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After rolling out new stealth bomber, Pentagon chief warns of pivotal point: ‘We’re aligning our budget as never before to the China challenge’​

BYTARA COPP AND THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
December 5, 2022 at 12:49 AM GMT+8

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Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin speaks during a briefing at the Pentagon in Washington, Nov. 16, 2022.
AP PHOTO/SUSAN WALSH, FILE

The U.S. is at a pivotal point with China and will need military strength to ensure that American values, not Beijing’s, set global norms in the 21st century, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said Saturday.

Austin’s speech at the Reagan National Defense Forum capped a week in which the Pentagon was squarely focused on China’s rise and what that might mean for America’s position in the world.
On Monday it released an annual China security report that warned Beijing would likely have 1,500 nuclear warheads by 2035, with no clarity on how China would seek to use them.

On Friday in a dramatic nighttime rollout, Austin was on hand as the public got its first glimpse of the military’s newest, highly classified nuclear stealth bomber, the B-21 Raider, which is being designed to best the quickly growing cyber, space and nuclear capabilities of Beijing.

China “is the only country with both the will and, increasingly, the power to reshape its region and the international order to suit its authoritarian preferences,” Austin said Saturday. “So let me be clear: We will not let that happen.”

The Pentagon is also concerned about Russia and remains committed to arming Ukraine while avoiding escalating that conflict into a U.S. war with Moscow, he said at the forum, held at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library.

“We will not be dragged into Putin’s war,” Austin said.

“These next few years will set the terms of our competition with the People’s Republic of China. They will shape the future of security in Europe,” Austin said. “And they will determine whether our children and grandchildren inherit an open world of rules and rights — or whether they face emboldened autocrats who seek to dominate by force and fear.”

Still, between the two nuclear power threats, China remains the greater risk, Austin said.

To meet that rise, “we’re aligning our budget as never before to the China challenge,” Austin said. “In our imperfect world, deterrence does come through strength.”

The bomber is part of a major nuclear triad overhaul underway that the Congressional Budget Office has estimated will cost $1.2 trillion through 2046.

It includes the Raider serving as the backbone of the future air leg of the triad, but it also requires modernizing the nation’s silo-launched nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles and its nuclear submarine fleet.

The Defense Department has the largest discretionary budget of all the federal agencies, and it may receive up to $847 billion in the 2023 budget if Congress passes the current funding bill before this legislative session ends.

However, defense advocates argue it is still not enough to modernize and keep up with China because much of that spending goes to military personnel. The CBO estimates that about one-quarter of the defense budget is spent on personnel costs such as salaries, health care and retirement accounts.

 
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Most major recent American weapon systems have either been total flops, or have under performed massively.
It's a bit early to be blowing the horns on this one, let's see how it performs, judging by recent performance, it doesn't look good. :rofl:
Looks like China has nothing to worry about.
 
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Most major recent American weapon systems have either been total flops, or have under performed massively.
It's a bit early to be blowing the horns on this one, let's see how it performs, judging by recent performance, it doesn't look good. :rofl:
Looks like China has nothing to worry about.
We are not paranoid Americans
 
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We are not paranoid Americans

I can't say for sure, but it wouldn't hurt to be a little paranoid, because the knives are out for China, perhaps paranoia is a bit strong, but it's good to be awake. I like china, but somehow I feel China has taken it's eyes off the ball.
 
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Most major recent American weapon systems have either been total flops, or have under performed massively.
It's a bit early to be blowing the horns on this one, let's see how it performs, judging by recent performance, it doesn't look good. :rofl:
Looks like China has nothing to worry about.

Political rhetoric and biases of a country on one side, how you drew this conclusion?

Bombers can be used to bomb a country back to the stone age if it comes down to it. But humanity is a factor.

US applied "The Theory of Limited War" to defeat localized threats in some countries in recent conflicts. They were not trying to exterminate entire population bases.
 
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Political rhetoric and biases on one side, how you drew this conclusion?

Bombers can be used to bomb a country back to the stone age if it comes down to it. But humanity is a factor.

US applied "The Theory of Limited War" to defeat localized threats in some countries in recent conflicts. They were not trying to exterminate entire population bases.

I failed to see where you sensed political rhetoric, or any political bias, unless it's inherent within yourself.

It's prime 5th generation fighter didn't exactly reach full production, neither did it's all mighty stealth destroyer, and neither did it's frigate. It would help to read the comment properly, rather then continuing to answer assumptions created by yourself.
I can only answer my comment, not your assumptions.

At no point I made any references to Americas war fighting capability as a whole, neither did I make any comments about the examples you provided.
Please read my comment again, if you disagree or have a comment on which I should expand further then get back to me, otherwise, I see no reason for this discussion.
 
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B-21 sounds like the F-35 of bombers, with upgraded electronics and inferior specs, too bad it can't be sold like F-35, basically a budget black hole for pentagon.

should not concern China much, drone swarm is the future
 
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I failed to see where you sensed political rhetoric, or any political bias, unless it's inherent within yourself.

It's prime 5th generation fighter didn't exactly reach full production, neither did it's all mighty stealth destroyer, and neither did it's frigate. It would help to read the comment properly, rather then continuing to answer assumptions created by yourself.
I can only answer my comment, not your assumptions.

At no point I made any references to Americas war fighting capability as a whole, neither did I make any comments about the examples you provided.
Please read my comment again, if you disagree or have a comment on which I should expand further then get back to me, otherwise, I see no reason for this discussion.

Please recheck my earlier post - I have corrected my statement. You need to calm down as well. I was somewhat surprised to see your reaction. I am one of those members with whom you can have a productive converation.

1. F-22A Raptor production was stopped due to "politics." Donald Rumsfeld is deemed responsible for this decision.


It shows lack of vision on his part.

