Afghanistan

[Bull]

That means you lost the discussion. I already thought so. No depth. No arguments. Typical Indian behaviour. Hot air but retreating when shown reality.

Since you can conclude that I am not contributing then you should be awarded to the supermod status...

edited my comment.

 

[Contrarian]

Yes, Pakistan Army was much more efficient than the Indian Army in 1965 but not becoz of superior numbers or weaponary but becoz of superior will superir determination and superior tenacity.

Wrong, if they did not have superior armour, weapons, etc they would not have been able to hold out as much as they did. Your president Musharraf said so himself that for the Afghans, they are fierce warriors, but they are no match for a modern army.
What do you think the Indian Army was not as committed to their homeland? You would be surprised if you ever thought that.

 

[Adux]

A better way to excuse these kind of things as malay also suggested is to ignore. During debates you will face some kind of those comments that will incite you to go in a pathan mode.

Lets learn the etiquettes and be careful in the future. I understand your point of view.

I will take your advice, but it would do great service to your job as well as your board, if you can warn/leash etc Munir.

Adu

 

[GOD OF WAR]

Wrong, if they did not have superior armour, weapons, etc they would not have been able to hold out as much as they did. Your president Musharraf said so himself that for the Afghans, they are fierce warriors, but they are no match for a modern army.
What do you think the Indian Army was not as committed to their homeland? You would be surprised if you ever thought that.

come on!! we ALL know that Pakistan was never more well equiped than India, and still isnt. Im not saying that any army lacks committment, Im just saying that PA was better committed and fought better and had better strategy than the IA. One of your generals, (forgetting the name) has even written a book, which is quite famous which states that IA had poor strategy, comittment etc.

Your staement about Gen. Musharraf is actually contradicting your previous statement, so I'll leave it at that. circumspect a lil, if u dont get it , then lemme know . I'll help.

Underestimating your enemy is a major and unforgivable error with dire results. therefore, i dont think Indian Army is inept in any way. however I cant say the same about that large majority of the Indian Army jingonists.

:army: over and out

 

[Spring Onion]

come on!! we ALL know that Pakistan was never more well equiped than India,

Yes you are right from the very begining India was having edge over Pakistan in millitary equipment. We only fought through our will and committement.

and still isnt. Im not saying that any army lacks committment, Im just saying that PA was better committed and fought better and had better strategy than the IA. One of your generals, (forgetting the name) has even written a book, which is quite famous which states that IA had poor strategy, comittment etc.

I agree with as it is not that your army lacks professionalism its just the way soldiers of Pakistan Army are trained. No matter how much modern or for that matter u can say even flamboyant but when there is any emergency or war they have only one aim that is to fight with committment without fear of death pluse with their strong believe in their faith.

I remmber during after Kargil during standoff between the two countries even PA jawans were ready to go to war with full committement despite the fact they did not visist their homes for a long time.

During debates you will face some kind of those comments that will incite you to go in a pathan mode.Lets learn the etiquettes and be careful in the future.

Now webby this is very unfair. such language is not atributed to Pathans only so be fair and appology on ur part is due in this case.

 

[Bull]

Yes you are right from the very begining India was having edge over Pakistan in millitary equipment. We only fought through our will and committement..

You people are still stuck with the 1 PA jawan = 10 IA jawan syndrome.

No matter how much modern or for that matter u can say even flamboyant but when there is any emergency or war they have only one aim that is to fight with committment without fear of death pluse with their strong believe in their faith..

You mean jawans dont fear for their lives. Showm me one soildier who says that , everybody loves their life.

I remmber during after Kargil during standoff between the two countries even PA jawans were ready to go to war with full committement despite the fact they did not visist their homes for a long time.

Do you remember how you came to know about that ?

 

[Spring Onion]

You people are still stuck with the 1 PA jawan = 10 IA jawan syndrome.

Bull i dint say that and BTW its not a syndrome its just that there difference of faith between the soldiers of two armies and indeed on this front PA soldiers have much stronger thn urs.

You mean jawans dont fear for their lives. Showm me one soildier who says that , everybody loves their life.
Do you remember how you came to know about that ?

My dear indeed everyone loves his/her life again there is a difference of belief.
Now showing you any such soldier i wish someday u can come i will show you

I mocked with a jawan that what if war broke, he replied " Main akaila hi kafi hon un k 10 -- k lia"

and answer to both of ur comments is that i had met them during that time though i was at college junior level at that time. i was in contact with, many and it was amazing for me that officers and jawans as well, of Pakistan Army were so much eager to lay down their lives for motherland.
And at one time we all just laught it off when they both one senior officer and a jawan said it was useless that they were sitting, eating and waiting, wish if the war was going on we had laid down our lives.

