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Afghanistan situation is volatile, out of Pakistan's control: Moeed Yusuf

Pakistan is in a quandary. It cannot openly help taliban openly and risk being maligned and it cannot ask taliban to fight the afghan govt because hindutvadis and americans will jump in to export the civil war in Pakistan.

In my humblest of opinions, I would suggest Taliban take as much territory as peaceful as possible and leave Kabul for now and govern the country from Kandahar.

Yes Kabul is important for international legitimacy, but storming it will lead to a huge civil war with massive destruction and Pakistan will also suffer.

The aim can be to starve the Afghan govt and relinquish their control slowly by forcing them to agree to conditions favorable to Taliban. They strip off all legitimacy of the afghan govt slowly.
 
Well, the State of Pakistan seems to differ with you.

I do not think so.

The only difference is that the official stance would be a little subtle while my posts may be very crude.
Not true a government where Taliban are majority shareholders but not fully controller is what is suitable for Pakistan.

Why is that so? North Alliance are in bed with India & Iran.

Just get rid of them from Afghanistan.
 
He is right, don’t underestimate US , they definitely planned something very very bad for Afghanistan and its neighboring countries specially Pakistan
Hakikat is talking about India
 
Taliban capture key Afghanistan border crossings
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An Afghan National Army (ANA) soldier searches a man at a checkpoint in the Guzara district of Herat province, Afghanistan July 9, 2021. REUTERS/Jalil Ahmad
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image captionAfghan soldiers search a man at a checkpoint in Herat province. The army has lost ground to the Taliban.
The Taliban have captured major border crossings with Iran and Turkmenistan in a sweeping offensive across northern Afghanistan, officials say.
The militants say they seized two key border towns - Islam Qala near Iran, and Torghundi bordering Turkmenistan.
Video footage appeared to show Taliban forces taking down the Afghan flag from the roof of a border customs office.
The Taliban are rapidly retaking land across Afghanistan as the US-led mission removes the last of its troops.
Taliban officials say their fighters have taken control of 85% of territory in Afghanistan - a claim impossible to independently verify and disputed by the government.
Other estimates have put the amount of territory the Taliban controls at more than a third of the country's 400 districts, including an arc of land from the Iranian border in the west to the frontier with China on the other side of the country.

The Americans earlier this week quietly departed from Bagram airfield, a sprawling base that was the centre of US operations in Afghanistan and once held tens of thousands of troops.
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Afghan officials acknowledged the loss of the Islam Qala and Torghundi border crossings, both in Herat province.
The Islam Qala crossing is one of the biggest trade gateways into Iran, generating an estimated $20m (£14m) in monthly revenue for the government. The Torghundi border town is one of two trade gateways into Turkmenistan.
Afghan forces are trying to recapture the two border crossings, a government spokesperson said.
"All Afghan security forces including the border units are present in the area, and efforts are under way to recapture the site," interior ministry spokesman Tareq Arian told the AFP news agency.
Zabihullah Mujahid, a spokesman for the Taliban, said the Islam Qala crossing was "under our full control".

Reports said Taliban fighters had seized five districts in Herat without a fight.

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Earlier this week, more than 1,000 members of the Afghan security forces fled into Tajikistan, which lies north-east of Afghanistan, as the Taliban advanced around them.
Russia on Friday said the Taliban had taken control of about two-thirds of the Afghan-Tajik border in a swift advance. Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said Moscow was urging all sides in Afghanistan to "show restraint".
The reports came hours after US President Joe Biden defended his administration's decision to withdraw from Afghanistan after 20 years of war.
"I will not send another generation of Americans to war in Afghanistan with no reasonable expectation of achieving a different outcome," Mr Biden said.
He admitted it was "highly unlikely" the Afghan government would be able to control the entire country.


media captionBiden: 'We did not go to Afghanistan to nation build'
Some US intelligence analysts fear the Taliban could seize control of the country within six months, according to an assessment distributed to officials in June.
Afghan President Ashraf Ghani has insisted that Afghan security forces are capable of keeping the Taliban at bay, and Afghan forces appear to have retaken lost ground in some areas.
According to officials, troops on Wednesday recaptured government buildings in the western city of Qala-e-Naw - the first major provincial capital entered by the Taliban in their latest offensive.

