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Afghan Taliban killed infant, raped US wife, says rescued Canadian man

Something smell fishy in the Joshua Boyle kidnapping story :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-Canada-says-kidnappers-killed-1-child.html

USA informed Pakistan about whereabout of Mr Boyle and his family crossing its borders... Then this guy is freed along with his family by Pakistani Forces in Pakistan and... now .. he seems reading a script and talking about haqqani network 3 times in only few seconds...all that when USA talked about Pakistan support to haqqani network...

It's not hard to connect dots .
 
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Why would he come in public and say something about his wife. Killing infant is enough to malign why dragging his wife to public about raping. strange.
 
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I do not believe the story. Why should the Afghan Taliban kill babies?

Something does not add up here.

Rape is a huge crime in Islam.
Tell that to kids blinded and blown that i use to see on daily basis in Peshawar hospitals .....since when they haven't killed children
 
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Personally I don't support any violence and what Taliban did if they did but there are still serious doubts those were Taliban's Because Taliban's real ones never do it if even they did it it is extremely delt with but we have to see other side of picture too what USA doing in civilized system forcefully beating Muslim woman in passenger plane by US police took her pants off if you compare both incidents I see USA is doing more violence than Taliban's

USA has no right to talk about extremism because they are a party for one side but when US citizen does it like paddock they say they guy was mental I'll

These double standards are not to be accepted here
 
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USA informed Pakistan about whereabout of Mr Boyle and his family crossing its borders... Then this guy is freed along with his family by Pakistani Forces in Pakistan and... now .. he seems reading a script and talking about haqqani network 3 times in only few seconds...all that when USA talked about Pakistan support to haqqani network...

It's not hard to connect dots
If one was to dive into a conspiracy theory, then with the statements coming out of Washington it seems it was a ploy to improve a fast deteriorating relationship and both US and Pakistan were on board.
 
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Why would he make such an accusation if weren't true? Plus, not all Taliban are the same. They are not a monolith, but like Afghanistan itself, a collection of tribes and factions.

These so called Afghan Taliban are most friendly to RAW aka Indian contractors, never ever hurt them or their interests, in past 15 years.

What makes you think that the Taliban is Islamic ? they are just a bunch of murderous thugs

Naturally.. anything created mutually by CIA and RAW can't be Islamic!
 
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would you look at that? the nice Taliban forced a non Muslim to wear the Abaya, and surprisingly they stayed in the same room while she changed.
And you dont really need to take your top of to wear an abaya do you?
they story is full of loop holes, the Taliban are no angels
we all know what they did in Afghanistan when they came to power.
You need to listen to her interview rather than become emotional. Clearly you haven't the slightest idea on who she is. The very first western journalist who was captured post 9/11 with her fate Unknown. However on her safe return to the UK rather than hating Islam she accords the faith. Yeah by your logic something clearly went wrong. Maybe the colour of her Abaya had an impact? Your thoughts?

One women was spared 20 years ago so it must be the case till end of times.

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That was a prime example that changed the fate of the lady who in return became a great advocate for Islam. She went on to many tv shows to show who the real culprits were the US. The same lady Yvonne Ridely became very vocal about the situation and condition of Dr Afia Siqqiue something the Pak government could never be bothered to.

would you look at that? the nice Taliban forced a non Muslim to wear the Abaya, and surprisingly they stayed in the same room while she changed.
And you dont really need to take your top of to wear an abaya do you?
they story is full of loop holes, the Taliban are no angels
we all know what they did in Afghanistan when they came to power.
Maybe you should meet Yvonne Ridley and ask her yourself? And are the US angles who murded Dr Afia Siddiques son, force her into a confined prison and repeatidly raped her. Ask yourself are the US in AFG to bring a sense of democracy? Development? Buddy they are there to keep a peremnant presence in the region and a countinued threat to regional neighbours. Not even JF Thunder fighters (excuse the pun due to your name) will help
Bring peace to the region.
 
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I do not think the Afghan Taliban are Islamic.

They make many mistakes.

But to murder babies. A little far-fetched.