 

[GOD OF WAR]

You people are still stuck with the 1 PA jawan = 10 IA jawan syndrome.

there have been countless examples in history when smaller armies have emasculated the might and pride of a larger army. And whats wrong in having a high morale?!? ok u gotta keep realistic, but u get my point dont you sir?


You mean jawans dont fear for their lives. Showm me one soildier who says that , everybody loves their life.


Keeping theological ideologies aside, ofcourse, as i mentioned earlier, it is very important for s soldier to believe in something worthy enough for which he may have to lay down his life. This also motivates him to be a soldier, to be prepared, to bear hardship and to train harder than the enemy.

TRUST ME SIR, we DON'T fear death, We LOVE death, to die gloriously in battle is no new philosophy. Im sure u know a lil of 'BUSHIDO'. Forget the Jawans, 85% of the CV population is also ready to do that. Dont get me wrong Sir, we value life, but we cherish honour the most. Most of the PAkistani ethnicities, especially Baluch, Pashtuns are a very warlike people, not warjunkies, but warriors. they are naturally galent and very hardy. Sindhis are a close second.

As muslims, its part of our faith to die while struggling in the path of truth and rightousness, if it comes to that.

You can teach a man how to FIGHT; but you cannot teach him how to DIE

:army:

 

[Bull]

Bull i dint say that and BTW its not a syndrome its just that there difference of faith between the soldiers of two armies and indeed on this front PA soldiers have much stronger thn urs..

Well you said NO and then you are repeating the exact words below.

I mocked with a jawan that what if war broke, he replied " Main akaila hi kafi hon un k 10 -- k lia".

I say bigger dialogue than that when i pick up fights.

My dear indeed everyone loves his/her life again there is a difference of belief.and answer to both of ur comments is that i had met them during that time though i was at college junior level at that time. .

Your knowledge is limited to the pakistani side. Have you met any from the IA? So dont come and comment on things you dont know.

i was in contact with, many and it was amazing for me that officers and jawans as well, of Pakistan Army were so much eager to lay down their lives for motherland. And at one time we all just laught it off when they both one senior officer and a jawan said it was useless that they were sitting, eating and waiting, wish if the war was going on we had laid down our lives.

Now shall i ask you, why are they so sure they are going to die if they fight for their motherland.

 

[Bull]

You mean jawans dont fear for their lives. Showm me one soildier who says that , everybody loves their life.

Go and read what i wrote and what Jana wrote and then try to understand it. It was jana who was saying abt NO FEAR and FAITH , not me.

 

[GOD OF WAR]

Go and read what i wrote and what Jana wrote and then try to understand it. It was jana who was saying abt NO FEAR and FAITH , not me.

Im not sure wat u are refering to Bull, kindly detail. FYI, i did read the post before answering

 

[Bull]

Im not sure wat u are refering to Bull, kindly detail. FYI, i did read the post before answering

Jana was the one who was and is saying they dont care for their life, i said they care for the lives as any other human would.

But you got confused and thought its me who is saying the Jawans doesnt care for their lives.

 

[Spring Onion]

Sorry posted twice so deleted.

 

[GOD OF WAR]

Jana was the one who was and is saying they dont care for their life, i said they care for the lives as any other human would.

But you got confused and thought its me who is saying the Jawans doesnt care for their lives.

Hey Bull...

I think its quite easy to desypher from my posts that Im supporting Jana's POV. Iguess u should be reading the posts carefully

 

[Spring Onion]

Well you said NO and then you are repeating the exact words below.

That was the real soldier saying it means he had the confidence in himself and strong faith.

Your knowledge is limited to the pakistani side. Have you met any from the IA? So dont come and comment on things you dont know.

I was talking about strong committment of Pakistan Army Soldiers and not about Indian Army's lack of comittement so ur above comment was out of topic. Please read again.

Now shall i ask you, why are they so sure they are going to die if they fight for their motherland.

They did not say they are going to die forsure, What they say that they will sacrifice life for the country and the main thing is they go to war with the same spirit no wordly benefits in mind.
I remmbered i cried for a martyred brother and his coursemates and other officers said they wished if they also go while their boots on.

And Bull i was not only talking abt Jawans but also About Officers