media caption'For Afghanistan's war to end, there has to be a political agreement'
UK Chief of Defence Staff General Sir Nick Carter told the BBC's Today programme that one of three scenarios would likely unfold in Afghanistan.
Firstly, the Afghan government could "hold the ring, as it's demonstrating through holding all the provincial capitals at the moment", he said.
"The second scenario I think is a very sad scenario, where the country fractures and you see the government collapse. You see the Taliban perhaps controlling part of the country, and the other nationalities and ethnicities controlling other parts of the country, like we saw in the 1990s," he said.
"A third, more hopeful, scenario, is where you actually see a political compromise and talks occurring. US operations in Afghanistan will officially end on 31 August, but the vast majority of foreign troops have already left."
Peace talks between the government and the Taliban continue, but the talks have regularly stalled and failed to progress significantly.
Twenty years of conflict in Afghanistan – what happened when?
From 9/11, to intense fighting on the ground, and now full withdrawal of US-led forces, here’s what happened.


9/11
11 September 2001
Al-Qaeda, led by Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, carries out the largest terror attack ever conducted on US soil.
The World Trade Centre is reduced to rubble
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Four commercial airliners are hijacked. Two are flown into the World Trade Centre in New York, which collapses. One hits the Pentagon building in Washington, and one crashes into a field in Pennsylvania. Nearly 3,000 people are killed.

First air strikes
7 October 2001
A US-led coalition bombs Taliban and al-Qaeda facilities in Afghanistan. Targets include Kabul, Kandahar and Jalalabad.
The Taliban, who took power after a decade-long Soviet occupation was followed by civil war, refuse to hand over Bin Laden. Their air defences and small fleet of fighter aircraft are destroyed.

Fall of Kabul
13 November 2001
The Northern Alliance, a group of anti-Taliban rebels backed by coalition forces, enters Kabul as the Taliban flee the city.
Coalition-backed Northern Alliance fighters ride tanks into Kabul as the Taliban retreat
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By the 13 November 2001, all Taliban have either fled or been neutralised. Other cities quickly fall.

New constitution
26 January 2004
After protracted negotiations at a “loya jirga” or grand assembly, the new Afghan constitution is signed into law. The constitution paves the way for presidential elections in October 2004.

Hamid Karzai becomes president
7 December 2004
Hamid Karzai led anti-Taliban groups around Kandahar before becoming president
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Hamid Karzai, the leader of the Popalzai Durrani tribe, becomes the first president under the new constitution. He serves two five-year terms as president.

UK troops deployed to Helmand
May 2006
British troops arrive in Helmand province, a Taliban stronghold in the south of the country.
Soldiers of the Parachute Regiment lead the first UK deployment to Helmand
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Their initial mission is to support reconstruction projects, but they are quickly drawn into combat operations. More than 450 British troops lose their lives in Afghanistan over the course of the conflict.

Obama’s surge
17 February 2009
US President Barack Obama approves a major increase in the number of troops sent to Afghanistan. At their peak, they number about 140,000.
US troops in intense combat operations in the south of the country
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The so-called “surge” is modelled on US strategy in Iraq where US forces focussed on protecting the civilian population as well as killing insurgent fighters.

Osama Bin Laden killed
2 May 2011
Bin Laden is traced to a compound located less than a mile from a Pakistani military academy
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The leader of al-Qaeda is killed in an assault by US Navy Seals on a compound in Abbottabad in Pakistan. Bin Laden’s body is removed and buried at sea. The operation ends a 10-year hunt led by the CIA. The confirmation that Bin Laden had been living on Pakistani soil fuels accusations in the US that Pakistan is an unreliable ally in the war on terror.

Death of Mullah Omar
23 April 2013
The founder of the Taliban, Mullah Mohammed Omar, dies. His death is kept secret for more than two years.
The Taliban leader is believed to have suffered a shrapnel wound to his right eye in the 1980s
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According to Afghan intelligence, Mullah Omar dies of health problems at a hospital in the Pakistani city of Karachi. Pakistan denies that he was in the country.

