Afghan president Hamid Karzai hands India weapons 'wish list'

[Beerbal]

Yeah good job karzai....now whose being a beggar

Beggar: one that begs; especially : a person who lives by asking for gifts. In entire article I don't see anywhere that he asked it for free....

@Topic: The Afghan Prez will looking at benefit of his nation, India will look its own. No one does favour. Some see short term benefit, some see long term.

By having Peaceful Afghanistan India will gain long term benefit (Less terrorism, Trade). Afghanistan and Iran will be key point for Indian trade. (And remember trades are mutual benefit, India and Afghnaistan both will benefited).

 

[Icarus]

Keep it civil and to the topic, more off topic nonsense will result in a lot of members seeing their names in Pink for the foreseeable future.

 

[InDoStAnImUsSaLmAn]

Not a very keen follower of the news are you? Here are some keywords, give google a try and maybe you'll be less ignorant than you are now. Bajaur, Buner, Orakzai, South Waziristan, Malakand, Swat, Bannu................I'm only getting started, all theatres where the TTP has been uprooted by the PA.

Well bro,,I am not shouting for the Indian Army in Afghanistan...your fellow countrymen are praying for us to get involved and save you from the cr@p you yourselves made in your own pants,and now evidently,you're also unable to change your own pants and create an unhygenic environment for those around you!
Well India would never risk a soldier for cleanin the mess,we should only help and support the interested parties who are willing to live in a hygenic environment,like us,by other means!

 

[Icarus]

Well bro,,I am not shouting for the Indian Army in Afghanistan...your fellow countrymen are praying for us to get involved and save you from the cr@p you yourselves made in your own pants,and now evidently,you're also unable to change your own pants and create an unhygenic environment for those around you!
Well India would never risk a soldier for cleanin the mess,we should only help and support the interested parties who are willing to live in a hygenic environment,like us,by other means!

The best euphamism you can come up with to supplement your argument based on a flawed assumption is based on defecation, oh how I pity your education system. Your post lacks any substance and therefore not worthy of a straight response, it is in all respects, what it uses to make an argument........................crap.

 

[InDoStAnImUsSaLmAn]

The best euphamism you can come up with to supplement your argument based on a flawed assumption is based on defecation, oh how I pity your education system. Your post lacks any substance and therefore not worthy of a straight response, it is in all respects, what it uses to make an argument........................crap.

Well come on now,,it was not I who was not willing to accept countries as sovereign states,which is FACT.... It was not I who said one country was "begging" to the other when it was mutual act of national interests for both sovereign countries that they acted together in this case and it is a FACT... You guys chose to take it to a level of cr@p by your rhetorics and ability to distort FACTS as always...and I was simply talking in your language! Its an Indo-Afghan matter no??? Why are you guys so concerned????

 

[Amaa'n]

Can you elaborate more on why Karzai is not disassociating himself from Pakistan, is it because they needs us for the peace talks or some other reason? because the way I see it Karzai have already disassociated himself from Pakistan by giving out statements and shelling across the border, encouraging Taliban to attack PA?

Karzai is an astute politician, he's playing on Pakistan's fear of fighting India on two fronts but at the same time, he refuses to disassociate from Pakistan out rightly. Right now, he's playing to both sides of the house. For greater insight into the nature and depth of the proposed association between India and Afghanistan, it would be insightful to know what the "Wish List" consisted of.......

@Topic
the important thing to know will be how much is India willing to give, because the reason US is not leaving behind much for ANA is its ability to use it and with the fear that it might fall into the wrong hands. So India will have to look that up that , the weaponry they are going to donate might not end up at their door step

 

[Icarus]

Well come on now,,it was not I who was not willing to accept countries as sovereign states,which is FACT.... It was not I who said one country was "begging" to the other when it was mutual act of national interests for both sovereign countries that they acted together in this case and it is a FACT... You guys chose to take it to a level of cr@p by your rhetorics and ability to distort FACTS as always...and I was simply talking in your language! Its an Indo-Afghan matter no??? Why are you guys so concerned????

1) I am not responsible for what other people say, so when you make an argument with me, do so against the merit of what I post.

2) This is an open forum, if the bold part of your post deters you so much, you must rethink why you joined an open, Pakistani forum in the first place.

 

[Icarus]

Can you elaborate more on why Karzai is not disassociating himself from Pakistan, is it because they needs us for the peace talks or some other reason? because the way I see it Karzai have already disassociated himself from Pakistan by giving out statements and shelling across the border, encouraging Taliban to attack PA?

