Afridi's Daughter Thug Life Moment

[lastofthepatriots]

Oh look another thread ruined by religious arguments. Moving swiftly on!

Ruined by liberals, just like everything else in Pakistan.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Are you seriously implying that women who wear headcovering haven’t been subjected to sexual harassment?

I encourage my girls to have their heads covered but do not expect them to have that as default position in their lives. Indeed chances are they will not have head wear most of the time. Here is my thinking -

I have seen many disgusting girls whose mouths are like gutter - use obscene language. In fact I would say majority of Pakistani girls in UK use filthy language and think it's cool. In addition possibly upto 20% smoke and possible some on the fringe take drugs. Many display lewd behaviour and use layers of make up that their faces are practically caked in a attempt to look fair. Majority of them are wearing some type of headgear including that preposterous bulge on the head.

I am strong believer in the person. I expect my girls to carry themselves in a manner that exhibits a modest profile. Foremost in this is the state mind. I think the term might be 'sharif'. My girls are reserved, clean language and well behaved at all times. I get nothing but compliments from their teachers. Make up is out of question but I will accept that when in certain circumstances like weddings etc but even then it must remain within reason.

For me the most important thing is the state of mind. I have drummed into them that their education will provide the premium and their modesty their character. My eldest daughter is about to start her master degree next year and she now does not wear hijab. I am cool with that but the modest dress code applies. I have summed it up as nothing shorter than knee caps and elbows.

I believe women are equal of men and I expect my girls to make a mark on this world but they will do it with modesty.

 

[Valar.]

Wearing or not wearing hijab doesn't make anyone modest or immodest.
For some girls, hijab is just a fashion/status symbol.

 

[Zarvan]

Wearing or not wearing hijab doesn't make anyone modest or immodest.
For some girls, hijab is just a fashion/status symbol.

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It does following orders of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW makes a person modest

 

[padamchen]

In this intensely theological discussion no one bothered to answer my question.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Sinnerman108]

Why are you so triggered by it? Why can't he express support for someone choosing to be outwardly Muslim? It's a difficult choice to make in a country where the upper class will generally look down their nose at you for it.

What the hell is outwardly Muslim ? and how is it different or better ( as you seem to suggest ) than someone who is not outwardly Muslim ?

I am just challenging the assertion that Hijab makes you

a. outwardly muslims
b. better mulims
c. more pious

For all we know, that Hijab may not even be a personal choice, and enforced.

How did we come to a point to judge someone's piety based on the amount of cloth, well knowing that the Quran itself does not postulate it ?

In this intensely theological discussion no one bothered to answer my question.

Cheers, Doc

All three of them.

 

[padamchen]

What the hell is outwardly Muslim ? and how is it different or better ( as you seem to suggest ) than someone who is not outwardly Muslim ?

I am just challenging the assertion that Hijab makes you

a. outwardly muslims
b. better mulims
c. more pious

For all we know, that Hijab may not even be a personal choice, and enforced.

How did we come to a point to judge someone's piety based on the amount of cloth, well knowing that the Quran itself does not postulate it ?


All three of them.

They look like Parsis.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Sinnerman108]

They look like Parsis.

Cheers, Doc

Well that is understandable.

Through the subcontinent...
As you keep going west - north west the persian influence starts to dominate.

If you go north- north west the Aryan / Central Asian becomes dominant.

The more south you go, you can see Dravidian dominance.

 

[padamchen]

Well that is understandable.

Through the subcontinent...
As you keep going west - north west the persian influence starts to dominate.

If you go north- north west the Aryan / Central Asian becomes dominant.

The more south you go, you can see Dravidian dominance.

I understand that bro.

But my wife and I had seen their baby photos.

They DO look Parsi. I've seen Pashtuns ...

Cheers, Doc

 

[R Wing]

You see, it is just tafseer i.e interpretation.

Now, in old mecca, and knowing the climate, what do you think people's costume was ?



Well, your comments are well reflective of your excellent upbringing and absolute morals.
I maybe as old, if not older than your father.



Just because your Su-35 isn't around means, you know who and what I am ?
Son, you have to try better than that.

I asked you guys some very straight forward questions, and you have done everything but answer them.

Sir, I agree with your sentiments. We have a lot of closet extremists on this forum who think that:
a.) if you don't agree with their interpretation (usually Wahabbi/Deobandi-inspired) of various issues, you are a no-good un-patriotic anti-Islam liberal who wants nothing but the destruction of Pakistani society (which, I would argue, is already FAR from the values of Islam which go WAY beyond just dress code and actual action + honesty, kindness, fairness, etc., which nobody really gets this worked up over)

b.) if you think a woman can be respected and have a good upbringing even without the hijaab, you are also the above and that you MUST be one of those agents trying to destroy society by promoting miniskirts and bikinis

c.) there is only one interpretation of our beautiful religion, whereas in reality Islam allows schools of thought and scholars to disagree on all these issues, as they always have and continue to do

d.) a woman CANNOT be considered respectful unless she wears a hijaab or, even better (for them), a shuttlecock burqa whereas in reality we can only judge any person, whether man or woman, not solely based on head-covering or beard level but as a whole: their actions, fairness, kindness, piety, helpfulness, generosity, selflessness, etc. These are the teaching of Islam that many in this forum have forgotten! How dare you try and defend the honor of a woman by degrading another member and labeling him in a derogatory way?!