Nato ends combat operations
28 December 2014
At a ceremony in Kabul, Nato ends its combat operations in Afghanistan. With the surge now over, the US withdraws thousands of troops. Most of those who remain focus on training and supporting the Afghan security forces.

Taliban resurgence
2015
The Taliban launch a series of suicide attacks, car bombings and other assaults. The parliament building in Kabul, and the city of Kunduz are attacked. Islamic State militants begin operations in Afghanistan.
Kabul's international airport is struck on 10 August 2015
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Death toll announcement
25 January 2019
Afghan President Ashraf Ghani says more than 45,000 members of his country’s security forces have been killed since he became leader in 2014. The figure is far higher than previously thought.

US signs deal with Taliban
29 February 2020
The US and the Taliban sign an “agreement for bringing peace” to Afghanistan, in Doha, Qatar. The US and Nato allies agree to withdraw all troops within 14 months if the militants uphold the deal.
The deal lays out a timetable for full withdrawal
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Date for final withdrawal
11 September 2021
US forces are scheduled to withdraw from Afghanistan by 11 September 2021, exactly 20 years since 9/11. There are strong indications that the withdrawal may be complete before the official deadline.
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May I add to the late Gen Hamid Gul's delusions.

'It will be written after Russia, USA have defeated, succes will impose on Pakistan decades of chaos and destruction emanating from Afghanistan that we helped to destroy'.

'It will be written the fire I lit will burn USSR, USA and Pakistan'.

This is so idiotic I sometimes question why there is issues with intellectual property with some it most be the cousin marriage... You are talking about something none-threat instead you are FACING only one SINGLE existential threat in your whole life and by Allah if you sleep on that it will overrun you and end you completely that existential is India and the situation is volatile there not in Afghanistan don't weaken your own power base.. The situation is 1000 times more volatile in India despite not being in civil war... Keep your eye on the ball.... It is in Pakistan's interest that Taliban comes to power and things stabalize in Afghanistan and enters a calm period.. The Main focus is India it has become more volatile than anywhere else in the world complete communal unrest and cesspool
 
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Pushtuns are not a threat to Pakistan. The threat is from Tajiks, Uzbeks and other groups from CARs.

Taliban ruling Afghanistan means Pakistan is controlling Afghanistan.
why is this scumsucker tolerated here? he is littering the forum with his sarcastic and many a time downright misleading tripe and no one stops him.

in stark contrast to this whensoever I manage to score a hit against the "beautiful" one of shonardesh or bharati teli, the freaking post disappears with a note like:
  • supposed to report trolls, not become one
  • that was low by any standard
when I scored against aziqbal the posts vanished very discretely (no reason given)

@AgNoStiC MuSliM who dun it?
 
Pushtuns are not a threat to Pakistan. The threat is from Tajiks, Uzbeks and other groups from CARs.

Taliban ruling Afghanistan means Pakistan is controlling Afghanistan.
Prime Minister Khan is in Uzbekistan as we speak with a massive business delegation finalizing a PTA.

The fact is that Pakistan has better relations with almost every single other country dominated by the smaller ethnic groups in Afghanistan (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan etc) than it does with Afghanistan, which has a Pashtun plurality that is half the size of the Pashtun population in Pakistan.

But you are correct in a very indirect way - Afghanistan needs to come to terms with the fact that as a State that is utterly destroyed, humiliated and wracked by civil war and ethnic & sectarian strife and at the bottom of every possible human development indicator, it has absolutely ZERO chance of changing its destiny without coming to terms with the fact that the Durand Line is the international border and that it needs to grovel and plead for forgiveness from Pakistan and rebuild the relationship with Pakistan that it has destroyed over decades of foolish and utterly imbecilic delusions of past grandeur.
 
Prime Minister Khan is in Uzbekistan as we speak with a massive business delegation finalizing a PTA.

The fact is that Pakistan has better relations with almost every single other country dominated by the smaller ethnic groups in Afghanistan (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan etc) than it does with Afghanistan, which has a Pashtun plurality that is half the size of the Pashtun population in Pakistan.

