Aga Khan Speaks Out As Pakistan's Ismaili Shiites Reel From First Major Attack Against Community

[liontk]

Dear Sir instead of condemning act members giving surprisingly unjustified and up to some extent childish remarks. Without induldging into sectarian b.s we should condemn that so many peaceful Pak people have died today, we should offer our condolences instead of cursing Country, Govt or sects without proofs. All Pakistanis are facing terrorism whether Wahabi, Deobandi, Christians etc.

But I shall dare to ask question can UK Govt offer 100% security to it's citizens if facing neumrous enemies and large number of internal traitors.
The current TTP terrorists are getting full support of western powers just like Balochi separatists residing in UK. This claim can be counter verified by any well informed person. The type of Ammo used and training level of these terrorists is not less then any commando force of the world, even Afghan Mujahdeen were not so well trained.
(Ismailis shall be last to be labelled Shia agents as centuries back they were expelled by radical shias from Iran)

It is natural that due to your beliefs u are considered enemies or some times some acts put u in trouble that has happened in many instance but now ordinary people of Pak are becoming more peaceful and tolerant to others.

(Even in Germany,UK and Australia Muslims usually get visas with great difficulty meanwhile one minority of Pak is free to get nationality of any named Euorpean country and even of Israel) Even in near past many Muslims were attacked and brutally killed in Germany but enough efforts have not been made to stop violence against Muslims.

Islamophobia is a growing problem and one that i will not deny especially in the light of the recent Chapel hill shooting. However there is some sense social stability and rule of law that is established in North America that the world envy. Now i am not claiming that Canada is perfect but what i am saying is that it is almost idiotic to compare the west to say Pakistan in an attempt to elevate Pakistan's situation because once again its like comparing apples to oranges.

As far as your second point is concerned, the ismaili folks are central to the development of pakistan and are a community that have contributed in education, hospitals and other institutions that are used by all Pakistanis free of charge.
Earth Home Project: Building Homes in Pakistan | Ismailimail
Social activist from Chitral galvanises youth around the world | The Ismaili
Aga Khan University Hospitals

Also as far as your concern about the muslim community, we are prospering more than ever and i have a past thread on the Islamic museum that has been established in Toronto to promote the rich Islamic culture.
North America’s first Islamic art museum to open in Toronto

 

[Shamain]

Lolz. Liked it.

 

[Hyperion]

I thought you might!

The irony in my initial post on this thread..... I wish you could decipher it all.........

Lolz. Liked it.

 

[Areesh]

@Akheilos

Do check this thread, read my posts and tell me if I have said something wrong or I supported TTP or any other organization.

 

[chauvunist]

You are an extremist in yourself. You can't tolerate difference of opinion and here you are preaching about rights of minorities. Pehlai khud to theek karlo munnai. TTP ka rona baad main rona.

Now coming to your post. Show me two things:

1 Where I was being apologetic for sectarian outfits
2 Where I said all terrorists shouldn't be eliminated,

Bold part is an oxymoron by the way.

Iranian's devotees are just like Persian members on this forum,the moment you disagree with them,you are wahabi/takfiri/terrorist and God knows what other's term that I don't remember...These kinda members used sLang language and used terms like wahabi at first but now the regular hurling of words like deobandi in addition to wahabi means that they are gonna put their cannon's aim at using sunni word equivalent to terrorist in every of their arguement...

 

[Areesh]

Iranian's devotees are just like Persian members on this forum,the moment you disagree with them,you are wahabi/takfiri/terrorist and God knows what other's term that I don't remember...These kinda members used sLang language and used terms like wahabi at first but now the regular hurling of words like deobandi in addition to wahabi means that they are gonna put their cannon's aim at using sunny word equivalent to terrorist in every of their arguement...

And then they say We don't want to spread hatred against any sect.

 

[longewala]

They were one of the main backers of pakistan - the land of the pure, where the large hindu and Sikh minorities would ve murdered or driven away.

