Afghan war: Deepest attack inside Soviet Union

[Secur]

Emotions?

Hardly.

 

[Yazp]

Emotions?

Hardly.

Good, carry on then.

 

[Psychic]

The way you are arguing is typical of people that believe too much in the infallability of military and what they are officially told without utilizing their own critical mind. Its black and white thinking pattern. Each time you commit a blunder, merely saying "we had no other choice" won't do. Its a fact that the Pakistani planners don't have an idea of diplomacy and demonstate short sightedness and short term planning. Of course we are left to only make assumptions now, because the blunder has already been committed and we are fighting an offshoot of it today.

Whats with this country according to you, that it finds itself to make impossible choices (as per you) somehow? Some very unique geoghraphical location that can't be bypassed by any means? Or there ever can be a mistake on the part of the military which has run this country for majority of its years?



You don't accept your creations. In this case, the bad guy was trained and armed from Pakistan, don't pretend something that all of us know is false. And don't even ask for links on this one.



Afghanistan was already volatile, merely arming the "Afghans" would have done the trick. There was no need to radicalize the population, import and create Jihadis for a foreign war. That, is limited engagement which most of you won't understand because they have been fooled by the exaggerated threat and have little idea of ground realities of Afghanistan during that era. The Soviets came in to stabilize the communist regime which of course means that it wasn't stable and faced a local rebellion. Sell me anything better than "we needed to get our hands burned" because it makes no sense.

Badshaho when did I say that military cannot commit blunders? When I myself in one of my earlier posts indicated that supporting taliban was a mistake?
Sarkar cool down. I know the blunders of military leaders in 65,71but you want me to take something as a blunder which I think was not a blunder( arming mujahidden).
You really think that the Afghans, Arab mujahids etc needed a short course on radicalization from ISI? Perhaps you don't know the Afghan tribal society or the mindset of Arabs who travelled to Afghanistan.
As for me selling something better, I think I have made some progress in that regard already. Someone who was entirely opposed to arming mujaheddeen has now himself said

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merely arming the "Afghans" would have done the trick. There was no need to radicalize the population, import and create Jihadis for a foreign war. That, is limited engagement .

So you would have no problem if Pakistan had trained secular rebels, like there would have been some guarantee in their case that they would not bite back.
If you think that Soviet troops were some UN sort of peace keeping force which desended right from heavens to bring prosperity in Afghanistan and then return to SU then u r highly mistaken.

 

[Bratva]

I didn't even once argue that Pakistan shouldn't have done anything about it. I know better to continue that way. I argue that what we did, came back to bite us and there were better options at limited engagement. Also, the Soviet union advised Afghanistan to tone down the support for separatists in Baluchistan. Read some history, don't buy so heavily into the official propaganda narrative aimed at exaggerating the threat and provide "Mujahids" for so called jihad.

Even if I have and for the sake of argument, a no holds barred engagement was the way to go over limited engament, what wisdom lay in repeating the mistake again with creation of Taliban? Why don't you answer this question?

They said that and You believe them readily? height of naivety I would say. Even ISI is accused of double dealing where CT directorate which works with Foreign Intel agencies assure foreign partners about one thing and S directorate does the opposite of what is promised.

There were no better options. We badly wanted to keep American and other foreign partners boggled down in Afghan war so we can advance our nuclear program. If those so called Better options were exercised, could we have developed our nuclear program with Americans breathing down on our illicit black market purchases ?

Name one country whose proxy hasn't come to bite him back after it was done with it? It is the name of the game. Immediate threat triumphs long term engagement.

Creation of taliban was to stabilize the afghanistan pashtoon areas so to avoid another refugee crises. Was there any other way to stabilize afghanistan during that time ?

 

[Secur]

They said that and You believe them readily? height of naivety I would say. Even ISI is accused of double dealing where CT directorate which works with Foreign Intel agencies assure foreign partners about one thing and S directorate does the opposite of what is promised.

There were no better options. We badly wanted to keep American and other foreign partners boggled down in Afghan war so we can advance our nuclear program. If those so called Better options were exercised, could we have developed our nuclear program with Americans breathing down on our illicit black market purchases ?

Name one country whose proxy hasn't come to bite him back after it was done with it? It is the name of the game. Immediate threat triumphs long term engagement.

Creation of taliban was to stabilize the afghanistan pashtoon areas so to avoid another refugee crises. Was there any other way to stabilize afghanistan during that time ?

Refer to post #58. You don't poison your family if some cockroaches are present at home.

 

[Bratva]

Refer to post #58. You don't poison your family if some cockroaches are present at home.

It is easy to make assumptions and paint rosy pictures from the comfort of your house while not having an iota of idea what threat Pakistan had faced.


You say Soviets were only there to stabilize afghani government. Have you went through all the Intelligence archives of ISI to reach on to that conclusion or that of Soviets ? Did they had no attention of fanning Pashtoonistan and balochi elements with the help of Khad so to export there commie revolution to Balochistan and further into Sindh and Punjab ?

The volatile situation was affecting Pakistan dearly. Just like India was affected by bengali immigrants and decided to jump into 71 war. Pakistan faced similar situations and consequences. But since Bengalis were one ethnicity they stick to themselves. While Pashtoon and Non pashtoons couldn't go along and hence slipped backed in to the war

Instead of repeating rosy words of limited engagement, better options without giving any solutions and painting planners of that era as dimwits. You are no better than those arm chair generals who are no better than criticizing everything what come may.