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After this pandemic, you can forget the US's hold on globalisation – it will be driven solely by China

Countries might be plunged into economic self-quarantine in the short term, but once this is all over, they will fall back into line as the world aggressively pursues the normality it briefly lost

Ahmed Aboudouh @AAboudouh | 24 March 2020 | The Independent

People and firms are struggling with life under lockdown, but the (British) government's predicament is greater. Many countries are now familiarising themselves with the economic self-distancing that will change our world as we know it.

This process has made many speculate that globalisation is on the brink. Our economic world order is fading, they say. Even the World Health Organisation is being marginalised! When it comes to a time of crisis, our collective perspective of the open free trade system has changed. The world is self-isolating.

But the spread of coronavirus is a by-product of globalisation, not its result. This is not the first pandemic to bring the world to the point of paralysis. Emergencies such as these do not, alone, change the course of history. However, decisions made by politicians and rulers in response to them certainly do.

The Black Death was not the sole reason behind the “Waning of the Middle Ages”, as the Dutch historian Johan Huizinga argues in her book of the same title. The spread of that virus in Europe coincided with the peak of the Thirty Years War, which was the real force behind the global shifts that followed.

The same can also be said about the 1918 Influenza pandemic, which broke out at the end of the First World War. Europe did not scramble towards another conflict, which changed the face of the continent and the world, because of the flu. In fact, the rise of xenophobia and nationalism, particularly in the 1930s, was a central effect of the Great Depression and also led to the rise of extreme and erratic leaders who thought only about isolationism, and put little faith in cooperation during crisis.

Today, President Donald Trump is making similar mistakes in his fight against coronavirus. His response at the beginning of the outbreak was slow, immature and shambolic. His lack of leadership, both in the US and towards Europe, left each and every country no choice but to focus on surviving, without any regard to the neighbours or allies. He prefers pandemic power politics and likes to call coronavirus the “Chinese virus.” But what he doesn't seem to grasp is that his leadership is losing the US the battle of survival as the world leader in the face of China's success in the fight to contain the pandemic.

The acceleration of the ongoing rivalry between the US and China during this outbreak was, of course, inevitable. Regardless of who will be the next US president, suspicion and distrust towards everything Chinese is now deeply entrenched in modern American political thought. The trade war, the UK Huawei 5G saga, and the US plan to exclude China from its high technology, were all political forces already pushing against globalisation before the pandemic began to spread.

It also taught the world a useful lesson: trying to “flatten the curve” of China's rise, instead of adopting a policy of cooperation with it, will hit the US and its allies hard. And it will not contain China's ambitions.

As China recovers from being the “source" of this pandemic, it will have two objectives: to end disruption to its supply chains and burnish its image on the world stage. By isolating Europe, closing the borders and focusing only on solving the problem of Covid-19 inside the US, Donald Trump is helping China reach its strategic goals.

The range and speed of the outbreak in Europe and the US are due at least in part to a lack of strong political leadership and a ready willingness to burn the bridges once a crisis happens abroad. Nationalism is not a result of the coronavirus outbreak, but it is contributing to the social and economic severity of the pandemic.

As this pandemic keeps gnawing into Europe and the US, China is stepping forward as a bulwark behind “defeating” the coronavirus. In offering (and receiving requests) to help western and other nations contain it, China is doubling down on its success by promoting, in addition to its model, South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan's experiences in fighting the virus too. China is using globalisation to isolate the US and tarnish what Stephen Walt, the American thinker, calls the “Western brand".

China is committed to saving the globalised system. Many countries might be plunged with an economic and cultural self-quarantine in the short term, but once this is all over, they will fall back into line as the world aggressively pursues the normality it briefly lost.

Trump is a bit of tough luck for the whole world. His ignorance and poor leadership might extend the transitional period before we come back to that normal, but the virus won't end the world order altogether.

China has been promoting its brand since Trump took office. This brand is simple to understand: globalisation is Chinese. And while coronavirus is one of globalisation's problems, the global economy will mobilise to turn the tide against it.
 
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It's not really a USA globalisation crash but a correction. All Trump is doing is re-balancing the trade and reducing dependency, identifying new opportunities and diversifying to controllable and manageable states. Capitalists only worship profit and if China continues to be profitable then Trump will have a hard time persuading businesses to quit China.
 
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It's not really a USA globalisation crash but a correction. All Trump is doing is re-balancing the trade and reducing dependency, identifying new opportunities and diversifying to controllable and manageable states. Capitalists only worship profit and if China continues to be profitable then Trump will have a hard time persuading businesses to quit China.

This pandemic has shown the US they need to bring back manufacturing of critical national security back into the nation as US couldn't get the necessary PPE in time, etc. to much money has been piled into foreign countries.

In a way this proved Trump correct in many ways.
 