So, I personally respect women who wear culturally-appropriate attire and those wearing hijab by choice are exercising modesty. Modesty, however, extends far beyond just dress code. Also, some other women who may not be wearing a hijaab might be helping 1000x more people a day. Who is to say who had a better upbringing? Let's leave these judgments to God and enjoy the video!

 

[El Sidd]

Who lit a match in here? I thought the thread was about Afridis little angel.

Wearing or not wearing hijab doesn't make anyone modest or immodest.
For some girls, hijab is just a fashion/status symbol.

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I am sure the Pope snapped this pic for your after dinner confession sessions.

 

[Divergent]

I encourage my girls to have their heads covered but do not expect them to have that as default position in their lives. Indeed chances are they will not have head wear most of the time. Here is my thinking -

I have seen many disgusting girls whose mouths are like gutter - use obscene language. In fact I would say majority of Pakistani girls in UK use filthy language and think it's cool. In addition possibly upto 20% smoke and possible some on the fringe take drugs. Many display lewd behaviour and use layers of make up that their faces are practically caked in a attempt to look fair. Majority of them are wearing some type of headgear including that preposterous bulge on the head.

I am strong believer in the person. I expect my girls to carry themselves in a manner that exhibits a modest profile. Foremost in this is the state mind. I think the term might be 'sharif'. My girls are reserved, clean language and well behaved at all times. I get nothing but compliments from their teachers. Make up is out of question but I will accept that when in certain circumstances like weddings etc but even then it must remain within reason.

For me the most important thing is the state of mind. I have drummed into them that their education will provide the premium and their modesty their character. My eldest daughter is about to start her master degree next year and she now does not wear hijab. I am cool with that but the modest dress code applies. I have summed it up as nothing shorter than knee caps and elbows.

I believe women are equal of men and I expect my girls to make a mark on this world but they will do it with modesty.

Appreciate what you’re saying but I don’t wear one and some of us have a different sense of attire does that make them a bad person or in anyways outline lack character?

 

[313ghazi]

What the hell is outwardly Muslim ? and how is it different or better ( as you seem to suggest ) than someone who is not outwardly Muslim ?

I am just challenging the assertion that Hijab makes you

a. outwardly muslims
b. better mulims
c. more pious

For all we know, that Hijab may not even be a personal choice, and enforced.

How did we come to a point to judge someone's piety based on the amount of cloth, well knowing that the Quran itself does not postulate it ?


All three of them.

Outwardly Muslims is to appear Muslim, the concept of purdah (in dress) in it's many forms is a visible example of following Islamic practice. Hijab is an example of sunnah.

I love how liberals love to try and limit Islam to literal translations of the Quran when it suits them. It the exact same approach taken by Al Queda and their ilk. The sunnah and just as importantly the centuries of scholarly understanding of the Quran and Sunnah (in the form of Tafsir and other books of knowledge) are an important part of Islam. They document what is considered Islamically normal.

In our part of the world, purdah in the form of dress, is traditionally expressed as wearing loose fitted clothes which cover the full body (for both genders) and covering the hair for females. Obviously people have more conservative or liberal intepretrations of that based on personal choice, but lets not white wash islam to suit your preferences.

Also nice bit of bigotry thrown in there, "enforced" - does Shahid Afridi have a record of enforcing how to dress or behave on his family? Or is that just your assumption because he's a more conservative Muslim than you are?

 

[padamchen]

Appreciate what you’re saying but I don’t wear one and some of us have a different sense of attire does that make them a bad person or in anyways outline lack character?

Personally, no.

He's a dad. Its that simple.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Indus Pakistan]

It does following orders of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW makes a person modest

Appreciate what you’re saying but I don’t wear one and some of us have a different sense of attire does that make them a bad person or in anyways outline lack character?

I only stated my personal opinion that only extends to my family and near family. I have no right to preach to those outside of this circle. Of course I retain my thoughts but that is it. And as I stated my eldest daughter who is in university does not wear hijab but when she was younger I did insist on head cover as part of inculcating modesty. Once that is achieved then I think head gear is not needed unless within specific circumstances. The best form of hijab is the character. But at a young age this needs to be formed and headgear helps in manifesting that state of mind. However once you reach that point it is not needed. My sisters are in their 40s and 50s. They don't use headgear.