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Afghan soldier kills two NATO troops at protest

"Incidents" caused by Nato/Us soldiers are occurring too often; one day they pee on dead afghan bodies, the next day they're burning holy Quran, I wonder what is next.

Americans have to understand that Afghans are very proud and quite religious people. You hurt their sentiment or insult their religion and they will retaliate. You are raising a 300.000 strong local army. This army can very well turn against you in a second if more socalled "incidents" occur. One day instead of Taliban you will be fighting this army for life.
 
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Sometimes I wonder whether some people really deserve the kind of freedoms and rights that the rest of the developed world has come to take for granted. Some people who are mired in medieval tribal traditions, some people who refuse to accept change and prosper, some people who follow and stick to fundamentalist/rigid interpretation of religious teachings, some people who have scant regard for human lives - their own and that of others, irrespective of religion, gender, race etc. Such people should be left to rot and suffer in the scum of their own creation - The Taliban!

All this furore over a few written pages bound together? Whats more important - the Teachings or the "material book"? When will people ever understand?
Sir if you will burn Quran in front of any kind of Muslim he turn angry and will take you on Sir

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Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Afghan rage over the burning of Qurans by NATO troops continued Thursday even after a President Barack Obama apologized for the "error."
Afghanistan erupted in violent demonstrations after the troops burned the Islamic religious material at the beginning of the week.
Two American troops were killed Thursday by a man wearing an Afghan National Army uniform, a U.S. official said, asking not to be named discussing casualties. The gunman is thought to have been acting in conjunction with a protest outside the base, the official said.
In a letter delivered to Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Obama called the act "inadvertent," Karzai's office and National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said Thursday.
"We will take the appropriate steps to avoid any recurrence, including holding accountable those responsible," Obama said in the letter delivered by Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan.
Karzai said that he had appointed a team composed of Muslim legal scholars from the Ulemma Council and Ministry of Haj to travel to Bagram and investigate.
Obama's apology brought this rejoinder from GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich: "The president apologized for the burning, but I haven't seen the president demand that the government of Afghanistan apologize for the killing of two young Americans."
White House apologizes for Quran burning
The protest and shootings came as the Taliban called on Muslims to attack NATO military bases and convoys and to kill soldiers following the admission that NATO troops had incinerated the books at Bagram Airfield.
Afghan officials investigating urged Afghans to "exercise self-restraint" and "avoid resorting to protests and demonstrations that may provide ground for the enemy to take advantage of the situation."
The investigators called the burning "insulting and shameful," saying NATO officials had promised to bring the "perpetrators of the crime ... to justice as soon as possible."
"As the situation is still under investigation, it would be premature to speculate on any potential outcomes," said NATO International Security Assistance Force spokesman Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings. "Any disciplinary action, if deemed warranted, will be taken by U.S. authorities after a thorough review of the facts pursuant to all law and regulation and in accordance with due process."
Muslims believe the Quran is the word of God, so holy that people should wash their hands before even touching the sacred book. Desecrating the Quran is seen as an act of intolerance and bigotry.
At least two demonstrators also were killed in the exchange of gunfire near the base where the two Americans died, said Haji Mohammad Hassan, chief of Khugyani district in eastern Nangarhar province.
Two U.S. soldiers and seven demonstrators were injured in the clash, too, he said.
"We don't know who started the shooting first and what kind of guns were used, but we have started our investigation to find out the details of the incident," Hassan told CNN.
Another demonstration occurred near a Norwegian-run Provincial Reconstruction Team compound in Maimana, the provincial capital of Faryab province, a regional police spokesman said.
Afghan security forces prevented the 700 to 800 demonstrators from entering the compound, said police spokesman Lal Mohammad Ahmadzai said. They burned a few civilian vehicles parked near the compound, he added.
American diplomats in Kabul and the north and south of Afghanistan were on lockdown for a second day in the face of protests, U.S. Embassy spokesman Mark Thornburg said.
At least five people were killed Wednesday in demonstrations.
The commander of NATO's ISAF, Gen. John Allen, apologized Tuesday. The materials had been gathered for disposal and were inadvertently given to troops for burning, Allen said.
"It was not a decision that was made with respect to the faith of Islam," he said. "It was a mistake. It was an error. The moment we found out about it, we immediately stopped and we intervened."
The Taliban on Thursday rejected the apology.
In an e-mail, the Islamist militia accused "the invading infidel authorities" of trying to calm the situation with two "so-called show(s) of apologies, but in reality they let their inhuman soldiers insult our holy book."
They called on Afghans to take revenge "until the doers of such inhumane actions are prosecuted and punished."
"We should attack their military bases, their military convoys, we should kill their soldiers, arrest their invading soldiers, beat them up and give a kind of lesson to them that they never dare to insult the holy Quran," the message said.
Afghan religious scholar Anayatullah Baligh said it can be appropriate to burn a damaged Quran to dispose of it, but that it should be done by a Muslim performing the act respectfully.
"I can't tell you whether Americans intentionally burned the copies of the holy Quran to make Muslims angry or if they did it mistakenly," he said, but said their "carelessness" was "a crime they have committed against the holiest book of 2 billion Muslims around the world."
A military official told CNN on Thursday that it was unclear how many Qurans were involved and that some had been partially burned.
The inability of most American troops at the base to read the texts could have contributed to the mistake, the official said, asking not to be named discussing an ongoing investigation.
A second military official said the materials had been removed from a detainee center's library because they contained "extremist inscriptions" and there was "an appearance that these documents were being used to facilitate extremist communications."
U.S. apologies have not appeased Afghans, who massed outside the Bagram base Tuesday, chanting "Death to America! Death to the Afghan government! Long live Islam!"
Protesters burned tires and threw rocks Wednesday outside Camp Phoenix near Kabul International Airport, the U.S. Embassy said in its official Twitter feed.
In Jalalabad, hundreds chanted "Down With America."
Authorities have questioned some troops as part of their investigation, but no one has been detained, a coalition official said.
Last year, when Florida pastor Terry Jones presided over what he called a trial of the Quran and burned a copy, Afghans took to the streets. In the northern Afghan city of Mazar-e Sharif, demonstrators stormed a U.N. office and killed 12 people. In Kandahar, three people were killed, and nine in another when police clashed with stone-throwing demonstrators.
U.S. officials condemned the pastor's act.
 