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Chinese leadership is farsighted in comparison.

J-20 is not shaped to perfection for stealth like F-22A but it is invaluable step towards developing a reasonably stealthy jet fighter in heavyweight class. This project was not subjected to irresponsible Public ridicule like in the case of F-35: numerous design-related and technical shortcomings were slowly but surely addressed in time and the jet fighter has reached the stage of full-rate production with domestic engines by now.


China will be in the position to deploy this seemingly potent jet fighter in large numbers for combat operation(s) [soon].

If China is to fight (and win) a conventional war in its neighborhood, J-20 will be crucial enabler in this matter and calculus.

But my assessment is "theoretical." It will take a war to find out which Chinese weapon system will be most effective in a conventional war.

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2. Transforming a massive ship into a VLO strike platform turned out to be an ambitious undertaking. In addition to the requirement of developing a very stealthy hull, a Zumwalt class warship contains a very high degree of automation technologies which added to its costs. This type of ship must also be resistant to corrosion of oceanic environment(s). This type of ship turned out to be too expensive to mass produce, therefore. USN will keep 3 in total.

Some might deem this project a failure, but on the flip side, it provided opportunity to understand and experiment with a wide range of technologies that can be implemented in other ships to make them better in time.

Zumwalt class is not deadweight either. Just 3 of these ships will be able to produce significant battlefield effects with hypersonic munitions and more. These ships will be ready for combat operation(s) in 2025.

3. Frigate? Which one?

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So what is your broader assessment? US is failing to operationalize credible stealthy platforms?
 
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B-21 sounds like the F-35 of bombers, with upgraded electronics and inferior specs, too bad it can't be sold like F-35, basically a budget black hole for pentagon.

the should not concern China much, drone swarm is the future

The Americans will be able to control when China decides to go for a war - as they will provoke Taiwan into declaring independence and kicking off that war.

Drones are good for near targets ie upto 1000km - anything longer and it is something you dont want to waste.

Americans have allies that surround China as of now - so they can use bases in these countries to attack China. China will find it hard to directly attack american soil. Soviets had the same problem.

So - a little paranoia is warranted.
 
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Please recheck my earlier post - I have corrected my statement. You need to calm down as well. I was somewhat surprised to see your reaction. I am one of those members with whom you can have a productive converation.

1. F-22A Raptor production was stopped due to "politics." Donald Rumsfield is deemed responsible for this decision.


It shows lack of vision on his part.

- - -

Chinese leadership is farsighted in comparison.

J-20 is not shaped to perfection for stealth like F-22A but it is invaluable step towards developing a reasonably stealthy jet fighter in heavyweight class. This project was not subjected to irresponsible Public ridicule like in the case of F-35: numerous design-related and technical shortcomings were slowly but surely addressed in time and the jet fighter has reached the stage of full-rate production with domestic engines by now.


China will be in the position to deploy this seemingly potent jet fighter in large numbers for combat operation(s) [soon].

If China is to fight (and win) a conventional war in its neighborhood, J-20 will be crucial enabler in this matter and calculus.

But my assessment is "theoretical." It will take a war to find out which Chinese weapon system will be most effective in a conventional war.

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So what is your broader assessment? US is failing to operationalize credible stealthy platforms?
I doubt F-22 production stop is purely politics. American are no idiot to stop production of something if it really work so well. There are already plenty of evidence F-22 is not as godly as many claim including the American engineer themselves.

Surely in terms of raw capability of F-22 as a close range dogfighter, F-22 is one of the best due to its immerse twin engine F-119 engine power. But there is plenty of shortcoming of it as F-22 raptor is designed in the early 80s where it didnt benefit from the fast advancement of electronic and computer in the 2000. In terms of stealth, the older generation of stealth coating is problematic and expensive to maintain. the wind inlet is a big source of RCS contribution compare to F-35 DSI.

USAF deemed F-22 is not worth the effort to upgrade F-22 electronic to F-35 that they are preparing future of USAF without F-22.. More or less speaks about the capabilities of F-22 is low in the eye of USAF. The top hierarchy of US military wouldn't easily retire their best but fact is F-22 capabilities and operational readiness is not even the best of USAF or US military. It is an outdated products.

Of course, the typical western fanboy will continue hype about F-22 in order to maintain the image of US military might in the eye of the world opinion.

 
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Most major recent American weapon systems have either been total flops, or have under performed massively.
It's a bit early to be blowing the horns on this one, let's see how it performs, judging by recent performance, it doesn't look good. :rofl:
Looks like China has nothing to worry about.
Oh they perform flawlessly in A-Stan, Eyraq etc.... But Cheen or Roos...ahem.... you know what... :D
 
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The Americans will be able to control when China decides to go for a war - as they will provoke Taiwan into declaring independence and kicking off that war.
If US is really wanting to go that stage, they would have dropped one China policy and recognized Taiwan independent. But why didnt? While US foreign affair spokesman keep emphasize one China policy never change and US would not support an independent Taiwan.

Those Pelosi visit and minor provoke are simply just to win some votes to make them look strong in the congress. But US core policy is never to want a war in Taiwan strait and avoid a war with PLA.
 
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Can anyone please define American values?

All I see is Macdonalds and LGBTQ?

What am I missing ?
 
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If US is really wanting to go that stage, they would have dropped one China policy and recognized Taiwan independent. But why didnt? While US foreign affair spokesman keep emphasize one China policy never change and US would not support an independent Taiwan.
Because the hassles do not worth the benefits, which we are getting now despite the current 'one China' policy.

Those Pelosi visit and minor provoke are simply just to win some votes to make them look strong in the congress. But US core policy is never to want a war in Taiwan strait and avoid a war with PLA.
If China fail to take Taiwan in a shooting war, then Taiwanese independence will be official.
 
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