No civilized person would kill babies.

In these areas there is a lot of sheer lawlessness. Often people will be kidnapped by a group who's sole aim is to make money, they will even sell on their captives to another group for a profit.

I too simply don't trust the media; but this is a case of a genuine eye witness.
 
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If one was to dive into a conspiracy theory, then with the statements coming out of Washington it seems it was a ploy to improve a fast deteriorating relationship and both US and Pakistan were on board.


There are plenty of examples of conspiracies in history. So labelling something as "conspiracy" does not render it as inexisting or as something born in the sick mind of a sick psychopath guy. Nowadays "conspiracy theory" is the wildcard to stop discussions which do not go in the wanted direction.
 
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You need to listen to her interview rather than become emotional. Clearly you haven't the slightest idea on who she is. The very first western journalist who was captured post 9/11 with her fate Unknown. However on her safe return to the UK rather than hating Islam she accords the faith. Yeah by your logic something clearly went wrong. Maybe the colour of her Abaya had an impact? Your thoughts?
I pointed out all the loop holes and strange twists I found in the story
did you care to read it?

Maybe you should meet Yvonne Ridley and ask her yourself? And are the US angles who murded Dr Afia Siddiques son, force her into a confined prison and repeatidly raped her. Ask yourself are the US in AFG to bring a sense of democracy? Development? Buddy they are there to keep a peremnant presence in the region and a countinued threat to regional neighbours. Not even JF Thunder fighters (excuse the pun due to your name) will help
Bring peace to the region.
did I in any way say the US is an angel? I just said that the Taliban aren't as good as people say they are.
 
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The Talibans of from 1996-2001 Afghan rule was a brutal regime. BUT they were also mostly principled and organized in some primitive ways. They suffocated Afghanistan but they also eliminated poppy production, established peace, setup a working government etc. Their justice system was brutal but they would not spare even their so called Emir Mullah Umar if he did something wrong. Read Ahmad Rashid's 'Taliban' to understand their rise to power and their governance.

In short, those Talibans had a vested interest in proper regime with functioning institutions.

I don't know enough about the current days Talibans. But I strongly suspect, along with genuine Pashtun nationalist resistance, there are criminals, drug addicts, foreign funded mercenaries, extortionists and kidnappers, ISIS affiliated terrorists..they are piggy backing on the term 'Taliban' to do whatever they want to.
 
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Freed Canadian hostage Joshua Boyle demands his kidnappers be brought to justice
The Canadian Press Sat, Oct 14 12:26 PM EDT
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TORONTO — Former Canadian hostage Joshua Boyle has demanded that his kidnappers be brought to justice for the "murder" of his infant daughter and the rape of his wife while they were in captivity.

A tired-looking Boyle read a brief statement to the media late Friday after arriving in Toronto with his American wife, Caitlan Coleman, and their three young children. The family was freed by Pakistani commandos on Wednesday after they and their captors crossed the border from Afghanistan.

Boyle and Coleman had been kidnapped in Afghanistan in October 2012 while on a backpacking trip. Coleman was pregnant at the time and had four children in captivity. The birth of the fourth child had not been publicly known before Boyle appeared before journalists in Toronto.

With hands trembling as he read his statement, Boyle lambasted the "stupidity and the evil" of his kidnappers, who he said were members of the Taliban-linked Haqqani network, for abducting both him and his pregnant wife during a trip to help villagers in Afghanistan's Taliban-controlled areas.

He said the Haqqani leadership authorized the murder of his infant daughter in retaliation for his refusal to accept an offer from the kidnappers, but did not elaborate on the offer. He also condemned his kidnappers for engaging in the brutal rape of his wife.

"Not as a lone action by one guard, but assisted by the captain of the guard and supervised by the commandant ... of the Haqqani network." Boyle said.

"God willing, this litany of stupidity will be the epitaph of the Haqqani network."

Boyle said the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan — the name used by the Taliban when they ruled Afghanistan until they were ousted by a U.S.-led coalition in 2001 — should provide his family the justice that they are owed.

