven in the Gulf War) being stationed in KSA, when KSA has cordial military ties with all world powers (literary) and most of the Arab world (500 million people, almost 3 Pakistan's) and an national military composed of almost 500.000 soldiers/national guards. Or some imaginary story of Pakistan founding KSA's army when KSA was already training with European powers (google the Saudi Arabian Air Force Wikipedia page and take a look at the photo that shows Saudi Arabian pilots training with Italian counterparts in the 1930's, almost 15-20 years PRIOR to the existence of Pakistan to mention 1 single example).


"The Saudi pilots training in Italy 1935"—a scene from 'Our Eagles', one of four video wall shows made for the Royal Saudi Air Force Museum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Saudi_Air_Force



Like Pakistan is part of the "American Ummah" when it suits it, the "Chinese Ummah" when it suits it, the "British Ummah" or the "Iranian Ummah" when it suits it.:lol: Probably other examples could be used.

Go ask the Afghans or Bangladeshis what they think about the "Pakistani Ummah" for instance. We can play the same game about you. Don't act holy and try to deal with the facts written in this post before barking.
By then, Washington had convinced Riyadh to give up its support to Pakistan in return for a full FATF membership. This left only two – China and Turkey – in the Pakistan camp, one less than the required number of three members to stall a move.



Judge rejects Saudi Arabia's attempt to toss 9/11 lawsuits


And this holy alliance for the king.
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Also , Pakistani work and earn that money. But , your country has more Indian and Bangladeshi then Pakistani.

You sold your friend for FATF membership ....
 
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Well need you ask. All the pious Muslim countries will have supported Pakistan -

Saudia Arabia
UAE
Oman
Kuwait
Afghanistan
Bahrain
etc

*was going to include Iran but found out they have themselves been jacked.
*Turkey not on list as it is secular and not pious.
What choice did they have, they weren't gonna side with a shirk country like India amirite?
Jokes aside, if this doesn't convince Pakistanis on how far religion will go when it's your neck on the line, I don't know what will.
 
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Thanks for FATF support, when all friends of Pakistan left us in the time of need.
china , tutkey
and the Saudi-Arabia-l
led Gulf Cooperation Council as a single bloc voted against the move to put Pakistan on FATF’s terror watchlist.

can you povide a credible source which states that turkey vote for pakistan
 
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What choice did they have, they weren't gonna side with a shirk country like India amirite?
Jokes aside, if this doesn't convince Pakistanis on how far religion will go when it's your neck on the line, I don't know what will.
Its slow process, Pakistani govt is striving hard to control those elements . This disease came with First Afghan war, it will take time to disappear . But it seems intentions are clear, bargaining chip from someone else for something else

What choice did they have, they weren't gonna side with a shirk country like India amirite?
Jokes aside, if this doesn't convince Pakistanis on how far religion will go when it's your neck on the line, I don't know what will.
This grey list not going to affect on foreign banking , its extra steps in foreign transaction. But, that can be abolish , If KSA, China and Turkey oppose US move.
But,

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By then, Washington had convinced Riyadh to give up its support to Pakistan in return for a full FATF membership. This left only two – China and Turkey – in the Pakistan camp, one less than the required number of three members to stall a move.


At this stage, the Chinese informed Islamabad that they were opting out as they did not want to “lose face by supporting a move that’s doomed to fail”, an official source had told Dawn.


Pakistan appreciated the Chinese position and conveyed its gratitude to Turkey for continuing to support Islamabad against all odds,” the source added
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A 37-nation FATF plenary held its first meeting on Pakistan in February where China, Turkey and Saudi Arabia opposed the United States-led move to place Pakistan on the watchlist. But the US pushed for an unprecedented second discussion on Pakistan, held on February 22.

By then, Washington had convinced Riyadh to give up its support to Pakistan in return for a full FATF membership. This left only two – China and Turkey – in the Pakistan camp, one less than the required number of three members to stall a move.

At this stage, the Chinese informed Islamabad that they were opting out as they did not want to “lose face by supporting a move that’s doomed to fail”, an official source had told Dawn.

Pakistan appreciated the Chinese position and conveyed its gratitude to Turkey for continuing to support Islamabad against all odds,” the source added.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1416630

After Saudis opted out, China's support became meaningless.
A 37-nation FATF plenary held its first meeting on Pakistan in February where China, Turkey and Saudi Arabia opposed the United States-led move to place Pakistan on the watchlist. But the US pushed for an unprecedented second discussion on Pakistan, held on February 22.

By then, Washington had convinced Riyadh to give up its support to Pakistan in return for a full FATF membership. This left only two – China and Turkey – in the Pakistan camp, one less than the required number of three members to stall a move.

At this stage, the Chinese informed Islamabad that they were opting out as they did not want to “lose face by supporting a move that’s doomed to fail”, an official source had told Dawn.

Pakistan appreciated the Chinese position and conveyed its gratitude to Turkey for continuing to support Islamabad against all odds,” the source added.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1416630

After Saudis opted out, China's support became meaningless.

this is feb 22 article you are quoting....
voting took place at 28 june...

turkey do not vote for pakistan....
can you provide a credible source to back your claim that they vote for pakistan...

only turkey.

wrong....
turkey do not vote for pakistan...
the man opened this thread got excited by reading a 4 month old article...
 
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not wahhabi it is Salafis.

Ataturk is responsible for changing the script, forced secularism of the country and he was an alcoholic.

How was the man a Muslim when many people consider Ataturk to be an atheist?

Why should Muslims accept the secularism from Europe? LOL!
Whats so bad in changing the script? Is Arabic holy or something?
 
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