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By msnbc.com news services
KABUL -- Afghanistan wants NATO to put on public trial those who burned copies of the Quran at a NATO base, President Hamid Karzai's office said Thursday, after a third day of bloody protests over the incident.
It said NATO had agreed to a trial, but that could not be immediately confirmed.
Karzai had earlier accused a U.S. officer of "ignorantly" burning copies of the Quran, in an incident that has deepened anti-Western sentiment in a country NATO is trying to stabilize before foreign combat troops leave by the end of 2014.
Demonstrations have drawn thousands of angry Afghans to the streets, chanting "Death to America!" amid violence that has killed 11 people including two U.S. service personnel.
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"NATO officials, in response to a request for the trial and punishment of the perpetrators ... promised this crime will brought to court as soon as possible," Karzai's office said in a statement.
President Barack Obama sent a letter to Karzai apologizing for the burning of the Qurans, after Afghan laborers found charred copies while collecting rubbish at the sprawling Bagram air base.
Obama apologizes to Afghanistan over Quran burnings

Obama told Karzai the incident was not intentional.
Karzai said an American officer had acted "out of ignorance and with poor understanding" of the Quran's importance, a presidential statement said.
NBC's Afghanistan correspondent answers readers' questions about Quran burning
The Taliban urged Afghan security forces to "turn their guns on the foreign infidel invaders," it said on its site shahamat-english.com.
This article includes reporting by Reuters.
 
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Sir if you will burn Quran in front of any kind of Muslim he turn angry and will take you on Sir
My question still stands. What is more important, the Teachings or the physical manifestation of that - the paper book? If its the latter, doesnt it amount to idolatry - going against the very tenets of Islam?

FYI, Christianity thrived not because people waged a "jihad" against the Bible burning, Prophet killing Romans, but because of their belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

And what does it say about people who ignore the real teachings and message of Prophet Mohammad but react to burning a bunch of paper?
 
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My question still stands. What is more important, the Teachings or the physical manifestation of that - the paper book? If its the latter, doesnt it amount to idolatry - going against the very tenets of Islam?
Both actually ... The sooner the Americans comprehend it , the better ... If not , they will end up fighting the ANA the army they equipped themselves ...
No Muslim can tolerate such thing , any sect ... I am perfectly sure that no Hindu , Christian will take kindly to me if i burn their religious scriptures ...
 
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Sometimes I wonder whether some people really deserve the kind of freedoms and rights that the rest of the developed world has come to take for granted. Some people who are mired in medieval tribal traditions, some people who refuse to accept change and prosper, some people who follow and stick to fundamentalist/rigid interpretation of religious teachings, some people who have scant regard for human lives - their own and that of others, irrespective of religion, gender, race etc. Such people should be left to rot and suffer in the scum of their own creation - The Taliban!

All this furore over a few written pages bound together? Whats more important - the Teachings or the "material book"? When will people ever understand?
I think nobody likes to be occupied by foriegn forces.I am pretty sure British people were thinking along the same lines when Indian people started mutiny against them.
 
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The media here really hyped up this incident, the death of two NATO personnel, as if they incurred seriously casualties. Of course, the primitive common man watching this news is infuriated at the thought an Afghan would dare kill NATO soldiers.

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But did he kill the ones who actually burnt The Holy Quran? Think ...

Did the West kill only the people it accuses of being involved in 9/11? Think...

No need for pontificating or lectures on morality from others, you can keep it to yourself as Afghans have every right to defend their nation.
 
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But, he has conveyed a very strong message to the perpetrators and their command.

True, I'll send a strong message!
But it cannot be justified. Depends who you give importance teaching of Allah or book of paper to go against teaching and defy Allah's message written on that book.


hahaha sweet, kill all these american and NATO terrorist soldiers. Good job afghan soldier, keep it up.

Dear Pakistan has a major stake on what conditions of muslim brothers in Afghanistan today. You cannot wash your hands and history will haunt you till eternity.
 
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Perhaps the Americans would realize what we in Pakistan realized the hard way - leave the Afghans alone, either in friendship or war - 'cause your going to get f**ked up either way.

You can't leave them. leaving them will cause another 9/11.
 
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