There's a difference between brinkmanship and dissociation, the examples you cited were of brinkmanship. Pakistan is going to be a major player in regional politics, like it or hate it, accept it or reject it. It's a ground reality, with Afghanistan, this issue is especially pertinent because Pakistan is Afghanistan's most significant neighbour in terms of geo-politics, there's a huge Afghan diaspora within Pakistan, the Afghans commute to Pakistan daily for jobs, they need Pakistan for transit trade with India, they need Pakistan to truck supplies for their forces, they need Pakistan for access to the sea (you will say Iran but Iran is not half as accommodating as we are, and frankly that's how I think we should be too) and a million other reasons why Karazai can't afford to just go straight out an diss Pakistan. There's also the small issue of Pakistan's military force, it's influence with the Taliban and then there's Pakistan historic relation with the non-pushtun portion of Afghanistan's population that has always been quite partial towards a partition of their own.

@Topic
the important thing to know will be how much is India willing to give, because the reason US is not leaving behind much for ANA is its ability to use it and with the fear that it might fall into the wrong hands. So India will have to look that up that , the weaponry they are going to donate might not end up at their door step

India needs to be careful, extra careful, the last thing India needs is weapons, say mortars, being sold off on the black market and used for attacks on sensitive installations, say, diplomatic missions in Kabul. Nobody likes their diplomat dead with a foreign exported splinter in their chest.

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

Only wish of Karzai which i can guess is "Please please some how save my *** after 2014"

Poor Karzai, this was destined to happen right from the day one. Either he will find refuge in India after 2014 or will meet the same fate as of Najeeb in the streets of Kabul.

PS: Why dont Indians donate 100 Arjuns, 2 squads of LCA, 100,000 Insas+ same number of Soldiers to Afghanistan.

 

[Abingdonboy]

PS: Why dont Indians donate 100 Arjuns, 2 squads of LCA, 100,000 Insas+ same number of Soldiers to Afghanistan.

why should they?



And how do you go about "donating" a soldier?!

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

why should they?



And how do you go about "donating" a soldier?!

Yaara your eternal friend has come to your door step with a "wish list", will you make him disappoint? Ok tell me what is in your view Karzai crucial need at this time? What can India provide him which can enable his regime to remain in power post 2014?

 

[InDoStAnImUsSaLmAn]

1) I am not responsible for what other people say, so when you make an argument with me, do so against the merit of what I post.

2) This is an open forum, if the bold part of your post deters you so much, you must rethink why you joined an open, Pakistani forum in the first place.

Well,,the first post you decided to take me on argument of the Indian Army getting involved,was in response to a rhetoric as you would be able to see from the quote....and it was my response in kind,hoping he would understand his language! And ya,I know there can be no sanity or "facts" among the insane,maybe you should learn it too??!!!

 

[Abingdonboy]

Yaara your eternal friend has come to your door step with a "wish list", will you make him disappoint? Ok tell me what is in your view Karzai crucial need at this time? What can India provide him which can enable his regime to remain in power post 2014?

Mate cut out the hyperbole like "eternal friend" and the like. Ever heard of the phrase- "in diplomacy there are no permenant friends only permenant interests"?!

India has interests in Afghanistan and seeing it stable no doubt. There's nothing wrong in this no matter how hard you guys try to suggest otherwise.

 

[Abingdonboy]

India needs to be careful, extra careful, the last thing India needs is weapons, say mortars, being sold off on the black market and used for attacks on sensitive installations, say, diplomatic missions in Kabul. Nobody likes their diplomat dead with a foreign exported splinter in their chest.

It's a perfect valid point @Icarus sir, but how would one prevent this sort of thing from happening? A nation gives another nation certain equipment and weapons in good faith that they will be used for their intended purposes, if they end up in a black market being sold to terorists groups who then use the weakens against friendly nations and their interests- how can the oringal selling nation be held responsible or even blamed?

Are the Russians blamed for every AK death?

 

[Markus]

I am hopeful the wish list includes at least 100,000 Indian troops in Afghanistan. Anything less than that is a waste of time and money as India has already spent billions in the past 12 years in Afghanistan.

Indians!! Don't let your Afghan brothers down at this critical juncture otherwise Taliban will eat both brothers alive for breakfast post-2014.

Dont count your chickens before they hatch.

Post 2014, if Afghanistan will burn, the flames of that fire will also burn half of your country.

100,000 of your troops are on Afghan border, do you want them alive or not ?