Afghanistan hikes up entry tax on Pakistani cargo trucks by 100pc

[Max]

- China indulged in this when they joined QCG process
- Because Afghan security effects them directly
- Because for China Afghanistan is not in Africa but its sharing a border
- Because China also have economic interests with regards minerals and also OBAR vision.

China or Indian economic involvement are not mutually exclusive. Iran does the same with China and India and she is also your neighbour.

So Senator Mushahid Hussain attaches Afghan peace with Kashmire then we Afghans take Pakistan position vis-a-vis Afghan peace as pack of lies, next time you will attach Afghan peace with Congolese diamonds.

We are not idiots miss



Well because you seconded my position and the rest is irrelevant



Link?

source of your claim that you accepted China's mediation and Pakistan rejected? Source of China was ready to mediate?

 

[Sanchez]

Seriously how is the border fencing gonna help when Tali leadership is openly recuriting in Quetta, when Mullah Mansoor gets killed with a Pakistani passport in Quetta, please don't insult us with this,

Easy proposition :
Anyways here is a proposition, since we have a chinese friend in the discussion, can you table your issues with Afghanistan like TTP, BLA ... and Afghans table issues like Afghan Talis, Haqqanis and we both take action against these elements and then ask China to be a third party to verify all of this because we both trust China.

This is like a an easy proposition for you, no?

Well guess what Afghanistan offered this to Pakistan for China to verify these actions and Pakistan turned it down, and you know why because how on earth can you fool the Chinese when you run an industrila scale insurgency out of Quetta, Karachi etc.

We are not idiots.

@Sanchez

I can see the problems between Afghans and Pakistanis. For the long run you two people would finally come together to develop a prosperous region. Either of your two countries is turmoil would be disturbing to the other. I believe that China has expressed will of help to your president and that we can join the process to re-build your country. I hope we all may get along...

I have no knowledge on the role of Chinese government meddling dialogue between Pakistan and Afghanistan. China would not automatically accept the role or actively involve in if your two are not genuinely recognizing the need.

 

[Finer]

My feeling is that Afghanistan can only solve your problems by working with Chinese. The reasons are:
1, We are neighbours but not religiously locked
2，We have no pre-conditions like the US or India
3，We are friends to your “enemy”

I believe the best thing is that Pakistan, Afghanistan and China can work together to develop the region.

I think it is too late for that. Despite of Pakistan large investment in Afghanistan totaling more than 500 billion rupees including housing more than 4 million unofficial Afghan refugees was not enough to convince Afghanistan even though trade with Pakistan will result in the long term benefit for Pakistan and Afghanistan together than with India.

Unfortunately, Afghanistan's hatred for Pakistan is clouding their rational mind at this moment. Like Bangladesh, Afghanistan is emotionally invested to destroy its own for the sake of master [India]. Historian conquerors of Indians became slaves to the same Indians now. Who would have thunk?

The Afghan president after his inauguration went to China on his first state visit showcasing the importance we have give China.
Pakistan is not the enemy, we don't want to be enemies with anyone but we want Pakistan to change her policies vis-a-vis Afghanistan because it is in her interests and it's also Chinese interests.
We welcome any help that China provides in bringing security our economic betterment in the life of Afghans or region as a whole.

I know Chinese diplomats have been prodding Pakistan to change course when it comes to these proxies, this needs to become more overt.

Do you understand the definition economical betterment? Knowing China's pro-policy of Pakistan, and CPEC, that means no more India. Not only in the trade business with Pakistan in the long run is actually cheaper but also increase productivity of the business. Not to mention, the expansion of trade all the way to Turkey through Iran and to China and Russia. Everyone are on board already except Afghanistan that is determined to destroy its own to accommodate Indian markets which resulted the pricing increased hence inflation on Pakistan and Afghanistan together.

 

[A-Team]

I think it is too late for that. Despite of Pakistan large investment in Afghanistan totaling more than 500 billion rupees including housing more than 4 million unofficial Afghan refugees was not enough to convince Afghanistan even though trade with Pakistan will result in the long term benefit for Pakistan and Afghanistan together than with India.

Unfortunately, Afghanistan's hatred for Pakistan is clouding their rational mind at this moment. Like Bangladesh, Afghanistan is emotionally invested to destroy its own for the sake of master [India]. Historian conquerors of Indians became slaves to the same Indians now. Who would have thunk?



Do you understand the definition economical betterment? Knowing China's pro-policy of Pakistan, and CPEC, that means no more India. Not only in the trade business with Pakistan in the long run is actually cheaper but also increase productivity of the business. Not to mention, the expansion of trade all the way to Turkey through Iran and to China and Russia. Everyone are on board already except Afghanistan that is determined to destroy its own to accommodate Indian markets which resulted the pricing increased hence inflation on Pakistan and Afghanistan together.