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After this pandemic, you can forget the US's hold on globalisation – it will be driven solely by China

Countries might be plunged into economic self-quarantine in the short term, but once this is all over, they will fall back into line as the world aggressively pursues the normality it briefly lost

Ahmed Aboudouh @AAboudouh | 24 March 2020 | The Independent

People and firms are struggling with life under lockdown, but the (British) government's predicament is greater. Many countries are now familiarising themselves with the economic self-distancing that will change our world as we know it.

This process has made many speculate that globalisation is on the brink. Our economic world order is fading, they say. Even the World Health Organisation is being marginalised! When it comes to a time of crisis, our collective perspective of the open free trade system has changed. The world is self-isolating.

But the spread of coronavirus is a by-product of globalisation, not its result. This is not the first pandemic to bring the world to the point of paralysis. Emergencies such as these do not, alone, change the course of history. However, decisions made by politicians and rulers in response to them certainly do.

The Black Death was not the sole reason behind the “Waning of the Middle Ages”, as the Dutch historian Johan Huizinga argues in her book of the same title. The spread of that virus in Europe coincided with the peak of the Thirty Years War, which was the real force behind the global shifts that followed.

The same can also be said about the 1918 Influenza pandemic, which broke out at the end of the First World War. Europe did not scramble towards another conflict, which changed the face of the continent and the world, because of the flu. In fact, the rise of xenophobia and nationalism, particularly in the 1930s, was a central effect of the Great Depression and also led to the rise of extreme and erratic leaders who thought only about isolationism, and put little faith in cooperation during crisis.

Today, President Donald Trump is making similar mistakes in his fight against coronavirus. His response at the beginning of the outbreak was slow, immature and shambolic. His lack of leadership, both in the US and towards Europe, left each and every country no choice but to focus on surviving, without any regard to the neighbours or allies. He prefers pandemic power politics and likes to call coronavirus the “Chinese virus.” But what he doesn't seem to grasp is that his leadership is losing the US the battle of survival as the world leader in the face of China's success in the fight to contain the pandemic.

The acceleration of the ongoing rivalry between the US and China during this outbreak was, of course, inevitable. Regardless of who will be the next US president, suspicion and distrust towards everything Chinese is now deeply entrenched in modern American political thought. The trade war, the UK Huawei 5G saga, and the US plan to exclude China from its high technology, were all political forces already pushing against globalisation before the pandemic began to spread.

It also taught the world a useful lesson: trying to “flatten the curve” of China's rise, instead of adopting a policy of cooperation with it, will hit the US and its allies hard. And it will not contain China's ambitions.

As China recovers from being the “source" of this pandemic, it will have two objectives: to end disruption to its supply chains and burnish its image on the world stage. By isolating Europe, closing the borders and focusing only on solving the problem of Covid-19 inside the US, Donald Trump is helping China reach its strategic goals.

The range and speed of the outbreak in Europe and the US are due at least in part to a lack of strong political leadership and a ready willingness to burn the bridges once a crisis happens abroad. Nationalism is not a result of the coronavirus outbreak, but it is contributing to the social and economic severity of the pandemic.

As this pandemic keeps gnawing into Europe and the US, China is stepping forward as a bulwark behind “defeating” the coronavirus. In offering (and receiving requests) to help western and other nations contain it, China is doubling down on its success by promoting, in addition to its model, South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan's experiences in fighting the virus too. China is using globalisation to isolate the US and tarnish what Stephen Walt, the American thinker, calls the “Western brand".

China is committed to saving the globalised system. Many countries might be plunged with an economic and cultural self-quarantine in the short term, but once this is all over, they will fall back into line as the world aggressively pursues the normality it briefly lost.

Trump is a bit of tough luck for the whole world. His ignorance and poor leadership might extend the transitional period before we come back to that normal, but the virus won't end the world order altogether.

China has been promoting its brand since Trump took office. This brand is simple to understand: globalisation is Chinese. And while coronavirus is one of globalisation's problems, the global economy will mobilise to turn the tide against it.
I think America and EU should do the shocking and actually form a bloc with China like in the 90's in a broader Eurasian+ bloc. BRI can link North America to Asia via the Bering Strait.

The current Indo-Pacific bloc is a joke. S. Korea and Japan are at each others throats and in long run will be in serious demographic decline. India is obsessed with regional and domestic sectarian conflicts....and is still non aligned in practice. From the American prespective...I don't see what so attractive about the "Indo-Pacific" concept.
 
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I think America and EU should do the shocking and actually form a bloc with China like in the 90's in a broader Eurasian+ bloc. BRI can link North America to Asia via the Bering Strait.

The current Indo-Pacific bloc is a joke. S. Korea and Japan are at each others throats and in long run will be in serious demographic decline. India is obsessed with regional and domestic sectarian conflicts....and is still non aligned in practice. From the American prespective...I don't see what so attractive about the "Indo-Pacific" concept.

