Afghans hate of Pakistan - The real reason

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

However to be honest. It will be too early to consider you a friend. Perhaps if you can moderate your religious views a bit which are too extreme even for me, but I do believe you are a nice person. And I am optimistic that we can meet someday.

You are overthinking all this and running several miles ahead of yourself. Slow down friend.

Yes, our countries are enemies. Our religions also do not get along historically. I believe extremely strongly in my faith, like most Pakistanis do. PDF shows mainly diaspora, many of whom are secular or do not have much of a religious background.

However, I hope you are here to understand the way of thinking of Pakistanis and not trying to get us to change for you or anyone. Many Indians have tried this and have grown frustrated. Please do not ask us to change, we won't.

Islam is so dear to the heart of a Pakistani, it is the basis of Pakistan. We are united together by this fabric. This great religion unites us with Afghans, Turks, Arabs, and others too. Together we form the Muslim Ummat of Prophet Muhammad saws.

All of our founding fathers , including Quaid, were proud Muslims. Our history has led us to this realization that Islam indeed has all the answers for our woes. When we are distant from Islam, we are humiliated, when we abide by it, we are granted honor and victory.

. In other words, I may not be your type. And I am really sad to say that. You have been extremely good to me on this forum.

That's what she said.

With so many Afghans living in Pakistan, Afghanistan being so reliant on Pakistan and the large number of intermarriages between Pakistanis and Afghans, within 50-100 years there will definitely be some sort of merger between parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan or some sort of loose federation at the very least.

Indeed brother, we must look at the wider picture. Pakistan has been kept far too long on this tiny sliver of land. Our ideology, and any healthy ideology, requires expansion. Our influence must spread towards Afghanistan and Central Asia, Arab Gulf, Turkey, Yemen, Oman, East Africa, North Africa,, West Africa,, Europe, Maldives, and Indo-Malay region.

Pakistan deserves to be a superpower in its own right, and for that, merger with Afghanistan is the first step. Afghans gain economy, security, water route, and a state apparatus, we gain an end to proxies, new trade routes, more geopolitical sway, and route to Central Asia.

It is a win win, anyway you look at it.

 

[PradoTLC]

As a third party member I don't need to get into other persons persons shoes that's why 'might'

third party?... really.. last i checked india shoe was inside A-stan?... every thing from financing terror via the incredibly high number of consulates to hate properganda against Pakistan via the mayors of Kabul.

 

[Cliftonite]

His agenda is more important to him, than the official position of State institutions.

I don't have a pro India agenda at all. But you guys like to live in an echo chamber of an ummah chummah utopia. Who funded and groomed the initial takfiri organizations in Zia's time? Saudi. All these organisations ASWJ, LeJ, SSP grew heads of their own of which the final culmination was TTP. Our very own ISIS that wanted to erase all 'kafirs'; Shias, Hazaras, Sufis, Ismailis from our land. India was mainly their funders.

 

[PradoTLC]

Afghanistan initially did trouble you - agreed. Just look at india and China, even after a war and frequent clashes neither wants other nation to break apart or die. This should mean something. You can't keep on hating for ever

dont look at us... we didnt invade A-stan in 1979... we didnt fight like mad dogs post soviet withdrawal.?.. We didnt govern A-stan for the last 20 years... giving the worst governance on the planet...

like i said dont care for what a afGOON thinks.

Just be glad we have a sympathetic PM in power who went out of his way to champion peace negotiation between Taliban and the US so that the rest of the sorry arse afgoons can live in peace. India did nothing to advance peace.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I don't have a pro India agenda at all. But you guys like to live in an echo chamber of an ummah chummah utopia. Who funded and groomed the initial takfiri organizations in Zia's time? Saudi. All these organisations ASWJ, LeJ, SSP grew heads of their own of which the final culmination was TTP. Our very own ISIS that wanted to erase all 'kafirs'; Shias, Hazaras, Sufis, Ismailis from our land. India was mainly their funders.

Those organizations may definitely have some KSA and UAE money behind them, I haven't done the research so I don't know. I know Ahle Hadees became much more extreme with Arab money, however they never became violent.

TTP had multiple financiers like India and US, although I never heard of KSA. This is the first time I have heard of this.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You are overthinking all this and running several miles ahead of yourself. Slow down friend.

Yes, our countries are enemies. Our religions also do not get along historically. I believe extremely strongly in my faith, like most Pakistanis do. PDF shows mainly diaspora, many of whom are secular or do not have much of a religious background.

However, I hope you are here to understand the way of thinking of Pakistanis and not trying to get us to change for you or anyone. Many Indians have tried this and have grown frustrated. Please do not ask us to change, we won't.

Islam is so dear to the heart of a Pakistani, it is the basis of Pakistan. We are united together by this fabric. This great religion unites us with Afghans, Turks, Arabs, and others too. Together we form the Muslim Ummat of Prophet Muhammad saws.

All of our founding fathers , including Quaid, were proud Muslims. Our history has led us to this realization that Islam indeed has all the answers for our woes. When we are distant from Islam, we are humiliated, when we abide by it, we are granted honor and victory.



That's what she said.



Indeed brother, we must look at the wider picture. Pakistan has been kept far too long on this tiny sliver of land. Our ideology, and any healthy ideology, requires expansion. Our influence must spread towards Afghanistan and Central Asia, Arab Gulf, Turkey, Yemen, Oman, East Africa, North Africa,, West Africa,, Europe, Maldives, and Indo-Malay region.