But you are correct in a very indirect way - Afghanistan needs to come to terms with the fact that as a State that is utterly destroyed, humiliated and wracked by civil war and ethnic & sectarian strife and at the bottom of every possible human development indicator, it has absolutely ZERO chance of changing its destiny without coming to terms with the fact that the Durand Line is the international border and that it needs to grovel and plead for forgiveness from Pakistan and rebuild the relationship with Pakistan that it has destroyed over decades of foolish and utterly imbecilic delusions of past grandeur.




When Afghans stop blaming Pakistan for all their problems and take responsibility for their own actions, things will start to improve for them. Heck some Afghan men even blame Pakistan for their wives leaving them............ :lol:
 
you are correct in a very indirect way
-- at the risk of sounding sarcastic and inviting the wrath of the eagle -- really? then you might also need to disagree with my posts listed below and issue 4 or more warning points for annoying and being 'sarcastic' to this here newest of muslim heroes

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/afgh...ce-if-taliban-talks-fail.716964/post-13228659
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/egyp...-to-ethiopia-dam-dispute.716783/post-13225229
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...iban-gains-reach-punjwai.716785/post-13225036
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...iban-gains-reach-punjwai.716785/post-13225018
 
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-- at the risk of sounding sarcastic and inviting the wrath of the eagle -- really? then you might also need to disagree with my posts listed below and issue 4 or more warning points for annoying and being 'sarcastic' to this here newest of muslim heroes

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/afgh...ce-if-taliban-talks-fail.716964/post-13228659
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/egyp...-to-ethiopia-dam-dispute.716783/post-13225229
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...iban-gains-reach-punjwai.716785/post-13225036
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...iban-gains-reach-punjwai.716785/post-13225018
I didn’t say you were wrong - ‘you are correct in a very indirect way’, when read in the context of my subsequent comments, was an attempt at sarcasm, though apparently a poor one 😁
 
I didn’t say you were wrong - ‘you are correct in a very indirect way’, when read in the context of my subsequent comments, was an attempt at sarcasm, though apparently a poor one 😁
oops ! senile ole me getting the wrong end of the stick again. :ashamed:

should have read the whole thing instead of stopping and reacting at ‘you are correct in a very indirect way’,
 
Pushtuns are not a threat to Pakistan. The threat is from Tajiks, Uzbeks and other groups from CARs.

Taliban ruling Afghanistan means Pakistan is controlling Afghanistan.

This is the type of ethno-centric propaganda that hostile intel agencies use. Sure there are legitimate cases of racism, but please do not get that conflated with foreign-funded terrorism, the erosion of their funding and infrastructure is paramount. This is and has been a battle of intel and there's a very long way to go, but the tide has seemingly turned for Pakistan rather than against.
 
When Afghans stop blaming Pakistan for all their problems and take responsibility for their own actions, things will start to improve for them. Heck some Afghan men even blame Pakistan for their wives leaving them............ :lol:
That’s the gist of my comment.

Afghanistan needs Pakistan, Pakistan does not really need Afghanistan though Pakistan-Afghanistan cooperation will be good for both countries, but mostly it will be Afghanistan that will gain.

Yes, there are strong ethnic, tribal, religious & familial linkages between Pakistan & Afghanistan, but those will be useless and Afghanistan will never prosper until it comes to terms with Pakistan’s existence, stops contesting the internationally recognized Pakistan-Afghanistan border and behaves like a good neighbor and brother.
 
May I add to the late Gen Hamid Gul's delusions.

'It will be written after Russia, USA have defeated, succes will impose on Pakistan decades of chaos and destruction emanating from Afghanistan that we helped to destroy'.

'It will be written the fire I lit will burn USSR, USA and Pakistan'.
Pakistan did what was necessary to do. war is not a joke and it always cost lives but looks at the bright side it has changed us and our forces into battle-hardened force and gains the confidence to achieve an "absolutely not" position. today not even uncle sam can deter us. so yeah we lost and gain a lot.
 
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