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@A-Team My friend you need to tell this neanderthal that ethnic nationalism will rip our world apart. I think you know I am history fan and do lot of reading as hobby. Today we live in 2016. The borders are as they exist. Everything in our part of the world was shaped by Europeans. This is fact. India. Pakistan. Made in Britain. Afghanistan. Fabricated by Britain/Tsarist Russia. You read up on the borders being drawn by British/Russian officials and leaving Afghanistan as "buffer zone". We can look at this later in another thread.
Afghanistan norther boundary was fixed by British/Russian > http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/boundaries-iii
However what you need to explain to your uncouth countryman is that if ethnic nationalism along Afghan/Pashtun pathway took off it would follow a logical course where all Pashtuns from both sides of the border would join together, But then consider the Hazara Mongol? Why the hell should they stay in "Pashtunistan"? Ditto Uzbeks. Ditto Turkmen? Ditto Tajiks? Ditto Nuristani? As those people are not Afghans within the definition of ethnic nationalism.
On the other hand if you contrive that Hazara are Afghan in national sense and can be included in a confederated ethnic nationlism then the exact same argument can be made for Pakistan. We can also contrive that we each have ethnic groups but all are Pakistani. In other words there are two layers of existance.
Finally do explain to your countryman the bloodshed that would flow. Would Pashtunistan throw out the Hazara? Would K-PK throw out the Punjabi. What would happen to areas like Attock, Mianwali etc The populations do not have clean lines in Pakistan or Afghanistan. Would killing on mass scale take place. Do we really want that? Are we not suffered enough? Is this region not backward enough as it is?
Where are you going to draw the lines? And if you insist on our side of Durand there are only Pashtuns then by god we expect on other side of Durand to be clean and pure Pashtun zone. We do not want any dirt on other side either. Map below with the reality.
Have real good look at this. Pakistan and Afghanistan both are multi-ethnic countries.
I let @A-Team explain what I said. I think he is on the same page as me.
Afghanistan norther boundary was fixed by British/Russian > http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/boundaries-iii
However what you need to explain to your uncouth countryman is that if ethnic nationalism along Afghan/Pashtun pathway took off it would follow a logical course where all Pashtuns from both sides of the border would join together, But then consider the Hazara Mongol? Why the hell should they stay in "Pashtunistan"? Ditto Uzbeks. Ditto Turkmen? Ditto Tajiks? Ditto Nuristani? As those people are not Afghans within the definition of ethnic nationalism.
On the other hand if you contrive that Hazara are Afghan in national sense and can be included in a confederated ethnic nationlism then the exact same argument can be made for Pakistan. We can also contrive that we each have ethnic groups but all are Pakistani. In other words there are two layers of existance.
Finally do explain to your countryman the bloodshed that would flow. Would Pashtunistan throw out the Hazara? Would K-PK throw out the Punjabi. What would happen to areas like Attock, Mianwali etc The populations do not have clean lines in Pakistan or Afghanistan. Would killing on mass scale take place. Do we really want that? Are we not suffered enough? Is this region not backward enough as it is?
Where are you going to draw the lines? And if you insist on our side of Durand there are only Pashtuns then by god we expect on other side of Durand to be clean and pure Pashtun zone. We do not want any dirt on other side either. Map below with the reality.
Have real good look at this. Pakistan and Afghanistan both are multi-ethnic countries.
Ditto Pakistan. We all have differant ethnic groups but federated under one flag like you have differant ethnic groups federated under one flag.n Afghanistan we call these other groups
I let @A-Team explain what I said. I think he is on the same page as me.
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