Pakistan deserves to be a superpower in its own right, and for that merger with Afghanistan is the first step. Afghans gain economy, security, water route, and a state apparatus, we gain an end to proxies, new trade routes, more geopolitical sway, and route to Central Asia.

It is a win win, anyway you look at it.

Despite the trolling online, the vast majority of Afghans and Pakistanis are of the same race and religion. Also with the close connection amongst both people going back 1000s of years, the union between Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan is inevitable. Afghans and Pakistanis were part of the same nation/land for nearly 4000 years. That reality will return again one day.

 

[PradoTLC]

Taliban creation part, was done by usa at that time to fight another devil, but you kept on nourishing a monster. Look at your north west regions. Still Pakistan supports them only

correction : four countries backed Taliban: US, UAE, KSA and Pakistan . Different reasons some to check Irani influence of the NA.

Pakistan was mainly

> end in fighting and stabilise the country
> end drug production
> End cross border raids and terror bombing done by Khad
> End criminals and smuggling operations

Guess what ?......the taliban delivered on all the fronts and normalised the border. They firmly controlled 90% of all Afgan lands,


Still supports them only?... lol.

. so ?... they are our allied partners...

not yours..

you lost ....too bad?... cry us a river...lol

 

[Cliftonite]

I am a big admirer of jirga justice, we have it even in villages in Punjab, and it works wonders. If the state could bring it back on a national level, it would solve our broken judicial system.

Isn't it like a kangaroo court? Anyway in India they have similar "justice systems" for example, Khap panchayats in Haryana. Modern legal system exists for a reason. I don't want my lawyer friends to go out of business.

Jirgas and panchayats are rotten systems that hand out punishments like corrective rape. Where a few illiterate village leaders decide matters on their clan loyalties and skewed sense of morality. Whoever thinks it's a good system in lieu of court systems wants to take Pakistan back to the stone ages. Jirga and excellent justice systems.What a frickin joke.

 

[PradoTLC]

Despite the trolling online, the vast majority of Afghans and Pakistanis are of the same race and religion. Also with the close connection amongst both people going back 1000s of years, the union between Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan is inevitable. Afghans and Pakistanis were part of the same nation/land for nearly 4000 years. That reality will return again one day.

True but only after afgans attend Pakistan Army de radicalisation and reform centers.... like we did in FATA

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Despite the trolling online, the vast majority of Afghans and Pakistanis are of the same race and religion. Also with the close connection amongst both people going back 1000s of years, the union between Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan is inevitable. Afghans and Pakistanis were part of the same nation/land for nearly 4000 years. That reality will return again one day.

Yes brother, we can look at it from two angles.

1. Religious angle. We share the same religious mindset. We are both Hanafi Sunni Muslim conservative societies. We have strong Sufi history and heritage. Most of the kings and scholars who brought Islam to us came from Afghanistan, like Data ji who converted Lahore. The only other one who shares our religious heritage is Turkey.

2. Racial angle. Both of us share the heritage of IVC and Iranic tribe migration (not Iranian.) The IVC, Persian, Greek, Scythian, Kushan, Hepthalite, Turk periods in our history were totally unique to Afghanistan and Pakistan. This also explains complete Islamization of our region, versus Indians.

I will post more on this later once I have time. If you look at maps of historical empires which ruled Pakistan, we were almost always connected with Afghanistan.

@H. Dawary

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Jirgas and panchayats are rotten systems that hand out punishments like corrective rape. Where a few illiterate village leaders decide matters on their clan loyalties and skewed sense of morality. Whoever thinks it's a good system in lieu of court systems wants to take Pakistan back to the stone ages. Jirga and excellent justice systems.What a frickin joke.

Much better than LHC.

Also collective punishment is un-Islamic.

More on that later. I will explain my views with time.

All the Sunni takfiri militant organisations had a money trail from GCC. Wikileaks documented it. TTP was funded more by India and US. The army wouldn't admit the GCC connection because they were groomed under Zia's nose to counteract the Khomeini regime in connivance with the Arabs.

This post of yours I can agree with. Rana Sanaullah was a great patron of these groups, and he wasn't army, but N guy in Faislabad.

 

[Cliftonite]

Much better than LHC.

Also collective punishment is un-Islamic.

More on that later. I will explain my views with time.

LHC is corrupt but the base legislation and jurisdiction in place is balanced and healthy. It can be solved out by weeding out the inherent corruption. Jirga OTOH is a completely arbitrary system that depends on the mood of the jirga leaders that day amd their clan loyalty. No concept of check and balances. Might is right.

 

[Blacklight]

I don't have a pro India agenda at all. But you guys like to live in an echo chamber of an ummah chummah utopia. Who funded and groomed the initial takfiri organizations in Zia's time? Saudi. All these organisations ASWJ, LeJ, SSP grew heads of their own of which the final culmination was TTP. Our very own ISIS that wanted to erase all 'kafirs'; Shias, Hazaras, Sufis, Ismailis from our land. India was mainly their funders.

Your repeated illogical statements indicate your basic lack of knowledge. Pls continue.

 

[Cliftonite]

Your repeated illogical statements indicate your basic lack of knowledge. Pls continue.

Okay.

 

[Dalit]

I don't care about anything. The only thing I care about is when Afghans lay claim over my land. We can have million similarities, as long as Afghans continue to dispute the internationally recognized border we have a big problem. As long as Afghans continue to claim large chunks of Pak territory we have a massive problem.

Everything else is just talk. The entire Afghan hatred for Pakistan stems from land dispute.