Afghanistan war: Just what was the point?

[Stannis Baratheon]

progressive muslims worldwide

And what exactly is this progressive Muslim you are talking about! Those who would drink alcohol, follow Western lifestyles, be okay with anyone who insults Islam or the Prophet and call it freedom of speech. But when it comes to education, they severely lack in it.

and do you mean it was people of mars who were your "mubarak supporters" and therefore overthrew morsi.

Those were political employees, just like the Awami League or BNP employees in Bangladesh or any other political party elsewhere.

morsi was a dog of nato and one of the beneficiaries of the nato-arranged "arab spring" program... good that the caretaker government of sisi killed morsi supporters and jailed many more.

Morsi wasn't a dog of NATO, he opposed the Al-Saud family, NATO's biggest asset in the Middle East and they are financiers of some of the terror organization you mentioned. SISI on the other hand is a puppet of that family.

And BTW, what exactly is your base of comparing Taliban and Jamaat. Jamaat of either of Bangladesh, Pakistan or India (this one is affiliated with BJP) aren't involved in such activities. In fact, to my knowledge, the Jamaat of Bangladesh have its own women wing.

 

[TMA]

We were right and justified, in attacking the al-Qaeda that attacked us on 9/11. We were justified in attacking the Taliban government that gave them aid and sanctuary. We were arrogant and wrong to think we were going to turn Afghanistan into some sort of western democracy. We should have been satisfied with clearing out as many terrorist forces as possible, killing Osama bin-Laden and his chief lieutenants, and then withdrawing with the full understanding that we may have to go back in periodically, if Afghanistan continued to be used as a base for those who would do us harm. "Nation building", on the other hand, simply did not and does not work in societies that have no history of true democratic values, individual rights, etc., as defined by the West. We were as naive and arrogant in Afghanistan as we were in Iraq and as we have been in our idiotic and misguided support for the so-called "Arab Spring", which has been an unmitigated disaster.

If it were up to me, we would have...

1. Never stayed in Afghanistan.

2. Never invaded Iraq.

3. Never green-lighted Mubarak's ouster in Egypt.

4. Never have intervened in Libya.

5. Would have stayed completely neutral in the Syrian civil war.

The 9/11 attacks were false flag attacks designed to galvanize and convince public opinion for war..."a new pearl harbour"...

Why?

To give to NATO and Israel and by way of a convergence of interests Bharat bases to operate in Afghanistan.

Why have bases there?

To spread destabilization into Pakistan to "balkanize her" eventually.

To contain China.

To contain Russia.

This talk of "human rights", "nation building" etc etc is just propaganda to convince American and World public opinion to stay on lest the public find out what are the real reasons.

The US had to invade Iraq as that was in the strategic interests of Israel. Same with supporting Khawrij terrorists in Libya and Syria. It is in the strategic interests of Israel.

Your country is being used!!! Once she is finally spent she will be dumped!!

 

[Desertfalcon]

The 9/11 attacks were false flag attacks...

I stopped reading your post after that. I just don't waste my time on ideas that are either insane , or just plain idiotic.

 

[TMA]

I stopped reading your post after that. I just don't waste my time on ideas that are either insane , or just plain idiotic.

Let me get this straight, do you believe that a bunch of men trained in Afghanistan hijacked commercial airliners in the US and then flew them into two buildings and then caused three buildings to come down in free fall in New York City, all the while managing to evade the worlds most sophisticated defence system? They did all of this on their own??

Then before the dust had settled, the US authorities knew who were the perpetrators and where they were based?

 

[Desertfalcon]

Let me get this straight, do you believe that a bunch of men trained in Afghanistan hijacked commercial airliners in the US and then flew them into two buildings and then caused three buildings to come down in free fall in New York City, all the while managing to evade the worlds most sophisticated defence system?

Well, there was no "defence system" to protect against what they did and yes, I believe it and so does every other sane person who lived through it. Really, no offence, but I just am not going to waste my time on nut-job, conspiracy theories. It's pointless.

 

[TMA]

Well, there was no "defence system" to protect against what they did and yes, I believe it and so does every other sane person who lived through it. Really, no offence, but I just am not going to waste my time on nut-job, conspiracy theories. It's pointless.

By defence system I meant the US Airforce that is responsible for the protection of US Airspace. You know when planes get hijacked and go off course...a nation's airforce is meant to respond...

There are a lot sane people who are brave enough and have the integrity of respecting their own intellect who challenge the offical conspiracy theory as any sane person would. I mean two planes go into two buildings in NYC and three buildings come down in free fall??

It is not pointless. If the official conspiracy theory is false then this whole "war on terror" is being based upon falsehood!!! Do you not want to why? Are you not curious??

It seems to me that the only "nut-job, conspiracy" theory is the offical one. You do not seem like an open minded critical thinking person...it's a shame...

 

[jamal18]

the ikhwaanis and their south asian counterparts ( tableeghi jamaat ) are terrorists and related to each other... both have always been employed by nato for regime-change action against socialist/progressive governments in muslim-majority countries or against progressive muslims worldwide.

in truth, it is the tableeghi jamaat of south asia ( india, originally ) that is responsible directly and indirectly in the formation of most fake-muslim terrorist groups in the world, whether boko haram, whether jemah islamiya, whether taliban, whether hizb-ut-tahrir, and so on.

and do you mean it was people of mars who were your "mubarak supporters" and therefore overthrew morsi.

morsi was a dog of nato and one of the beneficiaries of the nato-arranged "arab spring" program... good that the caretaker government of sisi killed morsi supporters and jailed many more.

The Ikhwan were a peaceful organization that was the democratically elected government of Egypt. Morsi a 'dog of nato'?.

So what was Mubarak, a man who abandoned the Arab cause for thirty pieces of US silver?

And but the way, have you noticed the pin drop silence by the forces of democracy at the end of democracy in Egypt?

Yes, they want democracy, except when the Muslims choose a government they want!

I stopped reading your post after that. I just don't waste my time on ideas that are either insane , or just plain idiotic.

You know, I had exactly the same view as you. Then I investigated it further. Check out youtube videos.

For those who think it's all conspiracy theories, try 'architects and engineers for truth' on 911. More than 2000 certified engineers and Architects who think it was an inside job.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

I live in riverside county california---and from my backyard---I can see mountain peaks 6-7 thousand feet high----here and there there maybe one aroun 10 k feet elevation.

So---the perception of the americans in the mountain warfare was basically nill---mountain warfare above 8000 feet.

Yes---the U S military had some alpine training---but mostly climbing---not digging in deep and fighting a war.

9/11 happens---the U S is upset---some want surgical strikes to take OBL some want to invade---weapons produced after GW1 need to be tested as well and old stock need to be utilized and new stock to fill in the stores.

The way the U S went into this war was with a very poor war strategy---. Just started bombing from the north and pushed all of them to the south---and then into the formidable mountains of Fata.

The enemy escapes twice in front of the U S forces with his entourage and the U S military is basically watching it like a video game of escape from kandhar and escape from across afghanistan into the mountains of pakistan.

One of these days---the american would need to take their elected officials and military generals to task for that failure of that primary task.

If Osama had been taken out on in the first few days of the war---and the war was successful---the U S would have taken all the credit---and in failure---!!!!!