Obviously doing this will be to the benefit of the American economy and society as it will bring mutual prosperity to everyone. But the American political elites are locked in a zero sum game with China, even to the point of wanting to hurt China even if it inflicts equal or greater hurt to themselves. Therefore expect exacerbated tensions between the US and certain US allies vis a vis China for at least the next ten years. This will only end when China emerges from this period as the undisputed economic and technological champion, then the US and its allies will have no choice but to begrudgingly accept China's power. But trust me, it will get ugly, very ugly in the near future.
 
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It is too early to confirm. A strong America is good for China. The bigger the role, the more responsibility. China replaces the position of the US, they will have to shoulder the corresponding responsibility. Instead of being the first bird, it is better to hide your position in a safe place
 
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China has never intended to seek a global center or the position of gravity center. China's aim is to realize its own rejuvenation, which does not conflict with a more prosperous world. The community of human destiny is the concept of China.
 
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The spread of that virus in Europe coincided with the peak of the Thirty Years War, which was the real force behind the global shifts that followed.

The same can also be said about the 1918 Influenza pandemic, which broke out at the end of the First World War. Europe did not scramble towards another conflict, which changed the face of the continent and the world, because of the flu. In fact, the rise of xenophobia and nationalism, particularly in the 1930s, was a central effect of the Great Depression and also led to the rise of extreme and erratic leaders who thought only about isolationism, and put little faith in cooperation during crisis.
Absolutely,

The first world war has followed a period of unprecedented peaceful progress, and prosperity in Europe. Nothing could've shaken the old major powers unless they did it themselves. We don't remember much of the Spanish flu, which took lives of 10% of population in Europe, only because WWI and Russian revolution outshadowed it. Similarly, everybody though of Germans as being a done for nation after the thirty years war

And about the thirty year war, I want to cite this specifically for my compatriots:
The Thirty Years' War was a war fought primarily in Central Europe between 1618 and 1648. One of the most destructive conflicts in human history,[14] it resulted in eight million fatalities not only from military engagements but also from violence, famine, and plague. Casualties were overwhelmingly and disproportionately inhabitants of the Holy Roman Empire, most of the rest being battle deaths from various foreign armies.[10] The deadly clashes ravaged Europe; 20 percent of the total population of Germany died during the conflict and there were losses up to 50 percent in a corridor between Pomerania and the Black Forest.[15] In terms of proportional German casualties and destruction, it was surpassed only by the period of January to May 1945 during World War II. One of its enduring results was 19th-century Pan-Germanism, when it served as an example of the dangers of a divided Germany and became a key justification for the 1871 creation of the German Empire (although the German Empire excluded the German-speaking parts of the Austro-Hungarian Empire).[16]
In other words, it was the plague that made the unthinkable happen. After slashing each other throats for foreign causes for decades, Germans found that Habsburgs were so obsessed with keeping their primacy in Europe, that they let their own house burn while they were away fighting the war. It was then when everybody turned on Habsburgs, and it was the end for them.

China has never intended to seek a global center or the position of gravity center. China's aim is to realize its own rejuvenation, which does not conflict with a more prosperous world. The community of human destiny is the concept of China.
This could've been if the current situation happened a decade ago, but now I hear party cadres talking things that would've been unthinkable before. The cohort of current 35-45 mid-career cadres are a polar opposite of people on the top.

I hear of calls to seize the historic initiative quite often these days.

In 10-15 years, these people will inevitable come to the apex of power.

China had more than enough resources to invade any of its near neighbours countless times already, but besides a botched and low key Vietnam conflict (for which Deng paid with his job) never did it. There were no existential need for China to look for more land, subjects, or resources. But things are increasingly becoming different with each passing day.

Those upcoming cadres are themselves a product of decades of nationalistic propaganda done by the party to the extend they genuinely beginning to believe it, as the West increasingly giving them more reasons to. In a 15-20 years, China may well chose to cease being an isolationist power has been through the most of history.
 
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. China is committed to saving the globalised system. Many countries might be plunged with an economic and cultural self-quarantine in the short term, but once this is all over, they will fall back into line as the world aggressively pursues the normality it briefly lost.
Really? The trade problem arose cos China was taking advantage of Globalism and was never really interested to be a part of it in the first place. Hypocrisy. It will never allow foreign companies to invest freely in China in first place but will invest in other countries freely. The problems faced by payment gateway companies in China is another lesson. It's customs designed in a way to discourage imports is another. This crisis has just shown how much world has become dependent on china and how it must become self sufficient in some areas even though it might be costly. I hope lessons are well lesrnt.
 
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Good. Useless trash like America should just be swept into the garbage dump where it belongs.
 
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