"I certainly do not intend to allow a brutal and sacrilegious gang of criminal miscreants to … weaken my family's commitment to do the right thing no matter the cost."

Boyle said he and his wife now want to focus on building a new life.

"Obviously it will be of incredible importance to my family that we are able to build a secure sanctuary for our three surviving children, to call a home, to focus on edification and to try to regain some portion of the childhood that they have lost."

The final leg of the family's journey to freedom was an Air Canada flight from London to Toronto.

U.S. State Department officials accompanied the Boyle family on the flight home.

Boyle gave The Associated Press a handwritten statement expressing disagreement with U.S. foreign policy.

"God has given me and my family unparalleled resilience and determination, and to allow that to stagnate, to pursue personal pleasure or comfort while there is still deliberate and organized injustice in the world would be a betrayal of all I believe, and tantamount to sacrilege," he wrote.

He nodded to one of the State Department officials and said, "Their interests are not my interests."

He added that one of his children was in poor health and had to be force-fed by their Pakistani rescuers.

Coleman, who is from Stewartstown, Pennsylvania, sat in the aisle of the business-class cabin wearing a tan-coloured headscarf.

She nodded wordlessly when she confirmed her identity to a reporter on board the flight. In the two seats next to her were her two elder children. In the seat beyond that was Boyle, with their youngest child in his lap.

The family was escorted off the plane five-to-10 minutes before the other passengers on the flight.

The Canadian government said in a statement that it joined the Boyle family "in rejoicing over the long-awaited return to Canada of their loved ones."

On Thursday, officials in Pakistan said the family had been rescued in "an intelligence-based operation" after their captors moved them across the border from Afghanistan.

The couple had set off in the summer 2012 on a journey that took them to Russia, the central Asian countries of Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, and then to Afghanistan.

Their release came nearly five years to the day after Boyle and Coleman lost touch with their families while travelling in a mountainous region near the Afghan capital, Kabul.

Coleman's parents last heard from their son-in-law on Oct. 8, 2012, from an Internet cafe in what Boyle described as an "unsafe" part of Afghanistan.

Pakistan's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Nafees Zakaria, said the Pakistani raid that led to the family's rescue was based on a tip from U.S. intelligence and shows that Pakistan will act against a "common enemy" when Washington shares information.

U.S. officials have long accused Pakistan of ignoring groups like the Haqqani network. The Americans consider it a terrorist organization and have targeted its leaders with drone strikes.

But the Haqqani group also operates like a criminal network. Unlike the Islamic State group, it does not typically execute Western hostages, preferring to ransom them for cash.

A U.S. national security official, who was not authorized to discuss operational details of the release and spoke only on condition of anonymity, said the U.S. obtained actionable information, passed it to Pakistani government officials, asked them to interdict and recover the hostages — and they did.

Boyle was once married to Zaynab Khadr, the older sister of former Guantanamo Bay detainee Omar Khadr and the daughter of a senior al-Qaida financier. Her father, the late Ahmed Said Khadr, and the family stayed with Osama bin Laden briefly when Omar Khadr was a boy.

The Canadian-born Omar Khadr was 15 when he was captured by U.S. troops following a firefight and was taken to the U.S. detention centre at Guantanamo Bay. Officials had discounted any link between that background and Boyle's capture, with one official describing it in 2014 as a "horrible coincidence."

The U.S. Justice Department said neither Boyle nor Coleman is wanted for any federal crime.

— With files from The Associated Press

Salmaan Farooqui, The Canadian Press

Note to readers: This is a corrected story. A previous version incorrectly quoted Joshua Boyle as calling on the Afghan government to seek justice. In fact, he is asking the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, the former Taliban government, to punish the kidnap
 
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Canadian-American couple’s mysterious rescue raises new questions
By News Desk
Published: October 15, 2017
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A still image from a video posted by the Taliban on social media on 19 December 2016 shows American Caitlan Coleman, left, speaking next to her Canadian husband Joshua Boyle and their two sons. PHOTO: REUTERS

The recent dramatic rescue of a Canadian-American family by Pakistan Army during an intelligence-based operation (IBO) in Kurram Agency has raised as many questions as it has answered, The Washington Postreported.