What are yu talking abut? Have you seen the vision and speeches of Ghani, the guy can lecture your leadership and the region on economic integration. Stop teaching us about integration, we are all for it but talks of integration are meaningless when your proxies are being sent across the border.

We are not idiots.

 

[Devil Soul]

How about Pakistan increase the VISA fee for Afghans crossing into Pakistan......

 

[Finer]

What are yu talking abut? Have you seen the vision and speeches of Ghani, the guy can lecture your leadership and the region on economic integration. Stop teaching us about integration, we are all for it but talks of integration are meaningless when your proxies are being sent across the border.

We are not idiots.

Yes, You and your PM are idiots, no offense [didn't mean as to inflame debate - just making points]. No idiot throw away everything after the platform is being set up for you especially by Pakistan and China together channeling the diverse CPEC. If there is any nationthat doesn't benefit from CPEC, it is India. Unfortunately, it doesn't take much effort to convince Afghanistan to shoot its own foot.

Do you really think India will let CPEC slide without any resistance? Indians will do whatever it take to remain on the top of game which means sponsoring terrorism through Afghan-based terrorist outfit aka TTP as officially confessed by Ajit Doval in-charge of Indian NSA - personally hired by Genocidal PM who is anti-Islam.

Afghanistan doesn't even realize how stupid they sound right now given their closet collaboration with Indians, and to the extent, sabotaging their markets to accommodate Indian markets which is the source of inflation to begin with.

 

[A-Team]

I can see the problems between Afghans and Pakistanis. For the long run you two people would finally come together to develop a prosperous region. Either of your two countries is turmoil would be disturbing to the other. I believe that China has expressed will of help to your president and that we can join the process to re-build your country. I hope we all may get along...

I have no knowledge on the role of Chinese government meddling dialogue between Pakistan and Afghanistan. China would not automatically accept the role or actively involve in if your two are not genuinely recognizing the need.

China being part of the QCG initiative, which Afghanistan, China, Pakistan and US were party too was meant to bring peace to the region and remove the prbs between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Pakistan cries foul of Afghans sheltering TTP, BLA which use quote-unquote Afghan soil, the argument from the Afghan side was ok let us put our issues on the table, take actions against these problems and have China as neutral country verify all these actions. Now Afghanistan will take action against these elements that create issue for Pakistan from Afghan soil but will Pakistan do the same? They turned down the offer, why would Pakistan turned the offer of China verifying that no anti-Afghan elements are in Pakistani soil.
You see there is double talk coming out of Pakistan.

China must get involved : It is in your own interest, you will ask why below is a brief description.

I don't know how involved you are with chinese diplomacy, but the Chinese diplomat recognize this double talk by Pakistanis and have been privately pushing Pakistan to stop throwing these militants to Afghanistan, but this push by China must get more overt because if Afghanistan gets destabilized thanks to Pakistani proxies, guess what anti chinese militants will find a refuge in Afghanistan and target China, so it is in your interest to push, prod and force Pakistan to change course because in their intellect they don't understand the bigger picture.

Yes, You and your PM are idiots, no offense [didn't mean as to inflame debate - just making points]. No idiot throw away everything after the platform is being set up for you especially by Pakistan and China together channeling the diverse CPEC. If there is any nationthat doesn't benefit from CPEC, it is India. Unfortunately, it doesn't take much effort to convince Afghanistan to shoot its own foot.

Thank you for calling me names, shows the how grown ups argue and not resorting to cursing.
Ghani is not a PM, he is the president [ but then again one who curses, how would he know that ]

 

[niaz]

Undoubtedly Afghan gov’t action is a deliberate move and signals their displeasure towards Pakistan. However, trade relations are part of international diplomacy. Remember Pakistan stopping transit of goods to ISAF forces after 2011 NATO attack on Pakistani posts in Mohmand Agency.

Afghanistan has every right to either stop or increase their transit levy on Pakistani trucks. The matter needs to be resolved thru negotiation; else Pakistan can impose exactly the same transit fee on the goods meant for Afghanistan.

Nothing to be gained by cursing the Afghanis. Afghanistan is our neighbour and we have to somehow learn to live alongside an overtly hostile regime.

 

[A-Team]

source of your claim that you accepted China's mediation and Pakistan rejected? Source of China was ready to mediate?

Do you expect me to go around and post meeting minutes? don't be naive.

 

[Sanchez]

I think it is too late for that. Despite of Pakistan large investment in Afghanistan totaling more than 500 billion rupees including housing more than 4 million unofficial Afghan refugees was not enough to convince Afghanistan even though trade with Pakistan will result in the long term benefit for Pakistan and Afghanistan together than with India.

