Afghan-Pakistan Relations After Rabbani Assassination

[asaad-ul-islam]

Asad,

Quite an intresting article and quotes from Ch. Rahmat Ali and his book indeed and I now understand what you're trying to say.

Still I think that reunification with Afghanistan and Central Asia is a distant dream based on overestimated might of Pashtun ethnical ties with Kabul.
Afghanistan is a home to many ethnicities and only Pashtuns have affinity with Pakistan whereas Hazara's, Tajiks and Uzbeks are a very small entity in Pakistan and should not be considered as threat which leaves us with the Pashtuns on both sides to deal with.

NWFP is is more developped and resourcefull and has larger economy than Afghanistan as a whole, Pashtun's on our side have integrated well into Pakistani society and embraced modernisation compared to the other side.
They're loyal to Pakistan and anyone who believes that 25+ million Pak Pashtun's would rather live under Kabul is ignorant on facts and doesn't understand that dynamics of Pakistan and NWFP.

Compare Mohajirs and Punjabi's who migrated from India to Pakistan and have integrated into the society. They're no longer Indians but Pakisatni's and have no desire to be reunited with India. Same applies in Pashtun's, ethnic ties may be strong but they're overestimated. Even Afghan 3.5 million refugees in many parts of NWFP and Balochistan are considered to be foreigners, aliens to the Paksiatni Pashtun community.

just to clear things up, I'm not saying that pashtuns on our side of the border are displeased with the current situation. surprisingly, pashtuns in pakistan are all for removing afghani refugees as you may have noticed from the ANP stand on the issue. what i'm trying to say is that we can possibly influence/convince the pashtuns in afghanistan that pakistan has always been "pashtun heaven", through information campaigns and propaganda.

if they can't rule in their own land where they represent the majority, i'm sure they'd rather live under punjabis/balochis/sindhis/pashtuns/etc. to them, afghanistan has become a tajik/foreigner heaven.

I agree, this idea would be far off. We had the chance when the taliban took over, yet Benazir did not go with the idea(much to India's pleasure). but for now there's simply no way our strategists in the military can consider planning something like this, not any time soon at least.

Yet, let's look at how other nations, through the use of intelligence agencies, have manipulated ethnic tensions to their liking. Iraq, now occupied, might soon be split up into a shi'a, sunni, and kurdish part. All of a sudden, we are starting to see an uprising for an independent kurdistan organized AND armed for their cause.

Let's look at how India gobbled up the princely state of Sikkim. Initially Sikkim did not join the union and was instead under the protectorate of India. There's no doubt that R&AW fueled tensions among the public to go against the monarchy. Eventually, Indian armed forces quickly took over the palace and amalgamated Sikkim with support from the public.

India fueled ethnic tensions in East Pakistan and rapidly turned the population against west pakistan. of course, our govt. had its faults, yet the fact remains. things can change just that quickly and I'm sure that the pashtuns of afghanistan and even the taliban will have no choice, but to accept the proposal for the greater good of the ummah.

P.S. : Pashtuns have accepted and supported pakistan since its birth, i'm sure you saw Khattak above as one of the document's signatories. Their bravery and loyalty is unmatched, just look at how far pashtunistan got, no where? there was no protest, no support, not even sympathy for Bacha Khan's goals after his death.

the pakistan resolution was drafted in Khyber, yes Khyber! one dirty little secret afghanistan/pashtunistan fanatics hide, is the fact that the legendary pashtun tribals residing specifically on the durand line never accepted being ruled by the king of afghanistan.

they only united and supported resistance against british, for the sake of removing foreigners and for jihad.
(the same applies to the bughti, mengal tribes who never wanted to live under the khanate of kalat and opted to be apart of the federation of pakistan.)

 

[Xeric]

Afghanistan: Government Workers Arrested In Plot To Kill Karzai

Afghan Defense Minister Abdul Rahim Wardak announces the arrests
(AFP)
Authorities in Kabul have arrested two Afghan government workers for alleged involvement in last week's failed plot to kill President Hamid Karzai.


Afghan officials say the government employees who were arrested were low-ranking workers in the Defense and Interior ministries. Karzai escaped unharmed, but three others were killed in the attack.

Defense Minister Abdul Rahim Wardak identified one of the arrested government workers as a man named Jawed from Kapisa Province, north of Kabul. Wardak says Jawed repaired weapons at an Afghan Defense Ministry factory. He alleges Jawed provided two AK-47 assault rifles and a machine gun to three gunmen who attacked Karzai during a Kabul military parade on April 27.

Wardak identified the second suspect as a police nurse named Zalmay from the Jabal Saraj district of Parwan Province, also north of Kabul. Wardak says Zalmay had been in contact with one of the key organizers of the failed assassination plot.

Although authorities in Kabul have not released details about who they think organized the plot, Afghan intelligence chief Amrullah Saleh insists the masterminds behind the attack on Karzai were Al-Qaeda-linked militants based in neighboring Pakistan. Saleh says Kabul has provided information on the militants' whereabouts to "relevant international sources" who have the capacity to "put pressure on those people who are outside our borders."

"Pakistan has agreed with them and told them that jihad is fair against the people of Afghanistan," Saleh says. "This should once again make our people united and see how deep the roots of this crisis go."