American Caitlan Coleman, 31, her Canadian husband Joshua Boyle, 34, and their three children born in captivity were believed to be held by the Taliban-allied Haqqani network inside Afghanistan since 2012. The Pakistani soldiers, acting on American intelligence, appeared to have opened fire on Wednesday at the tires of a car carrying the hostage family not long after it crossed the Pak-Afghan border near the Afghan provinces of Nangarhar and Paktia.

The development came as a rare bit of positive news in the otherwise troubled relationship between Islamabad and Washington. Shortly after the family’s release, a senior Trump administration official compared their ordeal to “living in a hole for five years”.




Freed Canadian hostage claims Taliban killed infant daughter, raped wife

The family eventually arrived in Toronto, Canada on Friday night after the husband refused to get on a plane for the United States. Boyle’s father told the New York Times that his son did not want to stop at Bagram air base in Afghanistan, where Americans have been accused of abusing detainees.

In a statement to The Associated Press, Boyle said simply, “God has given me and my family unparalleled resilience and determination.” The family’s refusal to travel to the United States led some former American officials to speculate about the couple’s motives in journeying to Afghanistan five years earlier and suggest that they may be trying to avoid tough questions from US intelligence officials.

Meanwhile, other US officials played down that explanation. “The administration made very clear that if they wanted to come back to the United States there would be no problems,” said a US official who is familiar with the case and was speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss dealings with the family.

Boyle and Coleman visited Central America shortly after marrying in 2011 and then headed off to Russia and Central Asia. Coleman was pregnant with their first child in 2012 when they decided to go hiking in Wardak province, a dangerous region south of Kabul that is dominated by feuding militant groups.

Starting to develop ‘much better’ relations with Pakistan: Trump

According to The Washington Post, the couple’s decision to visit Wardak and Boyle’s unusual personal history set off widespread speculation inside the US intelligence community about his motives. Before he wed Coleman, Boyle had married and divorced the oldest sister of Omar Khadr, a Canadian who was arrested by US forces in Afghanistan in 2002 and was alleged to have ties to al Qaeda.

The patriarch of the Khadr family was killed in 2003, along with al Qaeda and Taliban members, in a shootout with Pakistan Army near the Afghanistan border. Boyle’s associations with the family led some US intelligence officials to speculate that the visit to Afghanistan may have been part of a larger effort to link up with Taliban-affiliated militants.

“I can’t say that [he was ever al Qaeda],” said one former US intelligence official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information. “He was never a fighter on the battlefield. But my belief is that he clearly was interested in getting into it.”

After they were taken captive, Boyle and Coleman appear to have suffered through a harrowing ordeal. Coleman in a video released in December 2016 described her captivity as a “Kafkaesque nightmare.” “Just give the offenders something so they and you can save face and we can leave the region permanently,” she said in the video aimed at then US president Barack Obama.

Will couple rescue mark a new beginning in ties with United States?

The successful rescue also set off a flurry of questions about what it might portend for US-Pakistan relations. “The first thing to recognize is that this relationship is as broken as it’s been since 2011,” when US officials launched a clandestine raid in Abbottabad to kill Osama bin Laden, said Moeed Yusuf, an associate vice president for the United States Institute of Peace.

The Trump administration’s new strategy in Afghanistan has put a heavy emphasis on military operations to punish the Taliban in Afghanistan and has increased pressure on Pakistan to eliminate enemy sanctuaries there.

Pakistan would prefer a plan that prioritizes peace talks with the Taliban over a military-focused effort. In the aftermath of the successful mission, President Trump suggested that his tough rhetoric had helped to bring Islamabad into line. But Yusuf and other analysts suggested that the president was misreading Pakistani motives.

“The danger here is that Washington internalizes the message that tough talk with the Pakistanis is working,” Yusuf said. “I am overall pessimistic about the relationship. . . . If there is one thing that underpins everything, it is a deep mistrust between these two countries.”