Unfortunately, Afghanistan's hatred for Pakistan is clouding their rational mind at this moment. Like Bangladesh, Afghanistan is emotionally invested to destroy its own for the sake of master [India]. Historian conquerors of Indians became slaves to the same Indians now. Who would have thunk?

Economic development needs a peaceful environment. I don't see why the problems can not be put aside. This might be important for both countries.

 

[A-Team]

Undoubtedly Afghan gov’t action is a deliberate move and signal’s their displeasure towards Pakistan. However, trade relations are part of international diplomacy. Remember Pakistan stopping transit of goods to ISAF forces after 2011 NATO attack on Pakistani posts in Mohmand Agency.

Afghanistan has every right to either stop or increase their transit levy on Pakistani trucks. The matter needs to be resolved thru negotiation; else Pakistan can impose exactly the same transit fee on the goods meant for Afghanistan.

Nothing to be gained by cursing the Afghanis. Afghanistan is our neighbour and we have to somehow learn to live alongside an overtly hostile regime.

Finally a sane post, but sadly there seems to be a minority of you in PDF or our part of the region.

Afghans may have a lot of faults but the outreach by Ghani towards Pakistan was geniune alas Pakistan didn't reciprocate. If Pakistan could not d business with Ghani then I say Pakistan doesn't want a deal but will only do business when the Afghans win the war [ the current Burka offensive ] on the battlefield alas with many innocent losing their lives.

 

[Hyde]

5000 Afghani doesn't sound too much to me but will obviously raise the price of imported goods in Afghanistan.

Afghan government is going to punish its own people if they are making another attempt to unfair trade with Pakistan. Its only going to raise their cost of final product leading to inflation in Afghanistan

 

[A-Team]

Economic development needs a peaceful environment. I don't see why the problems can not be put aside. This might be important for both countries.

Look the Afghan proposition is very simple, instead of playing with words.

Pakistan puts all her complaints agains Afghanistan on the table

- TTP, BLA, Durand Line etc

Afghanistan puts all her complaints against Pakistan on the table

- Afghan Talis, Haqqanis etc

We both take action jointly and ask China to verify these actions as we both trust China, so what is stopping Pakistan from agreeing to this?

You see we are genuine in our outreach towards Pakistan as we believe in regional development, the ball is in Pakistan's court right now.

 

[Finer]

Economic development needs a peaceful environment. I don't see why the problems can not be put aside. This might be important for both countries.

The problem is India. Afghanistan would rather listen to India than Pakistan, even if it means poisoning itself to the death. Why? Because Afghanistan is historically known to be racist towards non-Afghan breeds, and to the event, they even opposed the creation of Pakistan in 1947. Not only that, the regions in Pakistan dominated by their own race chose Pakistan over Afghanistan during the partition. Afghanistan couldn't handle it, and ever since then, Afghanistan has been trying to sabotage Pakistan. Even in 60s they failed against Pakistan which at the time Ayub Khan was leader who happened to be their race but sent clear message to Afghanistan.

When the hatred goes into the deep enough, no amount of logical reasoning can convince otherwise. It is inevitable just as KSA and Iran are drawn to destroy each other for sectarian war thus in the process killing themselves.

I mean no idiot nation would want to jeopardize its future for the sake of Indian market which is the result of inflation akin to bad receipt for the economy of Afghanistan as whole. Not to mention, biting the hand that provides the opportunity for the expansion of trades including the possibility of global following by the support from Central Asia, Turkey, Iran, Russia and You aka China.

But Afghanistan is unique [height of stupidity]. I am beginning to understand why Afghanistan as nation failed miserably.

Look the Afghan proposition is very simple, instead of playing with words.

Pakistan puts all her complaints agains Afghanistan on the table

- TTP, BLA, Durand Line etc

Afghanistan puts all her complaints against Pakistan on the table

- Afghan Talis, Haqqanis etc

We both take action jointly and ask China to verify these actions as we both trust China, so what is stopping Pakistan from agreeing to this?

You see we are genuine in our outreach towards Pakistan as we believe in regional development, the ball is in Pakistan's court right now.

Cut to the point. Afghanistan wants India on Afghanistan-Pakistan transit and CPEC, hence the whole drama. Your own government made it official issue about India being left out.

Stop playing with the words. Even China knows that. Pakistan and China are not going to accept India no matter what. Afghanistan has bright future with China and Pakistan together. With China and Pakistan, that means no India.

Pakistan complaint is legit because it concerns the safety of CPEC. Indian-funded Afghan-based terrorist outfit aka TTP is threat to CPEC, Pakistan and China.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Why don't you get that we can't allow that in current circumstances.



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