Turns out they themselves were one of the "impurities" after all, unfortunately. And ironically. What goes around.....

 

[liontk]

All of them have the same objective. TTP, LeJ, ISIS, Jundullah, LeI, JUH etc etc

Let me rephrase the question for you. Will the sectarian organizations like Lej or Jundullah lay down weapons and quit violence once all the shias/ismailis/Christians leave Pakistan?

Again answer in yes or no would be good.

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Its too easy to simply say a yes or no for such a complex issue as such since the pre-requisite to their objectives involve eliminating minorities and so I would disagree in one sense with you. However on the other hand, they will still go after their political objective once these minorities leave. So it is difficult to simply give you a plain yes or no in laymen's term but i do think that minorities should leave pakistan for some time until the conflict is resolved and terrorist/wahabi affliates are eliminated

 

[Dubious]

@Akheilos

Do check this thread, read my posts and tell me if I have said something wrong or I supported TTP or any other organization.

You didnt I try to stay away from such threads because in all honesty, I hate both sects....Shia and Sunni...I myself consider myself a Muslim and never was told that there are different sects....So all this BS and minority card, ignorance to the level that majority dont die or have NEVER suffered really hurts!

 

[Hyperion]

Iranians are no different than the Saudi's, different sides of the same khotay sikkay. It's just about who has more blood on their hands. If you go with that logic, the Saudi supported Takfiris are winning hands down right now!

Iranian's devotees are just like Persian members on this forum,the moment you disagree with them,you are wahabi/takfiri/terrorist and God knows what other's term that I don't remember...These kinda members used sLang language and used terms like wahabi at first but now the regular hurling of words like deobandi in addition to wahabi means that they are gonna put their cannon's aim at using sunny word equivalent to terrorist in every of their arguement...

 

[Areesh]

Its too easy to simply say a yes or no for such a complex issue as such since the pre-requisite to their objectives involve eliminating minorities and so I would disagree in one sense with you. However on the other hand, they will still go after their political objective once these minorities leave. So it is difficult to simply give you a plain yes or no in laymen's term but i do think that minorities should leave pakistan for some time until the conflict is resolved and terrorist/wahabi affliates are eliminated

Bold part says it all. You indirectly agreed with me.

Anyways I respect your opinion about leaving Pakistan and all that.

 

[chauvunist]

And then they say We don't want to spread hatred against any sect.

Common Pakistani be it sunni or Shia or any minority live peacefully together and share sorrows and happiness together but certain members paint the picture like majority want to have minorities head for their breakfast..but then again who give a flying fck to what some lowlives think or want...

 

[liontk]

Iranian's devotees are just like Persian members on this forum,the moment you disagree with them,you are wahabi/takfiri/terrorist and God knows what other's term that I don't remember...These kinda members used sLang language and used terms like wahabi at first but now the regular hurling of words like deobandi in addition to wahabi means that they are gonna put their cannon's aim at using sunny word equivalent to terrorist in every of their arguement...

Keep denying the wahabi problem, one day you will regret it when someone you love is the on the suffering end from heinous tragedies such as one today but hey lets ignore those stupid shiites that are creating sectarian issues in pakistan which don't exist.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

They were one of the main backers of pakistan - the land of the pure, where the large hindu and Sikh minorities would ve murdered or driven away.

Turns out they themselves were one of the "impurities" after all, unfortunately. And ironically. What goes around.....

They always had and will continue to back Pakistan since they know whose proxies have attacked them today. Yes the ones, whom they fought against to create the state of Pakistan.

 

[chauvunist]

Iranians are no different than the Saudi's, different sides of the same khotay sikkay. It's just about who has more blood on their hands. If you go with that logic, the Saudi supported Takfiris are winning hands down right now!

Both may be supporting groups in this country and other countries who may be responsible for killing people from both sects but painting the picture like common Pakistani's are endorsing or enjoying such acts is truly twisted and disgusting way to depict...