Other analysts who follow South Asia were slightly more positive in their assessments and saw potential for cooperation between the two nations. “The United States and Pakistan have some key areas of aligned interests, including on counter-terrorism and counter-extremism,” said Daniel Feldman, who was the special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan in the Obama administration. “This demonstrates that there are opportunities to work together in both our nations’ interests.”

At the Coleman household in southeastern Pennsylvania, the focus wasn’t on geopolitics but on the return of a long-missing daughter. Her family posted a note on their door referring to the “joyful news” and asking for privacy “as we make plans for the future.”


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Kabul rejects Pakistani account of hostage rescue
Sayed Salahuddin | Published — Monday 16 October 2017
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KABUL: An American-Canadian family released last week after five years in captivity were kidnapped by the Haqqani network in the Afghan province of Wardak and kept in Pakistan, the spokesmen for the Afghan defense and interior ministries said on Sunday.
Pakistan’s high commissioner to Canada said the elite Pakistani Special Services Group, acting on “real-time” intelligence from American sources, attacked the kidnappers as they moved the hostages across the border from Afghanistan.
“Pakistani commandos took action at the border and there was a shootout, and eventually (the hostages) were rescued,” Tariq Azim Khan told a Canadian media outlet on Thursday.
“One or two (of the kidnappers) escaped… and a search operation is still ongoing to catch them.”
But regarding the claim that the kidnappers had moved the hostages from Afghanistan, Gen. Dawlat Waziri, chief spokesman for the Afghan Defense Ministry, told Arab News: “We utterly deny this.”
Afghan Interior Ministry spokesman Najib Danesh told Arab News: “There’s enough evidence to prove that they were in Pakistan since the time of their abduction.”
Waziri said Pakistan freed the hostages under the guise of rescuing them from kidnappers, in order to “reduce American and international pressure.”
According to media reports a few months ago, the US withheld $50 million in aid to Pakistan because it was allegedly doing too little to combat the terrorist organization that seized the hostages.
On Thursday, US President Donald Trump said the release of the family of five was “a positive moment for our country’s relationship with Pakistan.” The release came ahead of a meeting of senior US officials with Pakistani leaders, and the resumption of Afghan peace talks in Oman.
Representatives of Afghanistan, China, Pakistan and the US will take part in the talks, but there are no reports of the Taliban’s participation. Islamabad has been under pressure to bring the Taliban to the negotiating table.
Rape denied
In a related development, a Taliban spokesman denied on Sunday accusations by Joshua Boyle, the former hostage, that one of his children had been murdered and his wife raped while they were being held captive, according to a Reuters report.
Boyle told reporters soon after he, his wife, Caitlan Coleman, and their three children returned to Canada on Friday that their captors had murdered a fourth child and raped his wife.
Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid rejected that as propaganda by the Western governments that helped rescue the family.
“We strongly reject these fake and fabricated allegations of this Canadian family, now in the hands of the enemy,” he said in a statement sent to media.
“Whatever statement the enemy wants to put in their mouth, the family is forced to make it.” Boyle called on the Taliban to “provide my family with the justice we deserve.”
Mujahid said the couple was intentionally never separated in order to protect their safety. He also denied that their child had been murdered, but acknowledged that one child became sick and died.
“We were in a remote area without access to a doctor and medications that led to the loss of the child,” he said. Three children, all born in captivity, were rescued along with Boyle and Coleman.
The U.S. government calls the Haqqani network “the most lethal and sophisticated insurgent group” in Afghanistan.
Its operational chief, Sirajuddin Haqqani, was named deputy to the Taliban’s newly appointed leader Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansour in 2015, cementing the ties between the groups.
The Haqqanis previously held U.S. Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl, who was freed in a swap for Taliban prisoners in 2014, and are suspected of holding two professors, an American and an Australian, who were kidnapped outside their university in Kabul in 2016.
A senior Afghan government official told Reuters that American and Afghan special forces launched two unsuccessful raids to try to rescue the professors in Afghanistan, but officials now believe the pair has been taken to Haqqani hideouts over the border in Pakistan. (Writing by Josh Smith; Editing by Robert Birsel)
 
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