 

[Devil Soul]

Afghans suspend talks with Pak to work closely with the US and India to plan the country's future
Submitted 1 hr 9 mins ago
Afghanistan plans to suspend an effort to work with Pakistan and the U.S. to bring the Taliban to the negotiating table, Afghan officials said, taking a tougher line with Pakistan after last week's assassination of Kabul's top peace negotiator.
Senior U.S., Pakistani and Afghan officials had been set to meet in Kabul on Oct. 8 to discuss ways to get insurgents into peace talks and end the 10-year-old conflict. Afghanistan has now decided to cancel the meeting, deputy national-security adviser Shaida Mohammad Abdali said.
Afghanistan also dropped plans for Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani to attend a meeting in Kabul at the end of October of the Afghanistan-Pakistan Joint Commission for Reconciliation and Peace in Afghanistan, a three-month-old bilateral initiative intended to galvanize the peace process. Officials at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul declined to comment on Afghanistan's moves.
The U.S. still plans to send Marc Grossman, the State Department's special representative for the region, to Kabul for talks next week that were meant to include the trilateral meeting, said Gavin Sundwall, a spokesman for the U.S. Embassy.
The decision to scuttle the meeting could complicate U.S.-led efforts to cultivate a regional dialogue that would make it easier to withdraw most coalition forces as planned by late 2014.
Afghan leaders have been trying to compel Pakistan to openly facilitate talks between Afghanistan and Taliban leaders. Officials in President Hamid Karzai's government say they are convinced Pakistan is intent on disrupting its attempts to engage the Taliban without interference from Islamabad.
Though Afghan officials have criticized Pakistan before, the cancellations signal a change in strategy. "From now on Afghanistan will follow 'trust but verify' approach toward Pakistan, in particular with regard to our peace effort," said Mr. Abdali, suggesting that Kabul would, as a policy, not readily accept Pakistan's offers of help.
Afghanistan's president and other senior leaders announced Thursday that they were rethinking the country's relationship with Pakistan and its negotiations with the Taliban because talks had yielded so little.
As a result, the leaders said, they planned to work closely with the United States, Europe and India to plan the country's future.
The shift in Afghanistan's policies emerged in a statement released by the presidential palace on Thursday after a meeting the night before of senior government officials, including the two vice presidents, the national security adviser and several former military commanders who are close advisers to President Hamid Karzai and who fought to push the Russians out of the country in the 1980s.
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[53fd]

They (Karzai regime & the US) can do whatever they want, but it won't change the fact that they have little legitimacy in the eyes of the Afghan people.

 

[Guest01]

They (Karzai regime & the US) can do whatever they want, but it won't change the fact that they have little legitimacy in the eyes of the Afghan people.

Whatever would make you say that?

OT: Even though there could be a situation that Pakistan will again be involved in the discussion but by these frequent misadventures via Taliban, Pakistan is just increasing its own redudancy in the future shape of the Afghan landscape. Whatever the army may think but with every betrayal of the Afghans, the tolerance towards the Pakistani Army just reduces.

 

[Bankai]

Karzai is a puppet.

Afghanistan will always need Pakistan for access to sea ways.

but Pakistan should be more diplomatic. make friendly relations with Afghanistan. give them offers they can't get from india.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Assalam alaikum

Master says stand up he stands up and if it say to the day it is night it will repeat, who cares about what afghan govt. plans. It is u.s who is calling the shots not karzai.

TARIQ

 

[EastWest]

They (Karzai regime & the US) can do whatever they want, but it won't change the fact that they have little legitimacy in the eyes of the Afghan people.

..and who according to u have the support of Afghan People....??

 

[Developereo]

Excellent.

Better to dispense with the duplicity and double talk of Karzai and the Afghan puppet government. There was never any doubt these guys were installed by NATO precisely as a pro-India regime. The whole reason NATO had to step in and invade Afghanistan in the first place was because India lost the proxy war with the Taliban v/s Northern Alliance.

Remember, the Taliban offered to extradite OBL but NATO was hell-bent on invasion.

 

[EastWest]

According to Pakistanis Afghans love these ppl..

and these.......

 

[53fd]

According to Pakistanis Afghans love these ppl..

and these.......

Wrong. The common Pakistani doesn't care what happens in Afghanistan (who comes into power), as long as Afghan terrorists do not cross the border & start blowing up places in Pakistan, or cause political/social unrest in FATA/KPK in the name of Pashtunistan.

 

[Evil Flare]

when foreign forces leave than ask this very same question from them ...

 

[53fd]

The fact that attacks have been made so easily & frequently in Kabul & near-by areas, on the US Embassy & the CIA compound, assassination of ex-President/President's brother/governor/high level officials clearly show how much support the current regime has in Afghanistan.

 

[tjpf]

Wrong. The common Pakistani doesn't care what happens in Afghanistan (who comes into power), as long as Afghan terrorists do not cross the border & start blowing up places in Pakistan, or cause political/social unrest in FATA/KPK in the name of Pashtunistan.

but common Indian wishes for peace in Afghanistan coz of mass human sufferings there and security reasons.

Guess its kaum's attitude huh!!!!

 

[Leviza]

I think we should not call it afghan gov, its mayor of kabul only